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There’s a fascinating piece by William Oddie on the Catholic Herald blog about Our Lady of Quito saying that there would be a ‘spiritual catastrophe’ in the West. Among the signs of the times would be that:
“there will be unbridled luxury, which will ensnare the rest into sin and conquer innumerable frivolous souls, who will be lost. Innocence will almost no longer be found in children, nor modesty in women. In this supreme moment of need of the Church, the one who should speak will fall silent.”
As with the prophecies at Fatima, Our Lady spoke dolefully, but truthfully (of course). The tides rises higher, and the wind gets fiercer, and faint hearts fade away. But that was always the way.
In the fat years, especially when Christianity was/is the State religion, then everyone is a Christian, and the meaning of being a follower of Jesus Christ is diluted. Cultural Christianity continues long after the need to be a Christian, or the utility of being one, disappears. It can be one of the things which makes some Christians want the church to be more like their State – that will prolong the status quo; in a paradoxical way, some liberal Christians are actually quite conservative.
The eighteenth century in England was a period of some licence (rather like now, but without the drugs to deal with sexually transmitted diseases, and no internet), and it was the laxness of the State Church which drove that great and good man, John Wesley, to travel the length and breadth of England preaching one thing – ‘Christ and Him crucified.’ The great nineteenth century Evangelist, Charles Spurgeon, said it wonderfully in a sermon he preached in 1855, and this part has always stuck in my memory:
I do not believe it is preaching Christ and him crucified, to leave out the main cardinal doctrines of the Word of God, and preach a religion which is all a mist and a haze, without any definite truths whatever.
And yet that is what is so often required of Christians in the public sphere.
One American blogger, short little rebel has found that libertarianism has its boundaries – not too much of that ‘Bible bashing, please, ma’am’. The indomitable Rebecca Hamilton in Oklahoma pays a price for being a ‘Public Catholic‘. Indeed few, if any, who ‘confess Christ crucified’ in a way that would have satisfied Mr. Spurgeon come away unscathed in public life. The new Catholic archbishop of Glasgow is just the latest to get it in the neck (even in the generally pro-Catholic Daily Telegraph for making comments out of line with the modern belief that gay sex has no adverse consequences. He has discovered the truth that no rendering of traditional Christian belief on this subject goes unstoned.
For sure, some, many perhaps, will be turned away or will not come. Well, it was ever thus. St. Athanasius stood alone against the world. But Our Lady’s words lead not to despair, but to where they always lead, her beloved Son – and Him Risen:
“To test this faith and confidence of the just, there will be occasions when everything will seem to be lost and paralyzed. This, then, will be the happy beginning of the complete restoration.”
Short Little Rebel said:
Hi Jessica, thought I’d visit your blog. You know, for a so called ‘tolerant’ culture, we have become mighty intolerant of one thing: Jesus. That word alone will silence a party. Try the words, “I love Jesus”. This will actually clear the room in a matter of minutes and the speaker will find themselves quite alone for the rest of the event! Jesus’ words do indeed cut like a sword. They don’t even need explanation. God is so wise. He knew & Jesus knew exactly how to speak and what words to use. They are perfect in their ability to hush humans into silence. They are perfect in their ability to force a choice in the human heart & soul. One must immediately celebrate at the vibrations of those words- or flee from them in angst. No one likes to feel like a chicken- and this fright immediately turns into a violent attack.
I have noticed the the rapid acceleration of distict polarization in culture: those who love Christ and those who hate him. Those who love him are more passionate today than in the hey day of American Christianity and those who hate him are more ugly & vehement than at any other time in human history. We must not get down about it. It is exactly God’s will. All of this will culminate in Jesus’ return- and the ultimate salvation of mankind. Unfortunately, like me, most humans must be brought to the complete brink of failure & dispair before they will accept the LIFE that God so desperately wishes to give them.
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JessicaHof said:
Yes, you are right. Even when I was at University there were many who classified me as a ‘Jesus freak’, which I always took as a kind of compliment. If the world hates us, we must be doing a reasonable job of our witnessing Him. Good to have you here, Susan.
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Short Little Rebel said:
what I don’t get is how anyone can justify the principle of ‘equality’ if they wish to take God out of the equation. without the idea that we were created by God as equal souls, where can the reasonable justification for equality lie? There isn’t any. People simple are NOT equal in any other way. Some are better looking, smarter, stronger, more fertile, more aggressive, etc. Without the concept of God, we fall immediately into the animal kingdom of ‘the strongest are the fittest to survive’. If we believe in equality- politically- then we must have the reasonable basis to explain it. This is why God is so politically relevant! The attempts to take God out of the political equation are just. plain. illogical. Literally.
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The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred said:
I love that prophecy. It is so true. I actually think of that prophecy often, particularly one part.
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JessicaHof said:
Can I ask which part? I am reassured by Our Lady’s promise.
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The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred said:
The part about the Masons. I see a lot of Masonic influence in my travels and when I start to wonder if I am reading too much into what has caused the crisis we are in today, I remember her prophecy. Then I know I am not delusional – after all, she warned it would happen. 😦
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JessicaHof said:
She did, and she was indeed right, as she was at Fatima. If it was not for her promises and those of Christ, I would be afraid 😦
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The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred said:
Me too. Usually I just want to take up a sword though and go charge some Masons!
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JessicaHof said:
I can see you doing that, too. You are very brave – and inspiring 🙂
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The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred said:
Thank you so much. You are too. We need to start a group and our symbol will be matching swords! Swords of truth – swords of the pen.
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JessicaHof said:
Yay! I love that idea – with the pen mightier than the sword – but we need that sword too 🙂
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The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred said:
True. Nothing like holding a sword in the air. “Charge!”
