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Writing in 1874, three years after the Vatical Council which had declared the Pope infallible, the British former Prime Minister, Gladstone, wrote (1):
That no one can now become her convert without renouncing his moral and mental freedom, and placing his civil loyalty and duty at the mercy of another.
In expressing this view, he was saying out loud, so to say, what many British people thought. Embedded deep into the national psyche, not least by two hundred years worth of anti-Catholic black propaganda, was the idea that to be a Roman Catholic was profoundly un-English. Edward Norman has eloquently described the potent, and toxic, mix of patriotism, prurience and protestantism which made up the mental image of the Catholic for the average Englishman. All of this Gladstone now evoked. At the very least, he demanded, Catholics should give some kind of oath of fealty that they would not vote as their priests told them to. Lest anyone be tempted to mock Victorian prejudices, a swift look at the some of the comments made about JFK when he was a candidate for the Presidency in 1960 should be enough to subdue any smirk.
Gladstone was appealing to feelings which, as recently as 1851, had resulted in a wave of pubic hostility against the restoration by Rome of a diocesan structure in England and Wales, described by the then Prime Minister, Lord John Russell as ‘Papal Aggression’. When Newman converted in 1845, he knew that he would be considered as though he were dead by many of his old friends; indeed, for some of them, death would have been preferable to crossing the Tiber and surrendering his mental faculties to a celibate old Italian bigot.
Newman’s response to Gladstone, which took the form of a letter to the leading English Catholic layman, the Duke of Norfolk still deserves reading as the best, and most reasoned example to a line of argumentation (it would be doing it too much honour to call it an argument) which is not unfamiliar to readers of this site.
Newman first reminded Gladstone that States had ever sought to bring Christianity under their control and, from Britain through to the lands of the East had largely succeeded in either subduing or massacring Christians:
Such is the actual fact that, whereas it is the very mission of Christianity to bear witness to the Creed and Ten Commandments in a world which is averse to them, Rome is now the one faithful representative, and thereby is heir and successor, of that free-spoken dauntless Church of old, whose political and social traditions Mr. Gladstone says the said Rome has repudiated.
Rome, and it alone, stood out against the ‘spirit of the age’, as it always had and must, as Christ’s Church, always do. Where Anglicans:
do not believe that Christ set up a visible society, or rather kingdom, for the propagation and maintenance of His religion, for a necessary home and a refuge for His people
Catholics did; it was their Church, which alone resembled that of Rome of old. But did that, as Gladstone alleged, mean that Catholics could not vote according to their own consciences? Were they, as British politicians had urged since the days of Elizabeth, spies and agents of a foreign power which was hostile to the freedom which was the heir of every Englishman?
The main point of Gladstone’s Pamphlet was that, since the Pope claims infallibility in faith and morals, and since there were no “departments and functions of human life which do not and cannot fall within the domain of morals,”(2) and since “the domain of all that concerns the government and discipline of the Church,” were his, and he “claims the power of determining the limits of those domains,” and “does not sever them, by any acknowledged or intelligible line from the domains of civil duty and allegiance,” therefore Catholics are moral and mental slaves, and “every convert and member of the Pope’s Church places his loyalty and civil duty at the mercy of another.
This was the main charge; let us turn to Newman’s answer.
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1. W.E. Gladstone, The Vatican Decrees in their Bearing on Civil Allegiance 1874, page 6.
2. Ibid. p. 36
Ibid. p. 45
I remember the “blind follower of the Pope” arguments well during the campaigning of Kennedy. It was not simply laughed off mockingly, it was taken quite seriously by many. If not for his oratory skills I wonder if he could have overcome the prejudice.
By any real assessment he was a terrible president but not for the Catholic charges (he was far from a good Catholic) that were rampant. In fact, the press and the people to this day still hold him aloft as a ‘Prince of Camelot’ and have romanticized a false reality and mystique about his presidency. Go figure.
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Quite so, my friend. Very odd all round, but yes, the prejudice was alive and well – and still is.
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Well we can’t say that we weren’t warned: “If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own. Because you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world—therefore the world hates you.”
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Quite so – the best evidence we could want that the Catholic Church is of Christ.
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Precisely why I am not anxious to make peace with the world – for we know that His Church will never be at peace in the world. The world condemned Christ and it is in its nature to condemn those who stand with Him.
