Traditional Catholicism has now entered our vocabulary as a pejorative term used to describe radical, right wing, fundamentalist, rigid legalistic enforcers of doctrine and are, in essence, anti-Catholic in the sense that they have not followed the path or the way of the Novus Ordo Mass and the Ecumenical movement brought about by Vatican II. They are throwbacks to an era that nobody within the Church wants to return and therefore they are almost considered to be a heresy of sorts that denies that the Holy Spirit has led the Church to overturn the teachings of countless Popes, Saints, Theologians and in some instances the Scriptures themself not to mention all the warnings against Liberalism and Modernism which was beginning to infiltrate the Church from the ideas spawned by Protestantism, the Enlightenment and the French Revolution. (Read the following for more in-depth background: https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4261-breaking-the-oath-before-they-started-abusing-kids-they-were-abusing-god)
But why don’t these attacks ring an alarm bell in the minds of those who have seen this transformation take place? It is the same tactics used by the far left politicians and educators of the past 100 years who are redefining the meaning of words and want nothing to be written in stone. The Bible should then be looked at as malleable, doctrines should be changed, language changed, prayer changed, music and art changed, practices changed and all things old should give way to the new Church that is no longer at war with the World the Flesh or the Devil. We see it in the destruction of our laws and the way the left wants to destroy the Constitution and the Bill of Rights so why should we be scandalized or amazed at the recent changes these last 60 years or so?
To be a Traditional Catholic used to be a compliment as it indicated that one had an unfailing commitment to keep the Faith intact for all generations following as our forefathers did for our sakes. It was a badge of honor to follow the traditions and practices of our spiritual culture and to hopefully persevere in this Faith for the remainder of our days and pass it on unadulterated in both Teaching and Practice. Today it is as though 2000 years of Tradition has been turned on its head and rendered unthinkable, fossilized nonsense. If it is nonsense, then Christ was nonsense, as He Himself gave us much to think about concerning the future of the Church as did His Apostles: Matthew 16:18-19; Matthew 28:18-20; John 14:26; John 14:18.
And, of course, there is this warning that seems to have already been substantially fulfilled in our lives today:
“3 For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:
4 And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.” __ 2 Timothy 4:3-4 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
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And this is a characteristic of self-loathing; that one is in the political or national sense traitorous to their country, tribe, religion and therefore themselves. It is reminiscent of what Karl Marx and George Soros proved themselves to be: traitors to their own heritage. Both thought that the hierarchical natural state of God’s creation was not good enough and that they, being more just and merciful than God (whom neither believed in) could fashion a world that would be better simply because it would be in agreement to their own values (or lack thereof) and therefore Utopian . . . at least for themselves. It is high time that we ask ourselves the question of our times: “Have we essentially become like them, either in essence or in practice?”
My definition of a self-loathing Catholic is one who finds no incongruity between what they accept and don’t accept of Catholic Teaching; even if they vowed obedience to these things during their Confirmation, both in doctrine and practice. It is disingenuous to say the least, a mark on what could be called a person’s character (their word useless – having denied their own vows), and traitorous to Jesus Christ whom they claim to worship and the Church that is indefectible in its authoritative handing on to the Christian faith for all eternity: “18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” __ Matthew 16:18 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
This same mindset is the current worldly mindset that extends far beyond the Catholic Church. It is easily seen in the rewriting of word definitions and the pejorative meanings given to otherwise normal expressions, the rewriting of history and the subsequent self-loathing of Americans for America and Western Europeans for the Western European Culture which was largely shaped by Christianity. But the people let these go without so much as a whimper and many felt that their self-loathing actually came with a new-found freedom to live licentiously without guilt or shame for desires cooked up by the World the Flesh or the Devil. Satan, it seems has given this new expression of freedom to us that the world of true justice and true morality could not. We are excused not only by our neighbors and peers but also by our conscience . . . if we still have one.
The real wonder to me is why the total destruction of society and total ruin of civilization itself has not yet occurred; for we know how democratic socialism morphs into an oligarchical socialism and that branches of that type of socialism further morphs into Marxism, Communism and eventual Totalitarianism. But at the root there is also a type of anarchy also prevails amongst the masses. They are self-serving and they no longer have a spiritual Authority to which to answer to. Instead they have pledged their earthly allegiance to the despot or dictator in power. It is a temporal and short lived trade-off for licentiousness in the present to the true freedom, peace, love and security offered by God . . . Who has done all that He can do to gain our cooperation in our ultimate and eternal salvation.
