[*Trigger warning for Bosco – do not read, it will bring on strange palpitations]
It is now a century since the Blessed Virgin appeared in the Cova del Iria in Fatima, to three peasant children. She would appear to Lucia dos Santos and Jacinta and Francisco Marto four more times. On the last occasion, in October 1917, a huge crowd gathered to see her, as rumour had spread that a sign would be granted. It was. On that day ‘the sun danced’, or at least that was what onlookers reported – the sun seemed to move, come close to the earth – some even thought (as men and women will) that the end times had come. It had not. Within four years two of the little ‘seers’, Jacinta and Francisco, were dead; Lucia, who became a nun, lived on until 2005. Today, Pope Francis will canonise Jacinta and Francisco. What began as a small, local phenomenon, has become a global one.
Jesus himself lamented the tendency of mankind to demand signs, not least because it always needed more signs. The Church imposes no obligation upon us to believe the revelations of Fatima, although the canonisation of the little Seers is a clear statement of its view; we can choose to believe or not. Faith does not depend on signs, but the signs given at Fatima were the ones our age needed to hear. It is natural that our age should respond by shutting its eyes to them. “What”, it says, “a miraculous sign, well, we don’t believe in such things, we seek rational explanations”. But there is nothing rational about rejecting a priori miraculous events; Christian history is full of them, and our faith is founded on the greatest miracle of all – that God became man for our sakes, died on the Cross and was raised again on the third day. If we believe that, how can there be a problem with any other miracle?
Our Lady calls for repentance. Again, our age offers cheap forgiveness, so what need has it for repentance? The Church, like Christianity in general, has more or less topped talking about hell, and the way it emphasises that all can be forgiven, shades too readily into the message that all are forgiven. Our Lady of Fatima warns of the perils of hell. Our age has abolished hell and does not want to hear about it; yet another reason we prefer not to listen to the message of Fatima. She also calls for penance, something else with which our age is uncomfortable, so much so that it tends to find the self-mortification of the little seers almost a form of child abuse. Then, of course, is the idea that God might send a war as punishment for the sins of the world. We have constructed a God outside of time and space, so the notion he intervenes, as he always has, is yet another reason we are uncomfortable with the message from Fatima.
Yet what, in any of it, is not there from the beginning? We are called to repentance and penance by a God who intervenes to save us from the fires of hell and who wants all souls led to heaven. That the mother of Our Saviour should exercise her maternal care for her children and seek to lead all souls to the path that leads to her Son is, if one stops to pray, the most obvious thing in this world or the next. But the world does not want to believe in hell, so closes its ears. But the message from Our Lady through the little Seers is as relevant now as it ever has been.
As Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco did, so must we do. They listened, they did penance, they prayed the Rosary, and they spread the message that God wants to lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of his mercy. The message of Fatima is not one set apart for private revelation, it is the call our age needs to heed. For those who want to know more, there is a new book out by the estimable Professor Stephen Bullivant on the meaning of the Fatima Prayer – I recommend it highly.
O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of Thy mercy.
What could be more relevant to our age than these words> If we will not turn to Jesus and repent, then the path ahead of us is clear enough. That some men will focus upon ‘Diana worship’ when they should be focussing on their sins, says much for why we should heed the lessons of Fatima. St Francisco, St Jacinta, Blessed Sr Lucia, pray for us, Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.
I like this piece, and actually I think this topic offers a wonderful bridge between Catholics and Protestants and Orthodox, which is what Our Lady would want. She spoke to those who would listen, and this is in keeping with the point the author of Hebrews makes about God speaking in various ways and at various times. True, he contrasts that with the final revelation, Jesus Himself, but nothing said at Fatima is in contradiction to the Gospel of Christ – in fact, it is in keeping with it.
1) Hell – both Christ and Our Lady of Fatima warn that Hell awaits many, for which reason we should preach the Gospel to them that they might be saved.
2) Russia – both Christ and Our Lady oppose the persecution of the saints in Russia by the atheistic communists.
3) An attack on the Pope – whether this is Saint John Paul II or some other event, both Christ and Our Lady would want Christians to pray for the health of the Pope and that he should preach the Gospel as he ought: there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Loyalty to other gods will lead to Hell. Is there a risk of attack on the Papacy? Yes, always until Islam is finally vanquished.
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Thank you, Nicholas, I quite agree – if we listened more to her, should would bring us together yet, despite ourselves.
