Go to any Roman Catholic, Anglo Catholic or Orthodox Mass today and the chances are you will see very few women wearing any kind of head covering, let alone the mantilla or chapel veil. It would seem this ancient and reverent custom is now so counter-cultural and viewed by some as discriminatory, that it has fallen well and truly off the sacramental radar.
Over the centuries women have worn mantillas when going to Mass, when in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament and when meeting his Holiness, the Pope. Wearing a mantilla or chapel veil has been a common practice amongst faithful women across the churches, with this custom most commonly practiced in the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches. Traditonally married women or widows wore black veils, while white veils were worn by young girls or unmarried women.
The practice of women covering their heads when in the presence of God has been well documented since the time of the early Christians. For centuries women followed this custom as a sign of humility and reverence but often also to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is always portrayed with a veil and is the archetype of purity and humility. Historically, a woman’s long hair was considered to be a thing of beauty and so by covering her head, the woman was seen to be covering her own beauty, so that the true glory may be given to God instead.
Women were also viewed as being a life-giving vessel with Our Blessed Lady being the most precious vessel of all, the one in which Jesus Christ was carried. In the same way, the chalice holding the blood of Christ, the very essence of Life, is veiled until the Preparation of the Gifts, and the tabernacle veiled between Masses. Unfortunately with the decline in religious teaching of any kind, understanding of this symbolism is completely lost on most people.
Before Vatican 11 women in the Catholic church were required to veil when attending Mass as a symbol of their modesty and humility before God. Latterly, the practice of veiling has declined as has wearing a hat or even a scarf. It would seem in the 21st century that head wear of any description has finally been thrown out as ‘old hat,’ and as it no longer forms part of canon law, is not really encouraged. Consequently as the practice of veiling has become redundant, most people have little understanding of it and therefore no interest.
Ask your average church-goer why women used to wear mantillas and you will generally be met with blank faces. It is also likely that people (more so perhaps in the Protestant churches) would not even know what a mantilla or chapel veil was, let alone what one looked like. Of those that do, some may view it as a discriminatory practice left over from the ancient church as a symbol of woman’s subservience to male ‘headship’. The progressive, modernist agenda has so muddied and influenced Christian practices that I would guess liberal christian women today would regard this practice as ‘repressive’ and a throw-back to misogynistic practices.
In St Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians (11:1-16) he declares that we must cover our heads because it is Sacred Tradition commanded by our Lord himself and entrusted to Paul. Sadly with the pressure of modern society and its secular values, many people have dropped what was once a beautiful and reverent custom and as many churches too have yielded to modern thinking, there is no longer a requirement to wear any type of head covering.
Yet I would say to those who still think that the veil is an outdated custom, remember that: “Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday and today, yes, and forever” (Heb. 13:8) Showing reverence and humility in the presence of God is not a practice applicable only to a particular period in time. It is for eternity, because He is the Alpha and the Omega – infinite.
So why do I veil? Well certainly not to make any kind of fashion statement as veiling today is probably considered completely ‘uncool’. I veil because I am in the presence of Almighty God, my Creator, my source of Life and my soul’s delight. I veil as an external manifestation of my belief that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist and I wish to show love, reverence and humility in his Holy presence. I veil because like the Angels I feel I should cover myself in the presence of the Holy One. I veil because I love Our Lord. I veil simply because I feel it matters.
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Well said Orthodoxgirl and a very relevant post in regards to what went wrong in the Church. I suppose that the surprise, if one is actually surprised, is how fast this fall from reverence to indifference occurred. It seems that along with a loss of genuflections when passing the tabernacle, the reception of the Lord while standing and in the hand, the unveiling of the tabernacle, the chucking of the mantilla, the use of extraordinary ministers to handle the Eucharist (negating the reason the priest’s hands have been consecrated), the commonness of handling consecrated linens or chalices or ciborium that this ‘updating’ of the Mass has actually been a project for the laity to lose belief in Transubstantiation. Reverence, dignity, decorum and plain decency and respect for others has been lost. Forget going to your parish early to say prayers of preparation or staying after the Mass to give further thanksgiving: the folks with laughing, joking and jabbering all around you. There is no moment of silence in most parishes and we have turned Mass into a type of worldly and banal experience where we are constantly doing something or hearing something . . . being entertained as it were. If one wanted to undo the teaching of the Real Presence I doubt even Satan could have come up with a better way of doing it.
