As we come to the end of this short series on anti-Catholic polemic, coincidentally, a Twitter follower retweeted this post from 2014 on Dagon fish hats and other nonsense.
It reminded me of the enduring power of sensationalist writing, as well as of the enduring influence of anything which reinforces peoples’ prejudices. The original piece dated to January 2014, and despite reading it then, Bosco continues to tell us that ‘dagon fish hats’ are proof that the Catholic Church is really some sort of pagan Babylonizn cult. When challenged on his sources, Bosco says he’s never read Hislop and gets it all from archaeology. He cannot, of course, cite on reputable archaeological source, which is not surprising because there is not one. Hislop had a vivid imagination, and a detestation of the Catholic Church, not, of course, that he had any knowledge of it in real life. One example of the depth of his ignorance will do. He wrote that:
“In the Litany of the Mass, the worshippers are taught thus to pray:God Hidden, and my Saviour, have mercy upon us.” Whence can this invocation of the “God Hidden” have come, but from the ancient worship of Saturn, the “Hidden God”?
In the first place, no such words form part of any Mass. But, and here is how this whole thing works, Hislop had read (just like Bosco has read) the work of one William M’Gavin, another Scotsman with an anti-Papist bent who produced a series of tracts which had wide circulation in the virulently anti-Catholic atmosphere of early nineteenth century Scotland. Hislop, like Bosco and others, had read something somewhere which confirmed his prejudice; why sully the purity of pure ignorance by accessing some real facts.
The anti-Catholic has an implicit and firm faith in his prejudice. Generations of anti-Catholic propaganda have left a deep sediment of rubbish in which otherwise intelligent people can genuinely argue heatedly that fellow Christians are really worshipping ‘Semiramis’ and bowing to ‘idols’ as an act of worship. As with McGavin’s nonsense about the Mass, a few moments study could show them the error of their ways, but they do not want to be shown the error of their ways, theor prejudice comforts them, it stops them having to think about the reasons why some of us joined the Catholic Church; it stops them, dread horror, from having a real explanation as to why they do not join it.
Fulton Sheen was right when he commented that: ‘There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.’ Many, such as Bosco, do not even know where they got their prejudice from. They sometimes say they have it from ex-Catholics, not for a moment stopping to consider whether they would, for example, trust an ex-Republican to offer an accurate assessment of the Republican Party/ The modern dealer in this mind-rotting nonsense is Jack Chick, whose tracts are simple enough to be taken at one sitting by the simple-minded, and the credulous. He simple repeddles the bigotry of M’Gavin and Hislop. The whole thing is a circular operation.
Whose purpose does this serve? Lies are always at the service of the Father of Lies, who loves nothing better than to sow hatred and dissent among Christians. He has been doing it from the moment there were Christians, and he will continue to exploit our weakness until the Good Lord comes again. Heaven knows there are plenty of things to be said against the conduct of the Catholic Church down the years, as there are against any organisation run by members of a fallen race, without the need to resort to obvious twaddle. But if it is perfection we seek in a Church, then we shall have to await the Second Coming. We are sinners all, and that we do as well as we do is only because with God’s help we can fight the good fight and spread the good news.
It genuinely saddens me to see Christian men and women spreading lies that can so easily be seen to be lies by those lacking the need for confirmation bias. It is a sign that the Father of Lies can penetrate even the best defences. For those who continue to peddle this stuff, I pray; but I also ask them to do some serious thinking and praying of their own, because they are in a trap and suffering from a delusion.
I know that Hislop is a common surname but it would be perfect for one of Screwtape’s demonic colleagues. (Of course, the deeply anti-Catholic environment Lewis grew up in probably kept him out of the Church: hard to overcome.)
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Lies…Lies…its all Lies. We don’t wear fish hats…Its all Lies I tell you.
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Which bit of the carefully argued post are you disagreeing with?
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Carefully argued.
You carefully argue away Jesus bros and sis….you carefully argue away bowing befor the works of your hands…now you want to insult whats left of my intelligence by telling me that im not seeing what im seeing. Im not buying one gat danged word of it.
Sorry Charlie.
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No, I showed you with arguments and evidence that most Christians for most of history have not taken the view you take, and now I do the same with your nonsense about dagon fish hats. It is not my fault you lack the evidence to argue back. Denial is not an argument, it is evidence that you don’t have one.
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After all this time, you take his protestations seriously?
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I am always courteous.
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This is true, but we shouldn’t suffer fools.
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Occasionally the light goes through. He is deluded, but he stays here, which interests me and give the HS an opportunity 😊
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That’s fair!
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He thinks he’s here to convert us, what he has provided is an opportunity to debunk all the myths. If it is God’s will, more will happen.
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A dreamer.
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Denial. Deny what? You got a lot of careful explaining to do. There are tons of Babylonian mystery religion symbols all over the CC, not just the fish hats. You don’t have to explain anything to me, im not God. The symbols aren’t why people will wake up in hell. Its not being born again that dooms my brothers.