A bird in the hand mentality and the convenience and affordability of a McDonald’s has distorted our sense of value. Our sovereignty and our only job in this life (the imitation and love of Christ and His Teachings) are squandered for a bowl of self-served, quick service convenient pottage. Esau would be proud to watch us sell our birthright for such a temporal and inferior price.
I suppose that is the question I wonder about most in this life: “Are we so short-sighted that we are willing to sell our Traditions, our Nations, our Religion, our Cultures and our eternal salvation for a wink and a nod for the countless sins we commit or are we going to turn to Christ once again and make an effort with the Grace of God to defeat or at least do battle with these enemies of our souls?” I don’t have a magic ball to tell me where the world is going in the future but I do know that each of us individually has a choice to make no matter what the world demands of us to believe or how many must die as martyrs to reclaim our souls from this fallen world of ours. Lets hope more and more people choose to amend their lives and sin no more, no matter the suffering or the short-term price.
Ironically, I believe that it is God acting through the people who will right the wrongs – but not in a way that many expect. We will not conquer the world: it takes the coming of Christ and the judgments of the Day of the LORD to subdue the Gentiles – in particular the Middle East, which has been a source of so much woe as well as the cradle of Christianity. The saints will participate in Christ’s rule and will break the nations with a rod of iron when they resist. Don’t want to send representatives to Jerusalem? Fine, no rain then. Look to how Elijah treated Ahab and Jezebel – and look what happened to her: dog food on the streets of Samaria.
No, we must not look for health in our institutions: they are rotten and must be purged. Not only is there bad practice, there is bad doctrine, in all its forms: morality, denying the resurrection, denying the Trinity, denying the return of Christ. You will find no comfort among the higher clerics. It was the people who voted for Trump and for Brexit and it is the people who will defeat the clerics. They will gather around God and His Christ, but in the square, not the Cathedral. When that day comes, I will join them.
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Not so sure Nick. Even though Trump won the election it took Trump to rally the people who are pretty much lethargic . . . and even then we won the delegate vote but lost the popular vote and went on to lose the midterms. So it is a victory of little substance but gives us some breathing room.
The same is happening in the churches; people are lethargic. They put up with what they get and believe each new pastor even if they are the exact opposite of the one before. Nobody it seems much cares about Tradition or Practice or Doctrine. The only thing they could rally behind was and is pedophilia. If it were about homosexuality (which is the larger issue) they would mostly side with the rest of the PC world . . . except for the Traditionalists who are reviled by both clergy and laity alike.
I don’t think the people will turn anything around . . . it takes a Trump or an Athanasius or a Jonah etc. Church these days seems to be about participation which is shorthand for staying busy; singing, clapping, hugging, talking and God forbid if we find ourselves in silence during our Worship (where our souls are in prayer with God). Its simply a choreographed dialogue Mass with banter between pastor and laity and the laity doing much of what was consigned to the consecrated priest (in the Catholic Church) which makes them all feel that there is nothing special about the ministerial priesthood and that it is essentially the same as the royal priesthood of the people; a grave mistake in my mind.
Somebody will be tasked by God (like an unwilling Jonah) to wake the people and the clergy up. Hopefully we will go through a sack cloth and ashes moment and return to our Home like the Prodigal Son. I think it will happen but in the meantime there will always be a Remnant Church even if Christ comes before we have a Jonah appear; after all, wasn’t Fatima enough for us? I guess it only takes a few generations for a whole world to slide back into their lethargic sleep and forget the warnings and the miracles that were wrought by God for our correction. Others will never be corrected but the majority are simply disinterested and are very much the sheep that follows wherever they are led . . . even into the mouths of wolves.
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Much of this analysis I actually agree with – it’s just that I believe God can change things and will because revival is coming, one unlike what we have seen before. I was pleased to see a ministry recently say something that I have been saying for some time: the world will get darker, but the remnant Church will get brighter. God is going to visit us to correct, rebuke, cleanse, heal, and empower. He is preparing Christians to receive the government when he takes it from the Gentiles. But the old church structures are not fit for purpose – there is too much doctrinal, moral, and political corruption amongst the clergy, particularly at higher levels that would correspond to senior management in secular organisations. Lots of the in name only Christians will be left behind, both now in the preparation phase and when Christ returns If some manage to repent after he comes, they will form the basis of the nations under the Millennial rule.