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Thank you Servus Fidelis. It grieves me inside to see so little love or reverence shown to our beloved Jesus. Indeed I fear much of this is just down to lack of teaching and awareness rather than through deliberate intent. However, I do find it sad that Christ is so much of an ‘add-on’ in people’s lives, rather than at the centre of their being. Still, I don’t wish to judge others experience or demonstration of their faith. We are all pilgrims on our way home to Christ’s loving Kingdom. All I do is try to show others the lovely path shown to me and encourage them to follow. Throough my wearing a veil I have been able to answer questions about it and why I wear one; I have written about it in our Parish Magazine and two other ladies now wear one! Glory to God.
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We can only do what Christ gives us to do and it sounds like you’ve made some progress. We never know where our little bit fits in but in the big picture I suppose if enough did something we might regain the solemnity of the Mass to some degree. Thank for what you’ve done and I hope you write more here at AATW.
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Yeah, I’m Catholic and a woman and a widow. I veil. I have for a few years now. I chose black because I’m a widow. And I don’t do the Chapel Veil, but the Mantilla as the little round things remind me of doilies and the bigger the better for me cause I still haven’t mastered keeping the silly lace thingy from sliding all over my head during Mass and have to frequently adjust! Grrrrr……. Those little round things would simply disappear off my head in three minutes or less. God bless the Little Old Ladies League who’ve mastered the art of the Chapel Veil! I’ve had plenty of opportunities, unfortunately, to defend my choice to veil. When I came into the Church, I wasn’t aware I had a choice. It was never brought up, let alone discussed, in RCIA. Along with receiving Communion in the hand, it is one of the few choices I actually had that wasn’t ever given me to be made. I was simply instructed to “do as we do.” That was the correct way and if anything was said, it was the Church doesn’t do that any more and this is the new way and the correct way, period, end of discussion. Fast forward a few years and I found out I actually was supposed to be presented with all the options for me as a laywoman, which includes veiling for Mass and other sacred events and places, etc. I felt cheated and belittled because my mind was made up for me by those placed in authority over me. I now not only veil, but receive on the tongue and have made a few other changes regarding my personal piety since going thru RCIA. I don’t however use what a few people did as an excuse to fault the Church. The Church is the spotless Bride of the unblemished Lamb and such commits no sin. The sins belong to those who committed them and I will not allow their sins to create sins in my life. Nuff said. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Ginny, an interesting sentence here: “I don’t however use what a few people did as an excuse to fault the Church.” That sounds a bit overly pious.
It makes me wonder who you are describing when you say these ‘few people.’ Are you, as I suspect, speaking of the max exodus of the many priests, nuns and laity some 50 years ago? And do you somehow think they were merely looking for an ‘excuse’ to fault the Church? You make it sound like they hated the Church and were merely looking for an opportunity to head towards the door.
I would venture a guess that you might give another denomination more leniency than these Catholics who felt their Solemn Mass was summarily ripped from their lives.
I think, for us converts who did not live through the upheaval, that we must be a bit more sensitive to what drove these people to leave and not jump to conclusions (without any understanding of the personal experience) that they were simply looking for an excuse to pack their bags. I have personal knowledge of a few and know their heartbreak and suffering . . . which was not addressed pastorally or any other way. Nothing could be further from he truth about those whom I knew. Most were good and decent faithful Catholics that experienced something that we scarcely could imagine.