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We are warned about the world and the lusts thereof.
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Tolkien was also the object of this kind of prejudice and discrimination. When his mother converted to Catholicism, much of her family and many of her friends cut her off. He saw something of the ‘Ulster Protestantism’ in CS Lewis also. Sad.
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It was very common when I was a boy – but then I was brought up on Merseyside, which was not exactly an ecumenical environment in the 1950s.
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Have you read Lothair by Disraeli? I need to get round to reading it myself. It would be interesting to compare Disraeli’s view of Catholicism with Gladstone’s.
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I have, and indeed, many years ago used to teach it. There is a most interesting contrast, with Dizzy, who was fascinated (and a little repelled) by the Romance and antiquity of the Church.
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More bequests from the Tudors, I think. So much of that prejudice has its inception in Mary’s use of Smithfield, and the Stuarts didn’t help. Although really their Catholicism wasn’t the reason. I do as well, SF. It our patrimony from the Dissenters that settled Massachusetts Bay, it’s integral with what we call the ‘Protestant Ethic’ in both Britain and America. It’s better now, but it’s still buried in there.
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I think it was a friend of Gladstone, Kingsley who took a stage coach around Ireland and was to have said, “For 500 miles all I was was the human faces of Chimpanzees.” I wonder if that was because they were Catholics. The black legends of the 16th,17th,18th,19th, 20th century die hard. Excuse me I have to swing on my bars, my keeper promised me a banana. They may be right thou we did have Ted Kennedy and other Catholics who walk among us and are black with sin.
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Converts seem to like quoting Newman. When I’ve had a chance to catch up on my work, I want to turn to the matter of ‘catholicity’. However, I suppose I’d better let the current Bosco derived arguments die down first.
S.
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Hi Struans, good to see you back. Hope your pilgrimage was enjoyable as well as enlightening.
As for Newman, I would think because we have so many Anglican Catholics on this blog it might seem a bit skewed. As a convert, all Catholics who know of Newman naturally hold him in high regard. But that is not to say that he is the prime example: as I am sure that such would be private preference. I admired Dietrich von Hildebrand as much if not more as he was closer to our time and also a brilliant theologian. Archbishop Fulton Sheen here in the U.S. was probably the cause for many conversions to the faith just as in recent time people like Scott Hahn have won over many Bible Christians to the Catholic faith. But you are right, Newman is worthy of quoting and is a wonderful example for those who have come to the Catholic faith – just that there are so many others one could speak of as well.
Looking forward to your thoughts on ‘catholicity.’ 🙂
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Glad to be back. It is in the human nature to find those with whom we identify, over and above those in whom greater truth might be found. However, let’s not get stuck in already 🙂
I hope to share my India pilgrimage soon – I need to collate photographs first.
Let me say though at this point is that it is almost beyond words: joyous, incredible, humbling and thought-provoking.
A week of work now beckons before I can have a chance to catch up on such things though.
S.
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Looking forward to it and I hope the publishing of some of those photographs for us to look at. Glad to have you back and to hear that it went well for you. 🙂
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Glad you made it back safe good brother Struans.
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Bosco do you not think it strange you put out the hand of welcome to your brother Struans, and with the other hand, hit the other brothers with a brick?
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Nice to see you back, Struans, and I do hope you will tell us something of your journeyings. Newman here is very important; the fact he writes so well is also a temptation 🙂
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Indeed welcome back, Struans. I like the rest will be waiting impatiently for you to tell us about it. 🙂
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” Rome is now the one faithful representative, ”
Rome was and is the seat of Satan. It used to kill the body. Now it kills by separating humans from the salvation that Christ affords.
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“…Indeed we declare, say, pronounce, and define that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
Pope Boniface VIII published a bull on this day, November 18, 1302, titled Unam sanctam
The year 2014. Upon seeing how embarrassing catholic doctrine is, the CC puts on a sheepskin and now says that everyone, no matter what, goes to heaven. We call this a flip flop. Submitting one false claim for another. Who is the father of lies?
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We’ve been through this before Bosco, and this is not what the Church teaches in secular terms. Still, you like your mantras. Were you ever a Hari-Krishna sort?
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Welcome back, Struans. I see you have a comment in an article on Newman in the Catholic Herald Chalcedon451, congratulations.
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And in other news, has anyone seen this yet?
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