I believe a big part of the revival will be the coming of the Spirit of Holiness, which is a necessary precondition for anything else to be achieved, and that is what I detect in your own soul, which comes out in your writings. You have a deep longing for holiness, for people to recognise the difference between us and the Creator, to sincerely desire Him with a fiery zeal, and to have perspective. This Spirit of Holiness is going to burn us all: burn away our pride and deceit, bringing us to a place of stark choice, rather like the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and we are already seeing that sword of separation starting to cleave us now in the Traditionalist resistance, in the Brexit vote, and the ascendance of President Trump. We are seeing now who really holds the values we do, who actually stands on what side of the divide.
A parallel process in this mix is the rise and fall of ISIS, which showed people what Islam really is – of course, a lot of us knew that already before they rose in Iraq and Syria. Those who continue to peddle the lie are deluded; we can and must pray for them, but we must consider them enemies. Those who have accepted the truth, despite its pain, they are becoming part of the remnant, taking the Kingdom by force.
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Indeed we must pray for them. For many it was not and is not their fault: they suffer from invincible ignorance (the shepherd was struck and the sheep were scattered).
How can I, a convert, hold it against them. I had fallen from Christianity (protestant, non-denominational) because I never saw that Christianity was transformational to the individuals. My thinking was, that if Christ were true and we believed it, people would do all they could every moment of the day and night to radically alter their lives and to seek without care for the sufferings or ridicule that might be heaped upon them. I was therefore attracted by religions that had a monastic aspect to their faith; people who were ‘all in’ so to speak . . . not just those who cry “Lord, lord”. So I dabbled in Buddhist thought for some time until I me St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. They convinced me that this radical form of Christianity was alive and well in the Catholic faith. It is alive but as to it being well . . . some are and some are corrupt as can be. Can you imagine what St. Ignatius is now suffering as he watches his Jesuit order descend to where it is now.
I am looking for the resurgence of the First Principle and Foundation that Ignatius gave to his Order:
THIS WAS HIS FIRST PRINCIPLE AND FOUNDATION
God created human beings to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by doing this, to save their souls.
God created all other things on the face of the earth to help fulfill this purpose.
From this it follows that we are to use the things of this world only to the extent that they help us to this end, and we ought to rid ourselves of the things of this world to the extent that they get in the way of this end.
For this it is necessary to make ourselves indifferent to all created things as much as we are able, so that we do not necessarily want health rather than sickness, riches rather than poverty, honor rather than dishonor, a long rather than a short life, and so in all the rest, so that we ultimately desire and choose only what is most conducive for us to the end for which God created us.
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You have my sympathy – it must feel like torture at times to see the state of the liturgy, the homily, the use of money (what I wouldn’t give to have scrutiny of the accounts), and all the other troubles. Fundamentally our positions are different because I remain a non-denominational Christian: a lot of the liturgical things I admire, but they are contingent in their form in my perspective, not necessary. I have always had a puritanical spirit vs letter lens of analysis when it comes to these things. My desire for an old style Catholic liturgy is not an either/or but a both…and: I view it as one among various ways of offering worship to God. There are Protestant and Orthodox services that are brimming in sanctity because the congregation are all of that spirit. At a basic level, what stopped me in my tracks towards the Tiber in the summer was being reminded of the institutional aspect of Catholicism. I read a piece on Archbishop Cranmer’s blog and it spoke to me – it reminded me of my core beliefs and attitudes.
I also, like you, dislike false irenicism, and this is partly why I believe the unity we so desperately need can only be brought by the Spirit and only among the people – the clergy cannot and must not be trusted with it because they have shown themselves to be Esau-stewards, selling our orthodoxy and our liberty for bowls of pottage. I will not join any organisation that seeks to subvert my conscience – that is a malum per se. My conscience belongs to God and not to man, and that is where the C of E has gone terribly wrong in the provision for its flock as has the Catholic Church – both have trampled on groups within them: Anglo-Catholics, Evangelicals, Traditionalists.
The enemy is also trying to undo our work by misapplying Paul’s criticism of factionalism to us. True unity must not come at the expense of holiness, which means separation, not mingling. Nor must it come at the expense of orthodoxy, which is why I always refuse invitations to attend services at JW Kingdom Halls. I will not worship with people who deny the Trinity.
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I on the other hand find it unremarkable to find infiltration of Satan in the hierarchy and the Church: “Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” Seems to me that the more embattled a faith is the more likely that it is one that is targeted by our old foes; the world, the flesh and the devil.
