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Catholicism, Christianity, controversy, Ephesus, Faith, history, orthodoxy, st cyril of alexandria
Three main charges are commonly levelled against St. Cyril by his denigrators:
– that he turned up at Ephesus with what amounted to his own private army and stirred up opposition to Nestorius
– that he intemperately started the Council early
– that he bribed the emperor into accepting his version of events
There is a level at which each of these criticisms is extracted from the truth, but done so in a manner which leaves it an empty shell. An understanding of this requires a resort to narrative history for a while.
Nestorius was the first bishop to arrive (he only had to cross the Bosphorus). He turned up with his ecclesiastical supporters, his own armed guard, and that of the prefect, Count Candidian, who was the emperor’s representative. In these circumstances it was wise of Cyril to turn up with his ecclesiastical supporters and their ‘attendants’. McGuckin (p. 56) quotes a letter extant now only in Coptic in which St. Cyril denies the charge of bringing an army, and he says there ‘is no hard evidence’ to suggest Cyril did so. The ease with which Count Irenaeus and Candidian were able to cut off Cyril’s supply lines later supports such a conclusion. Cyril turned up, as Nestorius did, with supporters; what he lacked was the armed support enjoyed by the latter. So yes, it is true to say he turned with with a large entourage; to represent that as an attempt to overawe the Imperial Power is too simplistic.
There was a good deal of anti-Nestorian sentiment in Ephesus. Memnon, its archbishop, barred Nestorius from communion, and aligned himself with Cyril. To blame Cyril for the unpopularity of Nestorius is to misunderstand the context of the Council. Ephesus was the city where Our Blessed Lady had lived with St. John, and had long been the centre of Marian devotion; that its people would have been hostile to Nestorius was natural – Cyril needed to do nothing save proclaim orthodox belief to receive support.
The Council was due to convene on 7 June 431. Cyril delayed it for two weeks as many delegates, including those from Rome and Antioch, had failed to meet that deadline. The hot weather and the strain on the food resources of Ephesus took its toll on those delegates who had arrived. When Cyril received information that the Antiochenes would be delayed a while longer, he summoned the Council together. He suspected, and not without cause, that John of Antioch did not want to be there when Nestorius was deposed; the evidence is sifted at McGuckin pp. 66-68.
Should Cyril have waited longer? Perhaps, but since he had no idea when, if ever, the other delegates might arrive, he decided a fortnight was sufficient.
The First Session began on Monday morning, June 22nd, at Saint Mary’s Cathedral, with Cyril presiding; Peter, an Alexandrian priest, was appointed as the chief legal notary. There were 155 bishops present, of whom 68, led by Theodoret of Cyrus, came to protest against the decision to open the Council. Count Candidian came with them and declared the meeting illegal. St. Cyril asked him to read the letter of the Emperor. This had a double purpose. It revealed a clear instruction to the Count from the Emperor to refrain from interfering in theological discussion. By reading the letter, the Count had, in Cyril’s opinion, opened the Council in a formal sense. After hearing the letter, the bishops asked the Count to leave the meeting and not to interfere in the work of the Council. Count Candidian then left, followed by Theodoret and 26 of the 68 dissident bishops. The remaining 42 bishops stayed. The meeting went on to summon Nestorius, something repeated the following day, and when he refused to attend, he was deposed.
St. Cyril’s description of the reaction of the great crowd outside to this event is worth repeating:
“When they heard that the wretched men were deposed, they all began with one voice to cry out in praise of the Holy Council, glorifying God because the enemy of the Faith had fallen.”
The people had spoken; the bishops had spoken; but would that be enough for orthodoxy to prevail?
Before turning to that, I want to take a moment to look at how Cyril opened the Council, as it will help us understand how he saw Our Lady in the economy of salvation.
Speaking of a classic move to defang the opposition, “Count Candidian came with them and declared the meeting illegal. St. Cyril asked him to read the letter of the Emperor.” Now what are going to do, Count? Interfere in theological matters, against the Emporer’s direct orders?
And so here we are, in the middle of the 5th century, in what is already a center of Marian devotion, and it’s not even really a Roman Catholic enclave. Bosco and friends might well take note.
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For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;
25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.
26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.
28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
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Archaeology shows that there were Christian churches in Ephesus in the first century.
