Democracy, of all systems of government, rests most on the presumption of legitimacy. That is not to say that all governments do not so rest, but there is a crucial difference between the sort of legitimacy a Monarchy has and one a democratically elected leader has; although there is also a crucial similarity. Even a monarch who claimed to rule by divine right actually ruled only as long as his rule was tolerable. So, King John, like his Norman/Angevin predecessors, ruled by right of inheritance from William the Conqueror. In theory there were no limitations on his power; but the way he used that theory created the conditions in which such limitations were formulated and, ultimately, imposed upon him. This was done not by ‘the people’, but by the people who mattered – the nobles and the Church. None of John’s successors was able to turn the clock back. Where, in continental Europe, the fledgling parliaments of France and Spain were stifled, in England the attempt to do so led Charles I to his execution. Voltaire once defined Russian Tsarism as ‘autocracy modified by assassination’, and something similar, if less dramatic is true of all systems of government. If the governed find them intolerable, ways will be found to depose bad rulers.
In democracies legitimacy is assured through electoral processes. Those processes will throw up results that at least half the electorate will not have approved, either because some will have voted for the losing side, or others could not be bothered voting. This often leads to some bitterness and silliness. The whole ‘birther’ thing with Obama would be one example. But one never saw those pursing that line demonstrating in Washington, blacking access to the inauguration or calling for the results of the election to be cancelled, or for ‘direct action’ to thwart the outcome of the electoral process. For that, we had to wait for an educated liberal elite to lose the election to someone whose views they found so abhorrent that they took it upon themselves to advise the electorate that in view of their silly error, they, the elite, needed to set things right. Since it was, in part, this attitude which led to the result they deplore, this seems the sort of error you need to be extremely smart to commit.
It is very hard to see how, next time a liberal President is elected, his supporters can criticise their opponents for protesting. On a very basic level, Trump’s critics are giving their opponents a lesson in how, when their turn comes, they can stoke the fires of division. To respond, as I know some will do, with the retort that ‘Trump started it’ is, I fear, childish. If you consider yourself part of an elite so much better able to judge who should rule your country, you should demonstrate that by being smart enough to accept the democratic verdict and work in the usual manner to ensure your side does better next time. Both with Trump and with Brexit, the other side fought very poor campaigns and made their cases badly. It would, of course, take courage to admit that and it would take time and energy to ensure it doesn’t happen again – and my advice to those on the losing side (such as myself) would be to up their game and stop whining.
I’ve been on a lot of protests in my time and they always had a specific object ‘stop the war,’ ‘end apartheid,’ ‘free the Rochdale 8,’ whatever. Demonstrating against an election result seems objectiveless. How can you measure the success of your protest movement?
Once the new administration starts applying specific policies then it is legitimate to attempt to stop it from succeeding. If, however, you protest the mere fact of the administrations existence then the only possible object you can have is the revolutionary overthrow of the government and the constitution from which it derives its legitimacy. No doubt some ideological protesters intend just that. The majority though, I suspect, are guilty of fuzzy thinking and intend to achieve nothing more profound than the display of their personal virtue. In doing so, however, they may be unleashing forces they do not understand, cannot control and may one day come to regret.
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They are going to make it difficult for themselves to do what you describe. But then this seems to be about ‘feelings’ and nothing more.
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I think you give these folks far too much credit. What I see, is a band of Soros funded agitators and anarchists, joined with small self-defined ‘victim groups’ wanting nothing more than to frighten and scare ordinary citizens. They are cowards and bullies which is typical of bullies. No country needs or wants such citizens for they have no worth to a society at all. Peaceful speech and protest is welcome here no matter the unsoundness of their ideas. But as you so adeptly recognize these people only want instant gratification; to be on youtube, the news, to destroy, to vandalize, to beatup others, set things afire and cause riots. Let them rot in jail.
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And my advice for the winning side [such as myself] is that we must not fear the cries of those that will certainly call us the party of ‘no’ once again. We must move forward as history waits for no man. However, to build one’s house on the ‘quick sand’ that the progressives have left this world in would be a silly endeavor indeed. Therefore, first things first: de-establish the foundations of this elite world slowly but with purpose and replace the sand as you proceed with rock. Too much too soon and without a plan will bring the house down as will trying to build upon a shaky foundation such as that which Obama left us. That would be sheer madness. Doing too much too soon is almost as bad as doing nothing. Slow and steady wins the race.
I am not, of course, speaking of things which are in no ways part of the foundation . . . such as having an LGBT page or a Global Warming page on the Whitehouse website. Such nonsense has no place on the website of the people anyway. Let them speak of such things in their own forums. Likewise, immigration reform, untying the regulations that bind our economy, lowering the tax burden on the people and businesses, seeking better trade agreements and putting people to work can also be rather swift.