Organizationally, I am of the opposite spectrum. I see hierarchy in everything within the universe that God has made. It is in our DNA and in our being made in the image and likeness of God. Everything is ordered to the highest and so it was not a shock that God set up a hierarchy within the OT church as did the Catholic Church as it developed; the same applies to all manner of things . . . business, organizations and countries. It is God’s way of ordering things and it should be ours as well. The trick is to not lord it over anyone or to be a joyful servant in our service to our betters . . . and too keep the wolves from taking over or hirelings infiltrating the rank of shepherd. But the hierarchy is necessary if there is going to be a settlement made (such as in ordinary law). For order to exist and for unity and peace to survive an authority must be established to settle what is in dispute. So I am happy to see that the Teachings of the faith have only developed organically and have never changed (though some today would like to do that). But I do think that the Holy Spirit will not allow that to happen as it has not happened in 2000 years and I know of no other organization that can say that. Moral laws have remained the same and therefore these seekers of novelties will fail as they always have.
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Oh I definitely agree with the principle of order (it would be odd for me to seek a career in law otherwise). I believe that Christ is Head of the Church and that He has appointed Apostles, etc. I consider that if I have any role in the Millennium I shall be subordinate to any number of Christians who have lived more righteously and wisely than I have to date. I simply feel that there is a risk of ossification when we let some of that get away from us. In the revival I expect there to be godly leaders who help to guide and serve the people – I just imagine that they will be Davids to the Establishment’s Sauls: people chosen by God who have not compromised.
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God has raised up such men who had remarkable success in righting what looked like a sinking Barque of Peter: St. Bernard of Clairveaux, St. Athanasius, St. Benedict etc. etc.
They have been sent, it seems, but there will be a day when God will tire of our short memories . . . so perhaps this is the last chapter but it is not for any of us to know. So I keep an eye open for the next Padre Pio to right the Barque which seems to be listing at the moment but it is not as if the Barque was never in need of repair in the past and that somebody was sent to patch the leaks.
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I do believe there will be a prominent person among the Catholics who champions orthodoxy and piety, who will also have a charism of spiritual perception. I also believe there are likely to be more vision of the Virgin Mary. Based on things she has said before and the Letters to the Seven Churches, I think it likely that there will be some stern things in such visions: “You have done X; repent and come back…” that sort of thing. I would also expect there to be angelic visitations as Canon Andrew White has witnessed in Iraq at the funerals of the martyrs.
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Yes the mercy of God has no bounds. He sends us warnings and corrections but we seem to have to suffer before we adhere to these signal graces sent from heaven. Even then there will be those who scoff. In or time the PC crowd is likely to be as stubborn as pharaoh was in dealing with Moses.
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The Book of Judges springs to mind: the vacillations, which also characterise our lives as individuals, not just as congregations, hence the call to be constant (St Paul’s “running the race”, Christ’s “not looking back”, Bunyan’s “constancy”). Do you know the hymn by Fr Willard F. Jabusch, “The King of Glory”, based on the Psalms and Palm Sunday? This is the vision I have of what the revival will be like: focussed on Christ returning and the true Church getting ready to open the gates to Him, just as the rebellious are holding out for a siege. I believe this coming revival will be based on the coming Millennium as a preparation for it, and a big part of the struggle for orthodoxy will be about the doctrine of Christ’s return. We are not Athanasius contending for true Trinitarianism, but nonetheless we are contending for orthodoxy.
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Orthodoxy would be enough for me . . . and I think for most of us. We just want our inheritance handed on unadulterated . . . not changeable as the weather.
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Indeed .V2 seems like a coup rather like the Arian emperors after Constantine.
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Yes it does. And this article explains rather well I think:
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4261-breaking-the-oath-before-they-started-abusing-kids-they-were-abusing-god
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In sad news, I’ve just seen on The Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro that the trans community is now coming after the Christian baker in Colorado who had the issue with gay cakes.
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No surprise there, is it?
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Two comments. The first is instructional. There is considerable debate about the correct use of commas. But, using none is not acceptable. The end of this sentence; the new Church that is no longer at war with the World the Flesh or the Devil. Should be; the new Church that is no longer at war with the World, the Flesh, or the Devil. 🙂
The second of my comments concerns your last paragraph. All I could think about when I read it was Bergoglio’s recent call for all his wayward priests to come forward. The answer to your paragraph may well be how many priests do so.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/francis-tells-perpetrator-priests-turn-yourselves-over-prepare-divine-justice
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If somebody has to ask or demand that they do this then it isn’t internal to their soul . . . and it will not work. The shame must be real.