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Yes. Good brother Paul was sent there and the Holy Ghost fell on many.
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That being so, why should you disbelieve and eye-witness who says St John lived there and so did the Blessed Virgin who Jesus charged him to look after.
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Agreed, and so why disbelieve that John and Mary lived there when we have eye-witness testimony?
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I don’t believe or disbelieve. The bible is silent on that.
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Ephesus was the city where Our Blessed Lady had lived with St. John, and had long been the centre of Marian devotion
Im curious as to where you got this information about good brother John and good sister Mary living in Ephesus.
Secondly, Ephesus was was the long time seat of Diana worship. I guess if one interchanges the name Mary for Diana one could make this claim.
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I got it from the same source as I got the info that St John write the gospel which bears his name – Polycarp, a disciple of John who told Irenaeus – see it is useful to read the Fathers
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Something got fouled up then. Ephesus was was Diana worship country. As was all of the world. But if one substitutes the name Mary for Diana, I guess that claim would be true.
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Oddly enough I believe eye witnesses, not a modern Californian.
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You believe what ever the spirit from Vaticanus Hill says.
Scripture says Ephesus was Diana worship country, but you say its was Msary worship country. one the Ephesians were told, at the point of a bayonet , that Diana is now Mary, I guess that would be a true statement.
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Polycarp is an historical figure. But you know nothing. You are so ignorant that you don’t know how ignorant you are.
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Especially a modern Californian who manages to not cite his source, or its date, which is unlikely to be 5th (or even 4th) century. I could imagine such a thing being written, say in the reign of Augustinian.
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My source is Acts 19; 27
But the bible isn’t something you idolaters consider as true. Seeing as we can find your people prostrate befor the works of their own hands.
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No one denies it. But as Paul preached there, is it not likely his work bore fruit!
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And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
Good brother Chalcedon, are you insinuating that good brother Paul preached that Mary was the queen of heaven? And that is why you claim Ephesus was a center of Mary worship??
Wow!!!
You guys are a case in point for why the religion of Nimrod is still alive. You guys just love Semiramis and worship her to the last.
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How even you can come to that conclusion is a mystery. I said Paul made converts and there was a Church there, so what is more likely than that the story that John and Mary lived there is true?
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Fair enough, Bosco, you got me on that one. But of course, you realize that it is the Acts of the Apostles, and therefore the followers who had known Jesus in the flesh, and was written in the First Century. Why wouldn’t the cult of Diana have died by 431, when Christianity had become the primary religion of the Empire?
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And why, of course, would St John and Mary not have lived there if, as Bosco admits, there were Christians there? Ah well, I guess if you don’t read anything your opinions are unsullied by messy things like evidence.
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Quite, it would make life a lot simpler. As I’ve noticed today as I sort through about 20 sources on Mother Julian. My word, the conclusions people can draw! 🙂
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Quite so, Bosco is free of such things – he is head of the ‘knownothing’ party
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Indeed he is.
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Why didn’t Diana worship die in 451? Diana worship was part on parcel of who these people are. The wouldn’t change their age old beliefs just like that. Look how hard the cathols of today find it impossible to change their minds about anything. So, to accommodate them, the new State Run Roman religion dubbed all the Diana graven images Mary. This seemed to work. These people were not going to stop worshiping their female deity. The spirit of Nimrods false world religion even lives on now. These pages are a case in point.
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Who, except you, is talking about Diana worship? You make the serious allegation that Christians who were dying for their faith worshipped Diana – if so, why were they persecuted by pagans. You make zero sense.
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So good brother, did you see the hard hitting post I submitted? Are you going to publish it?
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I have been at work all day, but will look now.
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Ive got to get off computer now.
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You won’t be missed.
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You sick little monkey.
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“Before turning to that, I want to take a moment to look at how Cyril opened the Council, as it will help us understand how he saw Our Lady in the economy of salvation.”
I look forward to reading about this. The connection between Mary and our salvation is an interesting topic of discussion, albeit one that I admit I still don’t completely understand. Though, I don’t think perfect understanding is necessary for devotion to Our Lady. I don’t completely understand it, but I do feel compelled into the direction of a Marian spirituality in my walk with Christ.
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I hope you will enjoy today’s post, Steven
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