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Nicholas, you wrote, “I think this topic offers a wonderful bridge between Catholics and Protestants and Orthodox.” My hope is that this would not be. Many Protestants and Evangelicals do not want this and have nothing to do with the apparitions.
About the Book of Hebrews, you went only so far with the truth and then moved beyond it.
Hebrews 1:
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
As the Father commanded us we must obey:
Matthew 17:5 1599 Geneva Bible
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud shadowed them: and behold, there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is that my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear him.
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Jesus did not leave us without a guide. He founded a Church that is with us still. Do you believe he founded a Church, Maria?
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The Lord gave us His Holy Spirit to guide us. Yes, He built His Church and it is still with us. It is not the Church of Rome.
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Maria, I think such a statement requires an argument with some evidence, otherwise it remains an assertion without any evidence.
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I agree with you and will attempt to give a reason for the hope that is in me at my own blog.
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Thank you.
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A gigantic graven image of a female and thousands of devotees all around holding candles. Im 100% sure many of them are bowing down befor it.
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And not one of them worshipping her as an idol, Bosco.
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Relax, im not going to rain on your Mary Day festivities. I am curious. May I ask if there are any Jesus statues that get this kind of attention? And do the devotees come from all over the world to, uh, do what ever it is you do in front of them? And as for Mary adoration sessions which are held everywhere…are there any Jesus adoration events?
Thanks in advance
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There’s Eucharistic adoration, which has increased in popularity a great deal since Vatican 2 I think. The Eucharistic host gets a great deal more attention, the type of attention that only God receives (worship).
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Yes, if you look up Christ the Redeemer, Rio de Janeiro, of Christ the King, Poland, or Michaelangelo’s Christ in Rome, or even the Christ of the Ozarks.
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Thanks. I took a look at them. Do they draw the big crowds that Mary of Fatima does?
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They are far larger – and since you, as ever, judge by outward appearances, the answer would be that across the years they are seen by far more people. If you wish to insist that people worship statues, then you simply show why no one here takes you seriously. Everyone else knows no Christian worships statues – but sine you have no arguments left, the devil nails you to this one. He fools you, makes a mockery of you – wake up, smell the coffee, start thinking for yourself.
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Well, I feel no need to bow befor the works of my hands. Feel free to bow befor any graven images you choose. Don’t let me stop you.
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That’s a two fold accusation. I believe and state that none of the readers here worship statues willfully. I hereby do state that they unwillfully worship graven images simply because they bow befor them. its not my call…its gods call.Look at the subject matter of this post. its idolatry in the highest. No need to call me names. Call me some choice names after you get up from bowing befor the works of your hands.
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I refrained from ruining your Mary worship Day. Now its sunday. You Mary worshipers must feel like your on your way to heaven, on the back of Diana. Oooops, I mean Semiramis. Sorry. I get my Babylonian gods mixed up.
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Poor old Bosco – you are like a stuck record.
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Bosco, even by your low standards of logic, that is weird.
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I invited another Christian to come in here and help me. They refused to come in this cesspool
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If they are as ignorant as you, good. Honestly Bosco, your arguments have been defeated again and again, and all you now do is repeat them like a parrot.
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Christians don’t have time for graven image costume holyman believing folks. But there are ministries that target false religions. I happen to be called into such a ministry.
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What would you know about Christians, you aren’t one. You are in a ministry of a false religion, and you are a most laughable missionary. Honestly, Bosco, you chose a clown rightly – you make a fool of yourself, not for Christ, but for the father of lies.
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You have learned from me for 5 yrs. I fully expect great things from you when you meet the Lord.
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Bosco, what I have learned is that however ignorant and bigoted anti-Catholics can be, there are no depths to which it will sink.
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Bosco, here to help against the darkness, to shine the light of God’s Word.
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Bosco has been here five years and has simply caused confusion because he is confused.
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Im the only one in here who speaks for Christ. Christians want no part of this sick sad religion. tell me…do you actually blame them?
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We are all Christians. You are the only one occupied by a spirit from the father of lies.
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Cathols do not consider themselves as Christian. The are catholic. Christians don’t bow themselves befor graven images or have a costume holyman cast.
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Christians don’t have a queen of heaven.
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Says who? From the earliest times Christians have seen Mary in this way.
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Read and be better informed:
In the New Testament, the title has several biblical sources. At the Annunciation, the archangel Gabriel announces that [Jesus] “… will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David. He will rule over the house of Jacob forever and his reign will be without end.”(Luke 1:32) The biblical precedent in ancient Israel is that the mother of the king becomes the queen mother. Mary’s queenship is a share in Jesus’ kingship.