But maybe I took your meaning wrong . . . 🙂
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Hello SF. My, my my. Have I struck a nerve? I take it you don’t approve of the practice of veiling for Mass? Oh dear. No, the “few people” I meant were exactly those I referenced – those responsible for my RCIA class. They misrepresented Church teaching to me to fit their personal agenda and made no bones about it either. I was blind to much of their meaning then simply because I was there to learn and had no clue. Now I do. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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I understood that my friend. That helps me understand better.
I guess I’m still a bit confused as to who those are that use bad teachers or bad teaching as an excuse to leave the Church though. Did you have some RCIA candidates that quit over it?
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Actually one woman and her son got refused Sacraments, not because they were undeserving or wrong about teaching or not ready, but because they challenged the Sister running the class. She was a heretic. Probably still is. She got “retired” a few years later and one of the Priests involved was actually laicised. Gone, back to the Protestant denomination he “converted” from. Yeah it was rough. For this mom and her son seeking Sacraments, they were a reward Sister would give for compliance, not a God given treasure entrusted to humans to defend and preserve. I’m lucky. I was only threatened and thought it was a joke so I laughed. Because of my background she assumed I was a feminist. She was wrong, way wrong. But I survived it and learned much about making reparation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament at Adoration. I offered up quite a few hours at the local Adoration Chapel for them. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Quite a story and one that I can relate to in a few priests I met.
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Yes, I know what you mean about the little small round numbers! I wear a longer veil which I find more appropriate as an older woman and it is easier to keep on my head. Plus I can pull it close around my face to blot out any distractions around me such as people fidgeting or worse, chatting (?!). My veil keeps me focused on Jesus and on the beautiful words of the Mass and what is taking place on the holy altar. I am considering buying a blue one in honour of Old Lady for the happy month of May!
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Hey, you have a bigger problem than a rag on your head. A Mary graven image took a tumble. This is funny. You gotta see it.
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Your views both religious and comedic are warped.
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I am sure our new contributor will treat your comment, Bosco, with the consideration it deserves.
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Mary fell rite on top of the head of one of the idolaters. hahahahahahaha. Now that’s instant karma.
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Yes, we see in Scripture all the time that Jesus rejoiced in others being harmed and believed in karma (a Buddhist concept). And you wonder why so few of us is convinced by your story?
If you are what a ‘saved person’ is like, do you really suppose many would want to be ‘saved’ and spent eternity with you? Of all the odd things you believe, the idea that you are an attractive example of why to ‘get saved’ is by far the oddest.
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True, C, but then “The souls of the wicked desire evil; their neighbors find no mercy in their eyes.’__ Proverbs 21:10
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If we didn’t love him as Christians should, we’d be content to let him discredit himself. I don’t know he’ll thank us though.
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If he ever turns from his ways he will.
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Come on. Lighten up. Don’t you ever laugh?
Good brother Servus thinks im wicked. What do you think is going to happen to those idolaters?I might be a sad example of the saved. But everyone is allowed to have a personality. I see humor in things like a graven image falling on an idolaters head. Im not going to hell because of it. But he will if he doesn’t get away from that practice.
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No one said you were going to hell because of it. The addiction of telling lies might, however, contribute to that being your final destination.
Your witness to being ‘saved’ is a poor one Bosco. I can imagine no reason anyone would believe or follow your advice, not one.
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Are you laughing, mocking or scoffing, Bosco? Laughing usually happens when something is funny. The other two . . . have an evil source . . . are meant to injure, hurt or deride a person or their beliefs. Look into your heart and answer it truthfully.
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Jesus said he stands at the door. I just remind people of it. Im not asking anyone to follow me. And hey, I know a lot of people who think im funny. I guess you cathols are sensitive about your graven images. Must burn you up watching one fall and break in pieces. I couldn’t stop laughing.
