
Bolivian President Evo Morales (L) exchanges gifts with Pope Francis during a meeting at Quemado presidential palace in La Paz on July 8, 2015. Pope Francis, the first Latin American pontiff, arrived in Bolivia on the second leg of a three-nation tour of the continent’s poorest countries, where he has been acclaimed by huge crowds. AFP PHOTO/JUAN CARLOS USNAYO
“Three months ago, in a country, in a city, a mother wanted to baptize her newly born son, but she was married civilly to a divorced man. The priest said, ‘Yes, yes. Baptize the baby. But your husband is divorced, so he cannot be present at the ceremony.’ This is happening today. The Pharisees, or Doctors of the Law, are not people of the past, even today there are many of them. That is why we shepherds need prayers.”
Thus Pope Francis at Santa Marta last October.
As presented in the Gospels, the Pharisees were men who cared so much for the letter of the Law that the Spirit of it passed them by; one feels they were the spiritual predecessors of modern Health & Safety experts. Jesus was clear about the importance of not binding the people with extra burdens. Any priest who acted in the manner described by the Pope, should have recognised that his actions were not going to contribute to family stability, or even, perhaps, to the bringing of the cild to baptism. It is hard to know quite what the priest thought he was achieving.
In such circumstances, the ‘rigorism’ condemned by the Pope, seems to stand rightly condemned.
But then when, as last February, the Pope takes the line that rigorism includes priests who tell divorced people that they can remarry, he seems, to many of us, the ignore what the Lord Jesus says in Mark 10:1-12. To accuse any priest who upholds that teaching as a ‘Pharisee’ seems to take the word to that point of uselessness occupied by a word like ‘fascist;’ anyone of whom one disapproves, falls automatically into that category. It is a word for the polemicist, not the apologist.
No Catholic can cavalierly dismiss the insistence on dogma as pharisaism. The Laws of the Church derive from the teachings of Jesus. Yes, and of course, how easy it would have been to have been able to do as the original Pharisees could, and allow divorce on certain grounds; but Jesus was clear on this. We can, as many churches have, choose to caveat His words, and effectively allow divorce; but try as we might, we cannot pretend we are abiding by His words.
All of this is by way of prelude to Fr Thomas Weinandy’s thought-provoking article in In the National Catholic Register. A member of the Vatican’s International Theological Commission, Fr Weinandy spoke on the theme of the four marks of the Church: “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.” All of these were, he said, at risk, not least from the confusion created by the Holy See itself.
This is a theme we have considered here recently. There is certainly a place of robust discussion and deep questioning, and even for the sort of contrarianism which can make a seminar or lecture go with a swing, but it seems an unlikely role for the holder of the See of St Peter, not least in an age of instant communication. An septuagenarian who, by his own admission, does not read social media, may, perhaps, have an imperfect understanding of how his words are received by millions who do not spend their time in theological controversy. Fr Weinandy has a better understanding, and that gives him cause for concern.
In spite of all the controversy following Vatican II, there was never any doubt over where Blessed Paul VI, St John Paul II and Benedict XVI stood regarding the Church’s “doctrine, morals, and liturgical practice.” But, Fr Weinandy
“Such is not the case, in many significant ways, within the present pontificate of Pope Francis,” Father Weinandy continued. Praising the Pope for his personal holiness and his concern for the young and the marginalised, he goes on to observe:
that “at times” the Holy Father appears to identify himself “not as the promoter of unity but as the agent of division,” and that his desire to — in the Pope’s own words — “make a mess” in the belief that a greater unifying good will emerge, is a cause for great concern.
By doing nothing to calm the doctrinal division and moral discord within the Church caused by some of his own ambiguity, the Pope, Fr Weinandy suggests, may have transgressed has transgressed the foundational mark of the Church – “her oneness.”
It seems hard to counter Fr Weinandy’s thesis. Does that mark him out as a ‘rigorist’? Are there not, as suggested in the opening paragraphs, times when rigor is necessary? I would suggest that Fr Weinandy’s interesting lecture is read by all with a concern for these things. I would further suggest that attempts to write him off as a Pharisee miss the point. Dogma is dogma. doctrine is doctrine, and if one does not like them, then there are plenty of alternative ecclesial communities which will accommodate those of that point of view.
Thank you for this C. Fr. Weinandy made some great points. If anyone hasn’t read the full transcript they can read it here: http://www.catholicworldreport.com/2018/02/23/the-four-marks-of-the-church-the-contemporary-crisis-in-ecclesiology/
I would recommend it to one and all.
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Thank you Dave. I think it is the best thing I have read on the subject. I suspect it will be ignored in favour of more polemical stuff, which would be a shame
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Indeed, that has already been the case. I was so impressed by the article that I made a PDF of it and put in my websites PDF archive. I think it is that important.
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I agree.
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Chalcedon, your link to the Pope’s homily above reads “satan marta.” Um, can you fix it a bit. It is a typo that will most certainly give Bosco a good belly laugh, but it is a bit unsightly. Just sayin’…….God bless.
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“Pope Francis at Satan Marta last October.” oooops.
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Thank you, have changed it.
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Pope Francis is the Devil’s mouthpiece.
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Oh dear! Spit and vinegar! God bless.
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Are you saying that I already have spit and vinegar and that that is a bad thing, or are you encouraging me to get some, and that it is a good thing?