But no doubt you deny Jesus in King, and no doubt you had no idea what the OT says. Are you sure you are not a ‘bot’? You seem to have about 5 stock phrases and zero knowledge of the context of Scripture. I think I may put your embarrassing piece up later – might as well, since you expose yourself to ridicule daily.
How can anyone be quite as ignorant as you are? It is quite astonishing. The US education system must be badly broken to turn out such a philistine.
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Ive heard of this queen mother stuff, from idolaters. I searched it in the OT. I didn’t find anything convincing as to a queen mother being a prefigure of a Mary queen of heaven. ive been in and out of bible school, sunday school, some call it. No queen mother ever mentioned in any bible story. No, not one. The stories that have queen mothers are bad. Queen mother is not a subject that has any bearing on any subject matter of any prophetic significance in the whole bible. You idolatrous cathols want to manufacture a queen of heaven because you hate god. God clearly hates a queen of heaven, so you cathols have a religion completely based and devoted to a queen of heaven. And you call someone like me a bad person because I speak out about it.
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The mother of the King was usually the Queen Mother. Since you are too lazy or stupid to do any work, read this from a non-Catholic source:
http://biblehub.com/topical/q/queen_mother.htm
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Thank you for that site. it says the same thing I said. Everyone has a mother. Even kings have a mother and love their mother, most of the time. The site you posted mentions the evil doing of some of the mothers of the kings. And it mentions that its a small subject and little written about it.
This isn’t what salvation is about. Its about one asking the Lord to show himself. If one has a queen of heaven to take care of this foe him, well then don’t worry….this qyeen will take care of everything. The guy I live with thinks Mary will make everything better when he dies.
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No, read it, it explains about the Queen Mother. No one but you says this is what salvation is about. As usual, you prefer the comments of other oddballs rather than Catholic teaching.
I am putting your nonsense up today, with a response from me – enjoy!
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One day you will be a greater Christian than me.
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Really? What is the source for this latest lie from your father? I challenge you to provide chapter and verse from a Catholic source for this lie. If you can’t, then you should admit you have told a lie and withdraw it. This is your challenge. Knowing the spirit which inspires you, you will wriggle and you will squirm, but you will not admit your lie.
You tell us all you believe the Bible. Kindly show me, from the NT, one example of a man who does what you do, which is proclaim a gospel on the basis of personal revelation with no connection with the Church. If you cant, then that is further evidence that whatever the spirit in you claims, it is not Holy.
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Good brother Paul. If im not mistaken, he went off for two yrs into the wilderness by himself to commune with Christ. he had no homosexual costume holymen to teach him anything. the holy ghost deals with the born again.
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He was healed in his sight by a member of the Church and later talked with the pillars of the Church. Have you done either?
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Paul was healed by the one who blinded him. The men, the saved, who were there were scared out of their minds at Paul. You call them catholics. The church. Call them what you like. You need to have happen to you what happened to good brother Paul. And until you do, you will stay on your knees befor a female deity.
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In the Bible I have it was Ananias, who, in my Bible, did not deprive him of his sight.
You need to leave the service of the father of lies Bosco.
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Kindly show me, from the NT, one example of a man who does what you do, which is proclaim a gospel on the basis of personal revelation with no connection with the Church.
No connection to the Church. I assume the Church you reference is the House on Haunted Hill. I cant show that. I can remind you that Jesus said that someone born again comes and goes and you do not know where he came from or where he went. The saved don’t have a flag or a jail or canon lawyers or a homosexual costume priestcraft or a cadre of rug munching lesbian nuns. None of which seems to bother the average Mary worshiper. Religion is so distasteful that I cant even get a fellow pilgrim to come in here.
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Let us see,. St Paul, he goes to see a follower of Jesus to get his sight back, and later sees Peter and the other pillars of the Church. All the converts join a church founded by Jesus and run by the Apostles. Not once in Acts do we see a weirdo turn up saying “I have a new spirit in me and you lot are all wrong”. We do, in John’s epistles, come across people telling the Apostle they knew better than he did about what Jesus meant. They are the anti-Christs.
You cannot show me an example of ‘the saved’ in Scripture behaving as you do. You are unscriptural.
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That’s because no one in scripture behaves as badly as I do.
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Look up Diotrophes.
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challenge you to provide chapter and verse from a Catholic source for this lie.
Is this lie the statement that catholics aren’t Christians? Comments get separated and I don’t know what the subject matter is.