I do hope that Trump will have a great impact on this tumorous cancer that has developed in Washington over many, many years and brings us closer to what the founders had envisioned when they founded this country.
Color me hopeful.
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well, if he doesn’t, there will be all sorts of reckonings, so even those who hate him ought to hope he succeeds.
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Yes the anarchists and the professionally agitated are becoming a fixture in our world. We better enforce the laws when they begin beating people and destroying property rather than simply calling them out or slapping them on their wrists with a 2 day sentence in jail. This must stop . . . and the best cure I know is that they reap what they sew and learn that illegal actions have serious consequences.
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Correction: ” . . . reap what they sow . . .”
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Many agree with you, and many more of us are sympathetic. For the first time in American discourse have I heard the phrase, “a whiff of grapeshot”, and I admit I did not disagree.
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I think it a mistake to think that the noisy paid ones are anything but peripheral- not all, or perhaps hardly any, of the women marching in London are doing so for pay. If Conservatives fall into the trap of writing them off as ‘deplorables’ they will react as did those so slandered by HRC.
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Can you think of a conservative uprising off-hand in our times of any consequence? This is a standard liberal phenomenon; by the party of love, mercy and justice???? Standard operating procedure. The ‘buttercups’ as a South Carolina Biker called them, are simply weak minded folks who come unglued all the way to their core. I do wonder how they ever learned to tie their own shoes; perhaps by committee.
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Again, this is to do to them what HRC did to so many Trump supporters- it didn’t work for her and won’t for us.
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To call them out as the pathetic cry-babies they are is simply seeing them for who they are; the democratic congressmen who took their toys and went home, the hollywood parasites that think they are gods and godesses, the ‘want something for nothing’ crowd, and the folks who love to smear conservatives with their own sins. It is laughable to say the least to hear liberals to yell racist when they have exploited the poor, the blacks and the latinos to their advantage for votes and agitation purposes. They truly haven’t changed their stripes much from their southern democratic roots. Only now they use them for fodder and enrichment instead of slaves.
And no, you won’t hear this from the media or the political conservatives. But middle America is not blind. We’ve seen it for years and their playbook is getting worn rather thin. Most of us aren’t buying it anymore.
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Well, enjoy returning the contempt, but I see nothing Christian in it.
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Pointing out evil where it exists is not unChristian; far from it.
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True, but returning contempt for contempt is not part of the Lord’s teaching.
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Its not returning anything for anything. It is an evaluation of the methods and motives utilized by a group of malcontents; unlawful, ruthless, inhuman, disgraceful actions, supported, tolerated or explained away in some fictitious narrative to legitimize them. I am not speaking here of any others. Sypathizers to those who dislike the outcome of the presidential process and any lawful discourse concerning this is legitimate. I have, or thought I was, speaking of the prevailing liberal elite and their disdain for anything other than that which aggrandizes themselves and pushes forward their own agendas by whatever means they find useful. It is obvious that the means that they favor includes that which is not acceptable by anyone of good and proper intentions. Destroying property and attacking people both verbally and physically is evil. If you want to put these people in the same basket as those who disagreed with the Hillary/Obama progressives you haven’t been watching. The Tea Parties were peaceful, respectful and beatdowns were only done by those who went to protest the Tea Party folks. There is a truth to be noticed the obvious optics of the methodology and to the underlying humanity [or lack of] which cannot be dismissed.
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The danger was that, absent this sort of statement, it did look like an HRC style ‘deplorable’ comment. I doubt many of those destroying property are part of any sort of liberalism.
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Have you read any of the comments of some of the malcontented leaders of the liberal and progressive movement in the country lately? I’m not the type who reads such things and ignores it or glosses over the rable rousing efforts that are both overt and continually being orchestrated and carried out by the minions of these radicals.
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I don’t think that I could think that the tens of thousands of women marching are all just malcontents. Interesting though that the media’s version of women’s rights doesn’t include the right of female foetuses to have a life.
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Yes, and funny how all the pro-life women were disinvited. It is simply another optic to make it look like ALL women are in agreement with them. Good luck with that . . . the election proved that a large portion of the women’s vote went to Trump. Since they are women . . . I am not expecting violence . . . except to the babies in utero.
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I fairly obviously agree with you both. Very childish, as one can tell if one is forced to listen to them. Undoubtedly Trump will do thing protest-worthy as Obama did, indeed as all Presidents have done. Was it Lincoln who said, “You can’t please all the people all the time”? If not, he should have done.
I’d add that the inability to overturn King John’s failure, which may have cost King Charles I his head, but his success may well have lead to the Terror in England. And America, as always took its lesson from England, and thereby avoided much error.
