I have been a trifle busy this last fortnight (two 6 day working weeks of about 14 hours a day, with only one day, Sunday last, off), so when I saw that the blog’s statistics were rising, my first thought was right – someone has said something which has prompted furious comments. I was a bit taken aback to discover yesterday’s pst had vanished, but there is nothing to stop people taking down their posts, and indeed, when they leave and delete their names, all their posts vanish into the dark with them. Then I remembered it is Lent, and usually, at this season, there is an outbreak of some sort – I do hope that the last 24 hours or so here are the end of it.
We are all Christians, and we all take our faith seriously, and that probably offers multiple reasons why this time of the year leads to tensions; fasting is not easy, and I doubt I’m the only one to get cranky when deprived of whatever it is I have given up for Lent (in my case biscuits and chocolate); but let’s take that into account shall we? On the rights and the wrongs I am not commenting, not out of cowardice, but because I have not the time to read all the comments. I will say only that I respect all those involved in this blog, and am sorrowful when it goes the way it does from time to time; having fallen into that way of being here from time to time, I am in no position to throw even a small stone. I would ask that we let bygones be bygones and concentrate on what we are here for – to communicate our faith and our views on it.
I am unsure that America’s culture wars have added much to anything. In so far as they have led to the current polarised political situation in America, they may have had an adverse effect; we shall see. But I’d rather they remained a part of American exceptionalism – except of course, because America sets the world’s culture, they won’t and can’t. On the subject of Teilhard, I doubt anyone below a certain age would get heated over him – which is perhaps all that needs to be said. Whatever he contributed that is of value will survive, what wasn’t won’t. But this itch, this urge, this need to shut down any thinking which is not in accord with what an individual thinks is ‘Catholic’, worries me. Newman suffered from it, it led to the destruction of much of Origen’s writing, and it helped give the Church the reputation it has not quite shaken off of being too scared and narrow-minded to engage in serious debate. This is not the Anglican tradition, which, whatever its faults, has always encouraged debate, at least in the last 150 years.
At its best thins blog offers a unique space on the Internet – we all value it, so let’s show that by respecting the unwritten rules – as good Anglo-Saxons should 🙂
My meditating on this last night led me to two two quotes, one from our own Jessica,
“We concentrate on what we divides us, but in fact are we even sure that we are right here? We are all, to some extent products of our tradition. I have seen converts to Orthodoxy struggle with the questions of ethnicity, and was struck, listening to one of the best-known Western converts that he seems to have acquired a foreign accent which he certainly did not used to have. Can we really jettison the tradition we grew up in? Is that even necessary? Can we really immerse ourselves so well in another that we become part of it? Is that necessary?
The Council of Jerusalem seemed pretty clear that Gentiles did not have to become Jews, so it seems unlikely that we have to adapt to another tradition in order to be saved by Christ. Perhaps there is a diversity of churches for a reason? Perhaps all traditions have something to tell us – but how well do we know them – or our own?”
And one from St.Isaac the Syrian, who has always been a favorite Saint here, not least because in belonging to none of our churches, he belongs to all of them.
“To whatever extent a person draws close to God with his intentions, is to what extent God draws close to him with His gifts.”
Time to move on, in the spirit in which this blog was founded.
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Good thoughts, Neo – and I am, of course, fully in accord.
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Pretty sure you would be, I pray that we all are.
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Obviously on a blog where all shades of Christian opinion are allowed (a bit tough on the atheists and Muslims, but we can’t please everyone), there is nothing to stop one person writing in support of TdC, and there is nothing to stop others from writing in strong disagreement.
Why this should lead to people deleting posts and other people’s comments, threatening to leave, and then leaving, or not leaving, I do not know. However, to avoid arguments, I think I had better refuse to let this blog use any photos of my garden shed.
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How insulting and disappointing when you know that a few photos of your garden shed might provide the serenity needed here. The only argument might be which photo best expresses that serenity.
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Ha haaaaaa, I discovered who that puppet Eccles is. It none other than that busy body good brother Gareth. Ha ha haaaaaa. You can fool some of the people all the time, but you cant fool all the people some of the time, or something like that…..ha ha haaaaaa. Revenge is mine……ha ha haaaaaaa (;-D
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I always said that you were the brainy one in our family, Bosco.
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Bosco, You are a dope – no, they are not the same person, not even remotely the same.
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Were you thinking of the square of opposition, Bosco? Or truth tables?
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Thank you Chalcedon, as always. But just for the record, my own comment on de Chardin was not about what I “as an individual think what is “Catholic” or not”; what I think about him or anyone else, is quite irrelevant. What I was raising was a point of doctrine: in his ideas of the evolution of the species, did de Chardin jettison the doctrine of Original Sin, passed down in the human race by our first parents, which we Christians believe has afflicted us all – or not? On the matter of Lenten fasting, I too have given up biscuits (but only those with a chocolate coating…) And speaking as a Celt, rather than as an Anglo-Saxon, I also like respectful ecumenical debate, while recognising there are limits to it i.e. we are not free to reject the Christian doctrine on Original Sin, even if we personally don’t like it.
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Ha ha haaaaaaa, that’s what you religion people get….a big fight over what your favorite holy man said. The things and ways of men are what you love. Ha ha haaaaaa , and you will suffer for it.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
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I will preface my comment with the observation that it appears I am one of the only women who comments here.
It is my opinion that there were simple bad manners on display during the past few days that probably are not attributable to fasting. References were made to relationships stretching into the past and the rancor of some was palpable. A gossipy tone was adopted as if the person being gossiped about would somehow not be privy to the mean-spirited comments, but of course we all know that they were read by the person being targeted. I was personally told that a gossipy tone about my own comment, meant in good faith, was “a joke.” Oh, my bad then. I realize that I may be out of my element here, that what passes so lightly as bullying toward vulnerable members of the blog is just what men do, evidently.
This is my two cents, I don’t mean to belabor the issue which Chalcedon wishes to be over, but these are my observations of the past few days. I have every intention of continuing to comment here but I am aware now that there may be challenges for a woman…hence so very few bother to participate.
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Thank you, Celia, and I am so glad one of the few women commenting here does not feel inclined to go. This was founded by a woman, and its tone is irenical and ecumenical, and I hope it remains so.
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Hello Celia, I am a woman too, but was named after St Francis of Assisi (which causes a bit of confusion). It’s good to have women’s voices here (women being more naturally irenical than men and so on!)
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Thank you for the clarification, Francis, I thought your given name was Phillip. 🙂
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My given name is Phillip. 🙂
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Ah ha! The source of my confusion! Thanks for the clarification.
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Reflecting a little more on the recent angry exchanges, I am reminded that it is a hallmark of Christians to ask for and seek forgiveness. We all fall many times. I have been reading the Telegraph obituary and comments about the death of Martin McGuinness and was struck by Norman Tebbit’s comment that McGuinness never publicly repented or asked forgiveness for his earlier crimes of violence – so he couldn’t and wouldn’t forgive him. How do we forgive someone who isn’t sorry?
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Francis, that has to be left with God who no doubt knows the entire story of our lives and loves us just the same.
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I have also been working 14 hour days frequently over the last 2 months so missed what some have taken as offensive. This place is valuable in growing understanding of one another – long may it continue with as many diverse contributions as possible.
I have enjoyed Malcolm’s post they have added a meditative element which has not formed a major part of my own experience.
As an evangelical and a bit of a heretic hunter, with concerns over the penetration of new age which I have observed in Catholicism I also appreciate Scopes analysis on certain matters.
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