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The problem, Bosco, is that no one reading anything you write could possibly be misled into seeing Jesus in any of it. You witness only to one thing – to stay away from your sort of false Jesus worship.
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You got me all wrong there. My master has a temper. One day he made a wip and layed it on a bunch of guys selling stuff in his temple. he even destroyed their tables. And he was quick to call someone a Viper. And he called all men Evil.
You think im bad. You would have loved him.
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Odd the way people who constantly insult others take this single example of Jesus using a whip and act as though it was a common occurrence.
Still, it is very hard for those who have no idea how to read the Bible to understand it. You read the words, you explain them away, but you don’t believe what Jesus says about the bread and wine being his body and blood. When you really receive him, and not just a mystic experience you mistook for him, you will realise – so we are patient with you.
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Problem is, you’re not Christ.
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I did ask for it. I did it just to shut the girl up so I could get out of there. So you can say I asked for it, but I didn’t think anything was gonna happen. Im glad as can be that it happened. It does take the fun out of riotous living that I was planning on having.
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What about those who keep asking and hear nothing? Are they numbered among the damned? If you dare tell me that everyone who asks gets what you got, I would have to say that was another lie.
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BTW Bosco, the experience of not being connected to this world – this ‘otherness’ that you felt is not unusual at all. I had my first experience of this as a young child, have had many experiences like it during my life and my son when about 10 put it in his own unique way. He said that he felt like he was living in a movie and that nothing was really what it seemed to be. It is a ‘mystical’ experience of sorts to be sure. Only one can use it to be led on the proper path or one can use it as Buddhists do to declare that the world is nothing but illusion or you can understand it that you have just been saved, or you can view it as most Christians would that you are being called to be in this world but not of this world. It is a natural state God placed in our nature to open our minds to another more permanent state of being. You went your own way and I and many others went the way that most Christians go.
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Am I scoffing or laughing. Im laughing. Don’t these people read the OT? It tells how idolaters put the idol an their shoulders and carry it because it cant walk. What are they thinking? So you say im not saved. Look at your religion. God hates images.
And if people ask to get born again and nothing happens, keep asking.
I don’t call this going my way. My eyes were opend. The unsaved see no problem with idolatery. Take it from me…if your eyes opend, yould never go into a temple where idolatery is King. Unless one is sightseeing in Europe or something. You would drop the religion thing. Yould have no need for it. You are with god himself. Its a war out there. Religions, TV, games, money, fame….they are all out to get you.
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God hates us to worship anyone but him. It is a mistake of, and a sign of, the unsaved not to realise this and to go for the superficial ‘God hates images’ as though he hates art gallerys. Those who think this are like ISIS – vandals who misuse the name of God. He will not be mocked, and those who mislead others and misread him will be thrown into the lake of fire. Better ask the Morms for some magic undies.
I see, as I thought, you have no answer to my question. You seem to think God operates in only one way – he is not you, you operate in only one way and mistake that for all God can do, Ye of such little faith that ye need construct God in your own image and then, ignoring the beam in your own eye, criticise the mote in other eyes.
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Oh, sorry. Did you ask me if god works only one way? Im going to say yes. hes the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Now, he will use people differently. The body has arms and legs and feet. not everyone is the foot. Even I have to get used to the saved having different temperaments. I get upset when one doesn’t share my absolute contempt for religions. Some are pre trib, some are post trib.We aren’t all robots.
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You misunderstand – but then you would, I fear. There’s no remedy for it.
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Bosco, I think you should veil for Mass. A nice bright green would look wonderful over your flaming orange hair! Or maybe neon blue to compliment your red nosey? Ever dress up as a lady clown or are to way way straight? God bless. Ginnyfree.
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You think the neon blue goes good with the nose?
Im not to straight to dress as a female clown. Im sort of secure in my maleness.