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Then the Church doesn’t stand a chance at renewal.
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Not as long as Bergoglio is called Pope we won’t. But he too will see his days end.
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How come you didn’t correct your errors? That surely doesn’t have to be internal. 🙂
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Because what is done is done. It would be a waste of time.
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“18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” __ Matthew 16:18
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So you don’t believe Christ?
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I posted that to see if it would come thru. Lots of my comments don’t show up.
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God may be trying to tell you something.
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What came befor this well used one liner? Peter said Jesus was the son of god, the Christ. This is the Rock the church is built on, not a human. Well, enough of that.
Don’t worry about catholics leaving the CC. I run into hundreds who love it. I was rading some girls blog yesterday and she was saying how she loved the sights and sounds and tastes of the CC. Stained glass windows and incense and last but not least, the beautiful graven images.Yep, everything for the eyes and nothing for the soul.
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By the way, sorry for the loss of your friend. As we get older, friends and beloved movie stars and musicians pass away.I can only think of one friend who has died. He drank himself to death. I guess if I count John DC from Thompsons blog , that would make two.
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Thank you. As you age, your friends start to thin out and it reinforces the fact that this is a temporary existence on earth and that we live for something much more than our own desires, wants and perceived needs.
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You can’t stand to take Christ at His own word can you? He told Peter that he would not have known that was the Son of God, the Christ unless His Father revealed it to Him. And after this declaration of Truth by Peter, Christ founds His Church, builds it upon the primacy of Peter and completes the foundation with the other Apostles. He gives to Peter the Keys to bind and loose and later gives the Apostles a collective authority to do the same. He also gives them the ability to bind and loose sins on earth. If you want to make up your own meaning that is fine, Bosco, for that is what you have always done but the words of Christ stand as they are and they are direct not hidden in the smoke of Satan.
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Every Christian from Jesus time til now have been revealed that Jesus is Christ. That makes us fellow pilgrims, not lords over other men. You will never understand until you too are born again….meet Jesus. I believed all sorts of things befor I met the Lord. Doesn’t mean I was a bad person. Just means I was unsaved.
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Who is a lord over other men? Mostly politicians and the elites like Soros and company.
Are we the arbiters of our own salvation? Can I claim to have been saved when salvation is of God and He judges each soul at the personal judgement? So am I a prophet or a judge of myself?
Philippians 2:12 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
Psalm 2:11 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
11 Serve ye the Lord with fear: and rejoice unto him with trembling.
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Nothing wrong with having a taste for beauty; in fact a real human being should. It is one of God’s Divine Attributes and it draws many to Christ; for God is Beauty Itself. And far be it that an attribute of the Supreme Being keeps us from recognizing and worshipping God it is a powerful grace given to us to unite our souls with the Living God. It is no more useless or senseless than is Love, Justice, Mercy or any other Divine Attribute.
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Nothing wrong for a taste in beauty, if your an art critic. Isaiah thru god said that Christ would have no beauty that we should desire him. Guess what? Jesus got his earthly body from his mother, Mary. Inheritance it a B I tich. If your parents are ugly, you gonna be ugly. Get what im sayin? Mary must have been hurtin too. But you Mary worshipers make images of these sweet looking females. Makes it easier to worship a lie.
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An art critic? Are you nuts? They think the painting of a soup can is art or a Jackson Pollock painting is art. Beauty is something that is written into the fiber of all human beings. If you have no sense of beauty then you have no sense of God in your soul. Music, true beauty whether natural or created by the inspiration of God working through an artist draws men from the world to Himself. It should draw you to him and transport you like a vehicle from this fallen work-a-day world to the Artist of artists, to the God of gods.
Your explanation has no heart . . . you have a perverse sense that all art is of some sumptuous or beautiful face etc. Not all beautiful art that depicts the human form is like that at all. But it does show what the artist wants to depict: whether it is suffering of souls in hell or the beatitude of saints in heaven. If your heart is not move by music or art then you are far from knowing God who gives us these gifts to glorify Him and to draw us to Him. His fingerprints are throughout the beauty of the Cosmos and is we try to give back to God, via the grace that he gives to musicians and artists our finest gifts . . . that they do not return to Him void. His grace will always return to Him and point your heart and will toward the Beauty of God and our Heavenly Home. You seem to be a rather coarse or crass individual who needs their heart of stone melted by the love and the beauty that God might supply you. Pray that he gives you the grace to see Him in all of His aspects and let Him lead you instead of you trying to lead Him.
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