But in the meantime you try to convince yourself that this religion is gods true religion, replete with Babylonian pagan symbols galore. You don’t need to ask Jesus to come into youre life…the priest of Dagon will make sure youre good to go.
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This is precisely where you reliance on outdated scholarship sinks you. None of the things you call ‘Babylonian’ were in fact related to Babylon, and there is no connection with Catholicism. Still, Satan leads his imps where he wants them and blinds them to truth.
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None of this matters. Either one is born again or one isn’t.
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One either knows Jesus in the Church he founded, or one doesn’t.
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Jesus founded that church? So, where is jesus now? Why has his church sunk deep into vice and avarice? Are you saying Christ has butterfingers, or is hiding his eyes?
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His Church is not. There are bad people everywhere Bosco. By all means ignore all the good work the Church does, but don’t then claim that only the bad stuff counts.
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Jesus always said that good works gets one into heaven
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Since only you and a few believers in lies believe the Church teaches works-based salvation, you are talking to yourself.
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sow hatred and dissent among Christians.
Stop flattering yourself. Its not hatred to see that your costumed holymen wear a hat that looks like a fish head. Its just what it is. You make it seem like people who have eyes are wild eyed rabbid lunatics who have some phobia against the CC just because of nothing. I guess that keeps you from waking up screaming in the nite.
Oh, they just hate the CC, that’s why they say all those hurtful things.
No…we have eyes…we can see.
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Just examine your language, and you will see where the hatred is.
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Sorry my brother, I don’t hate the CC. The CC only exists in the minds of men. Its just a continuing business that makes money on its nebulous claims of the afterlife.
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Which shows how little you see from outside.
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As a Catholic aspirant experiencing this acute wave of anti-Christian and anti-Catholic bigotry, this post and others of its kind are very helpful. Thank you.
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Glad to be of service 😊
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Sir, I have found that Catholic conversion stories are good to shore up bouts of doubt or despair. Many can be found on the web. Patrick Madrid edited a 3 book series called Surprised by Truth which has 12-15 stories in each book. David Curry gives an answer as to why he became Catholic in his book Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic. Enjoy the journey, it will change your life!
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I’ll look for it. Thanks for the encouragement!
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Please good brother infinite, what ever you do, don’t join that pagan cult of personality. if you seek a relation with Christ, ask Him in prayer to show himself to you. That’s the only way. he said he would show himself. Stand on His promise.
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the reasons why some of us joined the Catholic Church; it stops them, dread horror, from having a real explanation as to why they do not join it.
I didn’t join it because I have a daughter. Too many pedophile and homo priests.
No thanks
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And of course there is not a single example from the Calvary Chapel movement of either sin – you gotta be joking, you want me to cite some more scandals from your tiny movement?
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Each are independent. Its a tax thing. No scandal where I fellowship. Not that it means anything. Calvary chapel is not a religion. Its a tax shelter. Feel free to find scandal. I love it. Misery loves company. Your religions clergy shouldn’t be considered scandal. Its how they operate. But your ped clergy aren’t why you will wake up in hell. Each man for himself.
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Sure, no scandal – yet. You are comparing one tiny chapel with a church with a billion members – really?
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No comparison except that both contain people. Everyone who attends calvary isn’t born again. but there are born again folks there and Steve the pastor is born again. So was the last one. I can safely say not one catholic priest is born again. And if one does open the door to Christ, he gets out. he cant stay a catholic priest and preach the new message of salvation in Christ, by opening the door. that sort of talk isn’t allowed to come froth from the catholic pulpit.
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How would you know? When was the last time you attended a Catholic Church?
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I know it an d you know it. catholic salvation is from Semiramis.
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No, and unlike you I know there is no connection between semiramis and the Church. You are relying on ‘scholarship’ that is 200 years out of date to support your man-made religion.
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Independence day is coming up. where we beat off the stupid and cruel british govt. Now britian is nothing but a tourist trap and the US is the biggest and best country the world has ever seen, replete with scientific advances and men on the moon. Britian has cute little beefeaters.
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Original Brexit, eh?
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Original Brexit. That’s rite. It was for the good of the world. Who know we would become the most powerful nation to ever exist. It wouldn’t have happened under the oppression of the Crown. We had to bail Europe out from under the germans twice.
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And you have a clown at whom the world is laughing as your president. If you ask nicely we’ll consider your application to return 😊
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Laugh away, but I have a question. Who said this?
“Since the signing of the Declaration of Independence 241 years ago, America always affirmed that liberty comes from our creator. Our rights are given to us by God, and no earthly force can ever take those rights away. That is why my administration is transferring power out of Washington and returning that power back where it belongs to the people.”
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Agreed, Neo, but it’s not looking good, and I worry about the future if the deep State is going to continue to undermine any President it doesn’t like
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I agree, but the cure for that must surely be to break the deep state, not acquiesce, and the press is part of that.
I apologize, I’m getting a bit testy about the whole mess, but this deep state, press combine is hurting the country quite a lot.
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Uh, Jefferson?
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Uh, no, that wasn’t right. had to be Obama.
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No, there’s a guy whose surname in English means fart.
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Uh, Chalcedon?
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