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Bosco, dear fellow. When I first started visiting this site I found the posts interesting, informative and educational. What I also enjoyed was the respect that fellow contributors showed to each other….then I came to yours. What am I to learn from you? Perhaps you would be happier on another site as most of the contributors here do not seem to be on your ‘wavelength’ so you are forever going to be at odds with the majority and fighting in the dark.
You can scoff and laugh at my post if you wish, but it’s hardly intelligent, interesting or enriching and does you no favours really.
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I didn’t make fun of your post. Let me tell you,….a scarf on the head is the last thing im going to worry myself over. I have nothing against your post.
What can you learn from me? You might not learn anything new, but my message is the same every time. jesus stands at the door and knocks. Open and he will come in and sup with you.
My other message is…come out of her(religions) lest ye partake in her sins.
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Uh, I do have another site I frequent
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Come in , sign in a become a member and find rest for your soul.
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Finally, we have a contributor who is deigning to teach Bosco a lesson! You rock, orthodoxgirl!
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Eat my shorts
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Good to have you with us, orthodoxgirl99 – and I hope this will be just the first of many posts.
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Thank you one and all. I look forward to sharing further thoughts with you and enjoy reading all your posts.
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Indeed it is good to have you with us. An excellent start!
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Jesus broke bread and said this is my body. I never said I had a problem with that. You can have communion at a pizza place or at home or walking down the street. I don’t believe one religion has cornerd the market on communion.
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If you only knew how you are mocking Christ who gave Himself to us as the True Manna and believed all that He said in John 6 about how one must eat His Body and drink His Blood then you might have great remorse and do penance for your blaspheming. But since you don’t, you won’t.
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Uh, I wasn’t aware I blasphemed. Isnt that saying that one is god? Like the CCs little christs and the Holy Father thing. I thought that was blasphemy. Calling ones self the Holy Father…that’s the height of blasphemy. of course you don’t think so. Theres that eye open thingy again.
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Mocking Christ, or mocking His gifts to us, such as the Holy Sacrament, or mocking people and things that have holy significance is blasphemy. It is of little consequence since you do not believe and therefore will not hear nor understand.
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Oh yeah. You know I don’t have any sympathy for objects such as statues and icons and what ever trinkets you guys love to wave around. God wants his people to worship in spirit and truth. You cant see or touch those, or eat it. idolaters want to see things.
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You don’t even understand the whole point of idolatry and the connection between the statues used by pagans and why God forbid it. In the first place God does not hold man into contempt because he takes stone or materials of this earth and fashions them into an image. He does care if that image is a false God that you are trying to please and worship. God would not care if you kneel or bow before a statue that represents our love for Him, the mother of His only begotten Son, or a saint that transformed himself into the likeness of His Son. The point of the piece of stone is simply symbolic of an unseen demonic pagan God . . . and therefore despicable to God. Do you think he holds in contempt those things that are representative of God’s finest creations: His Son, His Son’s Mother, His Saints and His Angels. What is behind the symbol, Bosco (but all you see is the symbol and not what it represents to us). For is re-presents all the glorious and wonderful graces that God and our Savior left for us and those magnificent works of grace who are now with Him in Heaven. You have no idea what it is God was upset with. As if a stone that was carved makes Him jealous. God gave us the artistry and the material. It is not the work He either loves or despises . . . it is the subject of that art that either loves or despises. A little bit of wisdom would do you good.
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You make it sound so believable. Youre good. Look at this for a moment. Nobody now a days thinks the statue is a god. Im pretty sure the almighty knows the difference between art and graven images. This is my beef, and im sure its gods too…..who is inspiring you if the statue doesn’t look like who the name tag says. We don’t know what Mary looked like. One gazes longingly at some nice pretty female statue with arms out, but its not Mary. I think its best not to have these mental images that inspire one to piety. God is invisible. And he was plain about not wanting people to see his form lest they corrupt themselves and make an image. When I was young, I would hear songs on the radio and I would imagine how the singer looked. I would get this image in my head. then, if I saw them on TV or somewhere, id be disappointed.