Childish, yes, and perhaps paid for the first time in their life as well. Ultimately futile, as well. The whole phenomenon, both Trump and Brexit, is a reaction to the uncontrollable bureaucracy, and out of touch politicians that I spoke of yesterday. Two adages come to mind: What cannot be will not be, and Reality is real.
America and Britain have robust systems that with some nudging have usually been self-correcting, perhaps they still are, I’m inclined to think so.
I did support both Trump and Brexit, for the reason above, but with Trump especially, I was late to the party, he was about my 11th choice. Still, between him and Clinton, it was an easy decision, based on Churchill’s “Better to Jaw, Jaw, than to War, War”. Not sure what Clinton was trying to prove, but it would have had serious consequenses.
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I was late to the party as well but I’m not sure that another individual of the policial class could have shaken this country to the foundations [which was long overdue]. There was only 1 Reagan and he seemed to be the answer for his times. And like Trump or not I don’t think there was a better answer on offer . . . warts and all. His picks so far have been pretty good. As a Catholic I enjoyed watching John Kelly cross himself after he swore the oath of office yesterday. A nice touch that tells me that he takes a vow quite seriously.
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I agree. I missed Kelly doing that, but am not surprised. That was also the reason I was pleased with the number (and type) of military officers nominated. These are people that understand that men and women, real flesh and blood ones, may live or die depending on what they say, and how they say it. His picks have been uniformly good. Reagan comparisons do come to mind, and are apt. They are, I fear a bit premature, but perhaps not, Trump has advantages that Reagan didn’t. I’m quite encouraged, and whether I personally like the president (or my boss) is really quite irrelevant, the mission is the thing. His is defending the Constitution, and I wish him all success with it.
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As do I. I just noticed that Trump is signing an order to defund International Planned Parenthood tomorrow. Praise be to God!
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Huh! Doing what he said he would. What a concept! Indeed, praise be to God!
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Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead.
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Well, you Yankee sailor, you! 🙂
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I just appreciate David Farragut and other young men of his meddle. At half the age of these ‘buttercups’ who loot and pillage, he was an officer in the US Navy fighting for his country.
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Yes, no wonder the professional politicos dislike him. Where would they be if people started expecting that?
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Indeed !
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Out of office would seem to be the answer ☺️
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Indeed, that would seem a likely, and welcome, outcome. 🙂
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Praise be! Now that is a good sign.
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Indeed so. It gets me hopeful that going forward we may get a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade as well.
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Now that, alone, would make Trump’s election worth it.
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It would and may usher in a new era of God’s Grace on this fair land.
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More appropriate, legally, to return the problem to the states, where it should have stayed. But most of them would regulate it to death. Still a good outcome. And, we seem to have changed the moral climate, which is even more necessary.
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Good point. God is being spoken about publicly once again. One of the nominees of Trump wore a pair of socks with the virgin of Quadalupe embroidered on his socks. More prayers were said yesterday than in any other innauguration. All hopeful signs.
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Yep.
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I suspect if the Dems had run Joe Biden the result might have been different – but entitlement runs deep with HRC.
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You might be right, or for that matter Bernie Sanders. HRC lost even more than Trump won.
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Yes, the polls which said he was more unpopular than she was were not taken in the right States.
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They surely weren’t. I’m somewhat sympathetic to the pollsters, though. The methods used for communications have changed more in the last 10 years than in the previous 50, must be hard to get a good sample. The entrails of goats might be better at this point. But that county map is awfully red this time.
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Politics isn’t really my scene and I shy away from it. In any case as a pastor one ministers to folk from all shades of the political divide.As regards Mr Trump, we must give him the opportunity to prove himself and trust that he knows what he is about.
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Well said, Malcolm. Pretty much how I feel when you guys go deep into the weeds on theology. 🙂
But you’re right, we will simply have to wait, and hope, and trust, for now. And then we will see.
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What worries me is the violence because its mimetic. It will spread and gather momentum as opposed groups copy each other. Violence spreads and its those going around their legitimate business who will be injured and even killed.
Mr Trump doesn’t attract me as a man. I much prefer Obama because he’s a gentleman.
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That can be a problem, although usually the sight of an iron fist in a velvet glove does give it pause.
Trump is no gentleman, true. Sorry, but Obama was further, by far, from my definition of that rare article than even Trump is. Obama is simply a self-serving cad, always has been.
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I don’t agree with you Neo. That’s rubbish.
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That’s your privilege, Malcolm. I’ve listened to his tripe for a decade, and never heard anything but I, me, mine, and how wonderful I am. That is not my definition of a gentlemen.
