There are those who would draw a distinction between being a Christian and being religious. I think our friend Bosco is one such to judge from the comments he sometimes makes. As I understand it, they see religion as a set of codes designed to control people’s’ behaviour, and Christianity as something else – a personal encounter with Christ; what I don’t understand is the distinction. We do not encounter Christ in some historical and personal vacuum. The Bible itself is not simply the product of the Holy Spirit guiding the Evangelists, it is the product of an historical process, and we can trace pretty accurately the way in which it came to have the form most of us receive it in today. To be ignorant of that is to be ignorant of what, for Protestants, is the critical part of our faith; how can we really think that we have the knowledge to understand the whole of Scripture by our own efforts? Those who claim the Spirit inspires their understanding have a problem if that understanding is not that held by others who make the same claim. By all means, in this relativistic world, claim your ‘facts’ are preferable to my ‘facts’, but outside this world, some facts are just that – facts. Neither you, myself, nor anyone else we know encountered Jesus without knowing something about him, and if we know anything about him, we know something, even if it is something we dislike, about Christianity. It is typical of contemporary man to think he need know nothing about the past.
Are some Christians, as Jessica wrote last week, too judgmental? Yes, of course they are. Jesus knew better than anyone the way this temptation is one to which religious people can succumb. Historically, Christianity has always recognised this tendency, and ever and anon in its history, there have arisen movements to revolt against it – whether early monasticism, the Friars, the Lollards, the Reformation, the Jesuits, Baptists and so on and so forth, Christianity has evinced an ability to remind itself of its roots in repentance and amendment of life. We can, as modern man likes to, pretend that we are the first set of people to act in this way and to recognise that elements in the mainstream church or churches have become soft, complacent and lacking in vigour and evangelising zeal – but no one familiar with St Anthony, St Francis, John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, John Calvin or John and Charles Wesley is going to fall for such a perversion of our history.
All these men have in common one thing, a zeal for the Lord and a sense that the church in their time needed a shake up; being full of sinners, the Church usually does need shaking up. But the other thing they all have in common is that in time the movements they helped start began to exhibit the same symptoms they once criticised. The same is true of more modern Christian movements. It is arrogant folly of anyone to imagine that they can claim exclusive and new revelation, and worse for them not to realise the temptations such an attitude gives rise to.
Wherever I disagree with my Catholic friends, or my Anglican ones, I agree with them on much more. We are untied in a faith in a Christ we all see as the Second Person of the Trinity, and whom we read not simply through our own personal encounter, but through the encounters of many who have walked this way before us. We can take that illiterate contemporary view that somehow we are uniquely qualified to know the revelation of Jesus – or we can have the modest humility to learn from our ancestors. Religion is simply derived from a Latin word meaning to bind – and if we are not binding ourselves to Christ, then we do not deserve to be with those who were first called Christians in Antioch when Peter was the elder there.
Nicely said! Im so glad we have the testimony of those perfectly imperfect believers before us!
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Thank you.
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Well said Geoff. God manifests His wisdom through the church (not just my church). Those who would let go of the church and move away from it for the sake of their own doctrines do so at their peril. We can agree to disagree but in the end we must all hold out Christ to a dying world together or we have failed.
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Thank you Joseph.
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“Those who would let go of the church and move away from it for the sake of their own doctrines do so at their peril”
Say, uh, which “church” are you taking about? Thanks in advance.
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The church that believes in the Nicene Creed.
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So, I guess this is “guess the riddle time”. I don’t know what the Nicean Creed is but im going to guess that the church that believes it is the Universal Catholic Church. Why? It just sounds like something they would do.
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Jesus is a man, and once you’ve been born again and know Him, you know a man. Jesus is not a religion. Hes a man. All the people who know Him know a man. They don’t have a group name or a flag or headquarters or a jail or a mafia ridden bank.
I know of no group of saints who have gathered and given themselves a name.
Jesus said of the born again….You do not know where they came from and you don’t know where they went.
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No, Jesus is man and is God, and if you are meeting with someone who is just a man, he isn’t, he’s satan’s agent.
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You just said Jesus is a man.
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susan Vaickauski, 69, a member of Northbrook’s Our Lady of the Brook since shortly after moving to the village in 1974, is scheduled to be ordained on June 11 by Roman Catholic Womenpriests.
Vaickauski said he plans to attend his wife’s services and continue to attend Mass at Our Lady of the Brook with his wife, even though she won’t be permitted to take communion.
Ronald Vaickauski, a retired electrical engineer and lifelong Catholic, said he fully supports his wife’s decision, even though he knows she will be excommunicated.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/northbrook/news/ct-nbs-ordination-tl-0609-20160607-story.html
I hope this isn’t the church youre talking about with the Nicean Creed and all that. A murderous sexually perverse cult from the beginning, now tells its flock that It can withhold communion from people. Jesus said that as oft as ye break bread, think of his broken body that was broken for our salvation. People really buy into this hoax? A bunch of homosexual pedophile greed mongers are going to bar someone from taking communion, especially when its not theirs to give? You mean to say that people go religion shopping and settle on this demonic snakepit? You’ve got to be s#@&ing me.
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And Paul said that if you received the body and blood of Jesus unworthily, you did so to your own destruction. When you learn to read the Bible as a whole in the spirit of Jesus, not looking to cherry pick verses to support the prejudices you brought to reading the Bible, you’ll do better lad, until then, the clown image will stick because it matches what you write.
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Im glad you said”unworthily”. That means doing the act in a unworthy manner. It doesn’t mean being unworthy. But do you think the catholic church can dictate terms of communion? Isnt that between a person and Jesus? I don’t think you do. I just think you criticize everything I say, no matter what.
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It means doing so in a state of mind where you are not worthy. You’ll see the Apostles set terms, and if you believe, as they do, that they have the successors of the Apostles, then it would follow they think they can.
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Yeah, they think they can. They think lots of stuff. If one calls murder and backstabbing and purchasing the chair of Peter succession.
God enlarged the borders of hell to take in all the ones fooled Into these devilish cults.
Mans probation is nearing and end.
Let he who is filthy remain filthy. .
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