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You poor wretch. I always know when it is a depiction Mary or a Saint. Most saints and angels are also recognizable. How can you make word pictures of God, Bosco? How can an artist make a statue or a painting? By doing the best job you can to bring out certain attributes and the love of Almighty God. How can you represent love in words or anything else. If I were in your sorry condition I would not ever say a word as it is an affront to God because it represents a object other than Him and His True nature which is indescribable. So what do we do . . . nothing. How sad you are, poor wretch. I have thousands upon thousands of artists to represent small details in the life of Christ, the Angels the Saints, His Mother. They all lead one’s mind to God and to the Spiritual reality that we can but strive for in this temporal condition. So you do nothing to praise or honor and we try to keep adding to the mystery and unveiling untold mysteries that are never ending. At least we are getting a glimmer of what a life in Christ means and what the end for which we were made means. Heaven, and all its glory, is reflected and is beckoning our minds and our hearts to our heavenly home. You, sad as it is, have no home to long for.
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Im human. Some statues strike me as beautiful and majestic. Like the ones lining the Vatican and Michael Angelos works. I even paint oil on canvas. I promise I wont go around smashing your statues. Statues are one of the least of our worries. I bring them up because they are a large part of Catholicism. I understand that to be wickedness, but others don’t see a prob. The prob is being unsaved and dying that way. I really hate to think of people I know being in hell forever. that’s gotta be bad. have you ever tried to imagin what being in hell forever would be like? I do…all the time. I think about it every day. I see people everywhere and I think…these people are all going to wind up in hell. The most I can do is warn who I can.
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Do you have any idea how many books and sermons and meditations the Catholic Church has on the 4 last things Bosco? That would be about Death, Judgment, Heaven and Hell. Of course, we all have thought about it. I have been thinking about eternity and the consequences of death since I was old enough to reason for myself. I know you think that you are saved and that the rest of us are not. It is a pity to find one so sure of himself and his final perseverance in the faith when at one’s death many have either won or lost their salvation. You seemingly know what even the saints and the apostles did not dare to say . . . that there is no danger of losing my soul (or salvation). Satan loves such arrogance and pride and needs do little to tempt you beyond that. Best start thinking about your death and Judgment to go along with your thinking about hell.
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And you view of the wickedness of statuary that is to lead one’s mind to prayer, praise, adoration and love of God, I see as nihilism. You have made of God ‘nothingness.’ You praise God with words from the Bible translated in the tongue of men; man made language. That is idolatry. You listen to music and play music to reverence and praise God who cannot be expressed by music; that is idolatry. The think you still do not grasp is that everything in this created universe and everything that we make, see, or do is an expression of an idea. These are man-made ideas and are not worthy of God. Thereby, why even think of God or use a word to call Him by? You are a nihilist and are totally unaware of your position on this theologically or philosophically.
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You know what? If the CC didn’t like images and taught against them, you wouldn’t want them either. But since the CC loves them, you love them.
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We had their type within us once and thanks be to God we rescued the Church from their destructive hands. Tell me, since you haven’t, can people use words, poems, literature, music, art, and work to praise and reverence God or not? I know they can use it for evil but can they use for all sorts of purposes? Use your common sense, Bosco. Nothing is evil in itself it depends on their purpose and their intention and use. You simply want to make God a little god like the one’s God hated because they were nothing more than demons in hell. Had they actually not existed, he would have just scolded them for loving the work of their own hands and told them to worship the God that not only made the materials but the man and instilled them with the artistic talent to be used for themselves for evil or for good. So play the fool if you like but the logic is clear and your little god is bigger and more mature than that; at least I hope so. I certainly hope you god is my GOD that is AWESOME, and BEAUTIFUL and WITHOUT EQUAL. My God instilled qualities within us to help us live for good or evil worship and praise Him or ourselves or a demon. And He gave us FREEWILL the most awesome gift of all that we might choose how to use our lives and our talents in the way that we choose.