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Which ever way you wanna take it sweetie. Its how my mother-in-law described me – she said I’d matured, I’d be full of spit and vinegar. I think she proved to be right. It is a blessing and a curse. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Ok – just not an expression I’m familiar with.
I hope you are well.
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Quite well. Thanks for asking. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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BTW. how are you doing, besides Pope Francis that is. You aren’t calling him “Franken-Pope” are you? God bless. Ginnyfree.
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I am doing well, thank you.
The less said or thought about Pope Francis the better, I tend to think.
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I’m glad you well. It’s been a while.
Now, to the brass tacks. We need to talk, talk, talk about the doings and un-doings of Pope Francis. When he became Pope, I stated he’s no saint. He proves me righter nearly every day. He needs lots prayer and we need to be ready with solid answers for the confusions he words engender in others. Talking about all these issues is how they get resolved. Silence is not helpful I think. God bless. Ginnyfree
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Answer; he is a heretic, who should be deposed and condemned.
No one should listen to him, because he habitually makes an ass of himself.
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How is it that those who uphold the Lord’s teachings on marriage in passages such as Matthew 19 are called Pharisees? That ought not to be.
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Indeed, I agree
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“Dogma is dogma. doctrine is doctrine, and if one does not like them, then there are plenty of alternative ecclesial communities which will accommodate those of that point of view.”
Wow! Way to go C!
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Yes, that is how good brother Chalcedon does things. If your particular religion has lost its savor, try another flavor…as good brother Addam Ant would say. That would be good brother Chalcedons method….go religion shopping. He has no intentions of doing what Jesus said to do….Ye must be born again. I didn’t know about “born again” and if anyone asked,..i wasn’t interested. But good brother knows about it from me, and for years, so there is no excuse. The same goes for every reader of these pages. I am berated for alluding I am born again. Good brother doesn’t like it that some call themselves saved from the wrath. He wants everyone to be in a cult…and he wants them to be in his cult, because his cult claims to be the correct cult. Forget a relation with Christ. A mouth full of crackers is his idea of salvation.
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That last phrase is blasphemy, the rest is simply false.
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Well good sister everybody, call me out on anything I said. I can back up anything I say. Good brother Chalcedon has explained all this that I have said, only he uses different phrases. You must be new here. You want blasphemy? How about calling a mere mortal by gods holy name…The Holy Father. If hes the Holy father, why doesn’t he go around healing people in the name of Jesus? Peter did that, because he knew Jesus and was with him. You Holy Father don’t do nothing but talk. Oh, I almost forgot..he also is big on photo ops.
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Yo Bosco. I suppose your Calvary Chapel Pastor does work miracles. Water to wine every Thursday, the lepers are healed in the basement once a month after the sing-a-long and soup kitchen, raises the dead on a regular basis and can belittle most ignorant Catholics with his dazzling knowledge of Scriptures. I know one thing for certain – he’s very good and making the hearing deaf and seeing blind.
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What is it going to take before you finally decide to dust off your sandals in our general direction and clear off then, Bosco?
If you believe us to be swine, why do you persist in casting your “pearls” before us? Why don’t you just buzz off?
You enjoy ripping into your straw man of Catholicism. Bully for you. Go and do it for the benefit of your shaving mirror, and give us all a break.
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Obviously good brother Quiav the Great I don’t consider you all swine, or I wouldn’t cast my pearls befor you.
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You have been asked, repeatedly, to show where anyone in the Bible says ‘I am saved’ – when you can do that you will convince me you are not a cultist.
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As presented in the Gospels, the Pharisees were men who cared so much for the letter of the Law that the Spirit of it passed them by
That’s funny. You settled on a religion that needs canon lawyers.
The Laws of the Church derive from the teachings of Jesus.
The laws of your cult emanate from the pits of hell. Don’t blame them on my lord. His yoke is easy.
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Yo Bosco. One question and answer it honestly: How many pen names are you writing under these days? I found some posts out there in Catholic land that seemed an awful lot like you in writing “style” and so I’m just wondering where have you been venturing these days? God bless. Ginnyfree.
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What is the site name? I don’t go to many different sites, maybe 2 others besides this wonderful site. Ive been banned from them all. I used Bozo almost all the time because its easy to remember. if I use another name I always forget it. Anyway, there are lots of Boscos out there. other people who know the same Lord. We are like minded, unlike you unsaved folks.
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I can see why you catholics are in such a tizzy about your pope. Here is what catholics believe about their fearless leader;….
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The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”.
You people really believe this stuff? A sucker is born every minute.
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All churches have laws to govern themselves, and they need specialists to help them apply those laws consistently (ie, lawyers). Example: http://www.ccmercer.com/resources/calvary-by-laws/
I’m sure you’re not saying that it is somehow unChristian for CC to have those internal laws and regulations, and unChristian for CC to hire lawyers to help them interpret and apply those laws. Or are you?
Bosco is going to tell us what the Bible infallibly means, and tell us that having internal laws for self-governance, and people to specialize in the application of those laws, is somehow anti-Christian. You can’t see the difficulty there, Bosco, in insisting that YOU know the way, that YOU can interpret the Bible infallibly? If you reply by saying that you’re not interpreting infallibly, then why do you insist so strongly and self-assuredly that you are correct? Why the lack of humility in offering your views?
As far as yokes… the Catholic yoke is far lighter than the Protestant one. Here is what I mean: https://everybodysdaughter.wordpress.com/2016/09/22/another-thing-i-love-about-being-catholic/
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