A champion of Catholicism named Bennidict Carter said many time catholics aren’t Christian and that they will become Christian when the get to heaven. But while on earth they are catholics. Some catholic literature supports this. But seeing as how Catholicism is false and nothinh but air, no two cathols agree on anything except that they need graven images.
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So, your source for a claim that Catholics are not Christians is Ben Carter? Really? You’ve made my day, that’s a hoot.
“Some catholic literature supports this” – does it, really, go on cite it. If you can’t, apologise for lying.
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Good brother Servus has so much cathol literature that his wife has to step in and manage it so as not to fill the house to the rafters. Ive seen it. But I cant find it again because it was yrs ago. Think for a min…..something I have to ask you to do. What do you call yourself? What do you call your religion? What do you call your literature? What do you call your meetings? Yoou call them catholic.
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I am a Christian. I am a Catholic. You have no source for your allegation, and you lack the guts to apologise. I thought you were more honourable than that.
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talked with the pillars of the Church. Have you done either?
It is a pillar of the church you are now conversing with.
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Yes. You are not a part of Christ’s Church – except in your own imagination. I have talked with many successors of the Apostles – and I can tell you are not one of them.
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Hi, chalcedon451. This blog is new to me but the Catholic Faith is not. My family and extended family are Catholic and a few are Orthodox. My education was Catholic. In 1979 the Lord Jesus Christ saved me from my sins through a home Bible study on the Book of Ephesians. He does not need the mediation of a creature, His Mother, but is the only Mediator between God and man. This apparition cannot be Mary.
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Maria, I appreciate your comment, but don’t quite see why the Lady seen by the children could not be Our Lady.
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chalcedon451, Mary would not encourage anyone to offer prayer to herself, for example through the rosary. The Lord taught His disciples to pray to the Father. We need to listen to Him and must test the spirits to see if they are from God.
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We pray through her to her Son, and why would a mother not encourage that?
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It is necessary to do as Jesus said.
John 16
23 In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. 24 Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full.
25 “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father.
chalcedon451, we must not go beyond what the Lord Jesus commanded and prophesied about prayer.
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All prayers are to God, and just as we ask our friends to pray for us, so we can ask the Mother of God to pray for us to the Father. Jesus did not forbid us to ask friends to pray for us.
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chalcedon451, usually I try to quote God’s Word, but I have a question from logic. How can Mary the Mother of Jesus hear millions of prayers, and all at once and every day? This is beyond human ability and cannot be compared to someone requesting a friend to pray for them. I point you once again to the Lord’s instructions (doctrine) on prayer. Also, when people ask a friend to pray we don’t use empty repetition as Catholics do with the rosary.
You must see that these things are true!
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Do you suppose that once we are in the presence of God and sactified we retain our human frailties? I am puzzled that you think the Rosary is empty repetition. It is entirely scriptural in its basis and those of us who pray it find it helps us focus on the scriptural passages which support it. I would ask whether you have prayed it or known those who have, because it is empty repetition is contrary to my experience and those of many I know.
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chalcedon451,
My Mother raised me as a Catholic and I was educated in Catholic schools, so I’ve prayed the rosary many times. As I remember, we meditated on various mysteries of the faith while repeating the Our Father, Act of Contrition, Hail Mary, and Glory Be; the greater proportion of them were Hail Mary’s 10 at a time, all addressed to Mary repetitiously. Though Mary is now in Heaven, this does not mean that, now that she is completely sanctified, that she shares in God’s incommunicable attribute of omniscience – knowing all the prayers addressed to her. No human being shares in His incommunicable attribute. They belong only to Him.
Saying the rosary used to comfort me but the rosary cannot be Scriptural when it contradicts Christ’s teachings on prayer, so I will not pray it.
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Thank you Maria. I don’t understand how anyone not completely sanctified can be in Heaven, surely we are told that nothing that is not perfectly holy can be in God’s presence? Jesus was referring to the sorts of prayer the pagans of his day practised. As you have admitted here, the Rosary is an aid to meditating on the mysteries of the Faith; it is hard to see what is wrong with that.
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chalcedon451, about Mary, I simply said that Mary does not have the attribute of omniscience which is God’s alone, so she cannot hear countless prayers. Somehow you are misunderstanding me to mean that she is not fully sanctified which I don’t mean. As a student of theology, you must understand that God has incommunicable and communicable attributes.
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Maria, we do not know what it means to be one with God, so it seems to me fruitless to debate something to which we cannot know the answer.
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Okay, chalcedon451.
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