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catholics like you and good brother Chalcedon don’t really do the statue thing. You appreciate the beauty. That’s nice. You did admit it gets abused, especially in south America. Some of them think the statue has power. Even here in the US people come running to see Mary cry.
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Anybody that thinks that something resides inside the statue and leaves food and drink for whatever is believed to possess that statue is an idolator. I have never known anyone that believed or did such things and if they are known to the priest to do and believe such things they would be set straight in a heartbeat.
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Im sorry, but the saved know they are saved. theres no way not to know. That’s what religions are there for. To tell everyone in the pews that they are on their way to heaven. Even though every single one is gonna wind up in hell. jesus said that there are only a small number of people that will be saved. When he says small, he means small.
By the way, I forgot to mention the abuse that comes with paying heed to statues. I don’t have to remind you of all the moving and blinking and crying statues. Lots of catholics think the statue is really Mary or Jesus. This takes them out of the realm of just prayer aids. the statue comes alive. I don’t know if you think that this is from above, do you?
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It’s always a blessing to meet other veilers, orthodoxgirl and ginnyfree! I wear a brown mantilla a well that matches my hair. The color strikes a happy medium in that I am exercising our right to wear one if we want, but I do not wish to be overly distracting or ‘confrontational.’. Still, we are confrontational anyway, huh? Anyway, peace be with you and thanks for a great timely post as we go forward to Pentecost. Kassey
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Pentacost? You just finished with Lent.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.—–Almighty God
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When you veil, don’t worry what other people might ‘feel’ or ‘think’ because this is an action done for Our Lord and to follow the example of his beloved mother. That’s all that matters. So wear it joyfully! Mine smells of incense which is wonderful and an instant reminder of Church for me – wonderful!
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Hi Chalcedon I’ve enjoyed your post. Veiling is actually making a comeback all over the world. Look at the traditionalists, Latin Mass goers, and on a Sunday you may even spot 1-2 ladies wearing a mantilla at St Joe’s.
I was at St Patrick’s Soho the other week and spotted at least 12 women with their heads covered with different fabrics.. Some with scarves, shawls and others, veils.
I think in the not too distant furture, wearing the veil will be all the rage again…….hopefully for the right reasons.
In Christ
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Hello 1catholicslamon. Thanks for your input. As for a “right” reason, I have several. Here is “right” reason # 1 – 1 Corinthians 11: 3 – 12 3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head. 5 But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil. 7 A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 nor was man created for woman, but woman for man; 10 for this reason a woman should have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Woman is not independent of man or man of woman in the Lord. 12 For just as woman came from man, so man is born of woman; but all things are from God. http://usccb.org/bible/1corinthians/11#54011003-2
And here is “right” reason #2 Women have done this very thing for two thousand years of Church history and only recent developments in Western culture has changed this practice. Those women who did veil for two thousand years weren’t all wrong to do so.
Want a right reason # 3? Take a look at an image of Our Lady of Fatima and notice the length of her veil. Now, if she is in Heaven and veiled, is this not an example for the rest of us to follow? Following her IS following Him. God bless. Ginnyfree
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Hi ginnyfree. perhaps I should’ve stated that I agree with the practise of wearing a veil, because of the fact that it is a sign of respect for our Lord. Perhaps the misinterpretation of Vatican II is to blame for the demise of the veil in the West? I am not a wearer as yet, but I am certainly edging ever closer in said direction.
I am not familiar with the above quote from Corinthians . Good to know it is there. If I were to have come across it in the Bible though I would’ve surmised that it was a cultural tradition, not Church Tradition. I don’t know of Church teaching (after 50 yrs of Catholicism) that is explicit in it’s direction to wear a veil. Perhaps you could enlighten me on this. Certainly when I was a child in the 70’s, my grandmother wore a veil to church, but I was never instructed or taught about it. I am the product of Catholic teaching in the 70’s and 80’s.