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Something nice for out British friends, especially you C.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0a8c0510202b185b136eeed3401dae4e5e5a53dd/0_100_3500_2101/master/3500.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=118d6a04236082626f1db8911a8386b2
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I’d noticed winston was back – another racist, populist misogynist 🙂
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Indeed, he was all of that, and a great leader, Trump we’ll have to see. 🙂
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The basic problem and my hope for a Trump Presidency and for Brexit may be expressed most succinctly in this video:
[video src="http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/video/underground/trump-test.mp4" /]
As far as I know, nobody in the UK, the US or in most European countries asked for a New World Order. This was foisted on us by the elites.
That the European Union was sold as something which it was not, is of no consequence now. The people are waking up and see that it is nothing more than giving up their sovereignty to the elites all over the world; the New World Order is not popular, globalism is not popular and the people are speaking at last. Thanks be to God.
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That link didn’t come out well. Try this: https://youtu.be/X_xN0u2d7AI
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I’m a bit puzzled here. Quite clearly what the other Presidents were referring to was an new international order following the end of the Cold War, not some sort of international government.
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You still believe that? Most of us fell for it then but I woke up from that bit of misdirection many years ago.
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Yes, I’m unconvinced by the conspiracy theories.
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Indeed. Before President HW Bush mentioned it, it was a conspiracy theory. Now, we have seen the globalists at work in everything under the sun. So what was a conspiracy theory before has become a reality that we are now actively fighting against. Who do you think the ‘elites’ are?
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I think there is a big difference between global economic policy and a world government. The elites may subscribe to the same policies, but it is clear, for example from things like T-TIP that they are hardly in control of the process.
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It is not short term project C. They have time, money and technology on their side. When we lose all sovereignty then it will be too late . . . so does that mean that they are not setting the foundation stones for the likes of Soros, Obama, Clinton or Gore simply because the power is not yet complete?
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I don’t doubt men like Soros would like it, but I doubt they are able to do it
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Like he wasn’t able to break the Bank of England? 🙂
I’m sure it was only a conspiracy theory too. Just like it was a conspiracy theory that a man like Adolf Hitler could ever gain control of Germany. These things are always theories until someone puts plans in place to make it a reality. There are plenty of wacky ideas out there about being captured by aliens and such but this is not of that quality. It is simply a movement of people to create a world government that desire. These are the same people that love to speak about ‘choice’ as long as the choice is for a world that they envision and want. The sad part is that it isn’t a shared vision by everyone on the planet. We don’t want a world where there is no choices for our own way of life and our own freedom and liberty.
This is the oldest dream of despots on planet earth. The total conquest of the known world is not new and it is not dead as an ideal for the liberal progressive elites. Do you think they are less ambitious than say, Alexander the Great?
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I must have missed him breaking the B of E – or maybe he paid the entire British press not to report it. Sure, he made money from the Euro fiasco, but that’s what smart financiers do. He also lost a packet on Trump – which smart financiers also do.
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So you think shorting the British currency during a crisis is a ‘smart’ move and ethical? It may be legal but in the amount of money he invested in that changed the market all by his own doing. How much of the devaluing can he be liable for . . . nobody knows . . . but it was substantial.
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I never associated the word ethical with hedge funds 😏
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Good point. 🙂
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Also, don’t you think that T-TIP would pass if Obama had another 4 years in office?
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No, because Europe is going to agree
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Good luck with it then. I think they will find that the EU is beginning to unravel and that all bets are off on some free trade agreement that will bring prosperity to no one.
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We shall see. It will be an interesting set of elections, but I think the French system will ensure Le Pen can’t win. It is rigged, of course, but rigged in favour of the status quo.
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You mean what has become in recent history the status quo.
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Yes, the actual system for voting for the Presidency is rigged
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It doesn’t surprise me in the least . . . sort of like the way Obama was trying to open borders, releasing prisoners and/or allowing them to vote and to bring in refugees to add to the liberal constituency. Indeed that is one of the problems with authority. It is often corrupt and we know how in this country we have gerrymandered districts to obtain a predictable outcome and both sides do it. It’s good to be the king. 🙂
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Last year President Trump made this comment about Israel
“When I become president, the days of treating Israel like a second-class citizen will end on day one,” he said, to applause. “I will meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu immediately. I have known him for many years and we’ll be able to work closely together to help bring stability and peace to Israel and to the entire region.”
Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.720213
As a friend and supporter of Israel I shall be watching Trump very closely to see how he delivers. Anti-Jewish feeling is on the increase world wide. What will Trump do in America to halt this world wide rise in anti-Semitism.
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My one serious criticism of Obama was that he did nothing for Israel and only thought of the Palestinians. I don’t believe that a two state solution to Israel’s problems is the right one. It must be remembered that the Arab states wanted to push Israel into the sea.
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