Maybe this explains it.
The New Evangelisation is the way to go methinks. Re-evangelising (catechising) Catholics about the true presence of our Lord and God in the Eucharist. I was the first in the parish to start kneeling to receive Communion, and although there are some other parishioners who kneel in reverence to our Lord, there is probably about 15 who do. This is after three years of having the Altar rails were replaced for this reason. Lots more education. In fact, this blog and the discussion around it has tipped me further ‘over the edge’. I ‘m going to take the plunge, and share my respect for our Lord. Maybe others will think I’ve lost the plot, but that’s ok too. There is one other parishioner who has worn the veil. One only , out of a parish of 1000!! Great discussion , thanks Chalcedon.
In Christ.
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Hello 1catholicsalmon. You’re bringing quite a few different issues into the discussion of veiling. I’ll stick to the veiling issue. Here is something that may help. It is from a site called Fisheaters which pretty much gives a clue about their practices regarding Catholicism. It is part of a longer article which you may like and can read if you follow the link. I wouldn’t mind talking this particular issue up here at AATWT as it is something I’ve come to in my journey of faith. I’ve been a Catholic for nearly 20 years but have only veiled for about 10 of those years. Piety can happen and is born properly from our love for God and a desire to please Him. Here is the part of the article that may help you understand more regarding the laws and traditions of the Church.
“For 2,000 years, Catholic women have veiled themselves before entering a church or any time they are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament (e.g., during sick calls). It was written into the 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1262, that women must cover their heads — “especially when they approach the holy table” (“mulieres autem, capite cooperto et modeste vestitae, maxime cum ad mensam Dominicam accedunt”) — but during the Second Vatican Council, Bugnini (the same Freemason who designed the Novus Ordo Mass) was asked by journalists if women would still have to cover their heads. His reply, perhaps innocently enough, was that the issue was not being discussed. The journalists (as journalists are wont to do with Church teaching) took his answer as a “no,” and printed their misinformation in newspapers all over the world. 1 Since then, many, if not most, Catholic women have lost the tradition.
After so many years of many women forgetting or positively repudiating the veil, clerics, not wanting to be confrontational or upset radical feminists, pretended the issue didn’t exist. When the 1983 Code of Canon Law was produced, veiling was simply not mentioned (not abrogated, mind you, but simply not mentioned). However, Canons 20-21 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law make clear that later Canon Law abrogates earlier Canon Law only when this is made explicit and that, in cases of doubt, the revocation of earlier law is not to be presumed; quite the opposite:
Canon 20 A later law abrogates or derogates from an earlier law, if it expressly so states, or if it is directly contrary to that law, or if it integrally reorders the whole subject matter of the earlier law. A universal law, however, does not derogate from a particular or from a special law, unless the law expressly provides otherwise.
Canon 21 In doubt, the revocation of a previous law is not presumed; rather, later laws are to be related to earlier ones and, as far as possible, harmonized with them.
Canons 27 and 28 add to the argument:
Canon 27 Custom is the best interpreter of laws.
Canon 28 Without prejudice to the provisions of can. 5, a custom, whether contrary to or apart from the law, is revoked by a contrary custom or law. But unless the law makes express mention of them, it does not revoke centennial or immemorial customs, nor does a universal law revoke particular customs. 2
Christian veiling is a very serious matter, one that concerns two millennia of Church Tradition — which extends back to Old Testament tradition and to New Testament admonitions.” https://www.fisheaters.com/theveil.html
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Wow….this gives it a totally different slant indeed. Thank you.
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For all who may be interested, here is a place you can obtain all you desire in a veil. God bless. Ginnyfree.
http://www.silverhilltreasures.com/
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Here is another site which may be of interest as well as far as veils are concerned… http://www.VeilsbyLily.com
These are really beautiful and I am considering buying a blue one for May in honour of Our Blessed Lady.
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