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JessicaHof said:
Yay – let’s have at them 🙂
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The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred said:
I love it!
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JessicaHof said:
It will be like in the Ballard of the White Horse,with the Blessed Virgin above our flag, inspiring us 🙂
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The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred said:
I like that. We do need her. Women need her today more than ever, because this whole battle is going down around them.
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JessicaHof said:
We do. I could not do without my Rosary every day. She is our inspiration – I love her so much 🙂
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Laura at Catholic Cravings said:
I’m still trying to get my head around these sort of Marian prophecies and apparitions. I never really know what to think. I mean, I think they probably happened but they still seem so strange to me!
So what’s the deal with the masons?
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kathleen said:
Hi Laura,
Catholics are not obliged to believe in any Marian apparition, not even the ones recognised by the Church at Lourdes and Fatima (among some other apparitions I believe). But their main purpose, as they demonstrate, is the profound love and concern of our Heavenly Mother for the Salvation of her children….. us ‘children’, given unto her care at the foot of the Cross. There are no new Revelations, teachings, etc., only a reiteration of the FULLNESS of Christian Faith, including the warnings of the consequences of sin, something so sadly lacking in our times. Some of the prophecies given by Our Lady (like the threat of WW2 at Fatima if men didn’t mend their ways) have already taken place, but others are still pending.
The overall message is always one of hope: that the Church will ride the future storms, and finally triumph over the forces of Evil, but for that we must obey God and fulfill our Christian duties so that as many souls as possible will be able to share in that triumph.
Re, the Masons…… Masonry (also known as Freemasonry) is a parallel religion to Christianity. Historically, one of Masonry’s primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church! In fact it espouses a naturalistic religion that contradicts any form of orthodox Christianity.
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JessicaHof said:
Thanks kathleen. I am turning more and more to Our Lady at the moment – and as ever, with total success. I am in her hands more than ever – and it is a good place to be right now 🙂
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Laura at Catholic Cravings said:
Thanks Kathleen! That does help explain it more. I think I’ll take some time to get my head (and heart!) around it all. I think what I find most confusing is when Our Lady of Fatima says things like, “you must pray the Rosary every day!” Is that a command from God – ought we treat it as such? Or is it something which I can take or leave?
But if it really is Our Mother, then why would I? But if I don’t believe it, doesn’t that mean I’m implicitly calling the Church a liar because She has approved the message?
Maybe it’s just that I’m so used to thinking Protestantly about things – it either is from God or not. The idea of an approved revealation from the Mother of God which is “optional” for belief is simply baffling to me. I don’t have an epistomological category for that!
Sorry about all these questions!
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JabbaPapa said:
I think what I find most confusing is when Our Lady of Fatima says things like, “you must pray the Rosary every day!” Is that a command from God – ought we treat it as such? Or is it something which I can take or leave?
All apparitions are primarily for the person or persons appeared to, and it is very unusual for the Saints to provide teachings for the rest of the Church, or the rest of the world.
Primarily, the Virgin was asking Lucia herself to pray the rosary every day, and it is Lucia who chose to share this advice, as good advice, to her fellow Catholics.
Prayer is a Charism, and most Christians have that Charism, but not all of us — I have no especial Charism of prayer myself, and my relationship with God has developed in different ways.
But it’s not up to anyone else to say what you should take or leave concerning the rosary, which is a matter for your own personal spirituality. That’s not a “command” from God, it’s advice towards the accomplishment of a fuller spiritual life through prayer.
If you have an urge towards prayer, then YES you should follow that urge, and take this advice from Lucia to heart.
Maybe it’s just that I’m so used to thinking Protestantly about things – it either is from God or not. The idea of an approved revealation from the Mother of God which is “optional” for belief is simply baffling to me.
Yes, that is indeed a Protestant view of things.
Where you are confused, it’s that the intellect actually does not have the capability of understanding Revelation, contrary to the most fundamental tenet of Protestantism.
When God orders us to do things, we have absolutely no choice in the matter but to obey — but such orders usually come in the form of real life events and constraints, not words.
And we probably hardly ever understand that these are Acts of God in our lives.
When God asks us to do things, we are not being ordered — these are requests made upon our Love and our Free Will.
Only Protestants and radicals within the Church, and atheists in a different way, believe that truth about God is discoverable using logic — whereas in fact, we can only discover truths about Revelation in this manner.
God Himself, being omnipotent, is not actually constrained by any logical limitations whatsoever (although He has both spoken to us within those constraints via Revelation, and Incarnated Himself inside that matrix of human logic, in the Christ), given that logic is a product of the human mind, not part of external Nature. WE are constrained by logical limitations, but to foist those limitations on to God is to anthropomorphise the Almighty.
The end result of going down that path of trying to second guess God is to define God according to our own limitations, and therefore to set our own minds up as being God.
Nope.
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kathleen said:
Certainly is Jess 🙂
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JessicaHof said:
thank you – 🙂
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kathleen said:
(The above two short comments should have been placed above Jabba’s ;-))
Good explanation Jabba, but I would say that as believers we are ALL called to Prayer in one form or another.
Prayer covers a wide spectrum of forms. In essence it is no more than a turning of the mind and heart to God; to put oneself in His presence: “Be still and know that I am God”. So yes, words are not absolutely necessary.
The Liturgy of Holy Mass, the Rosary, the Divine Mercy chaplet, any set prayers, Novenas, hymns, short prayer ejaculations (e.g. Jesus, Mary and Joseph: I give you my heart and my soul), Lectio Divina, AND silent contemplation before the Blessed Sacrament ….(and I’m sure I’ve forgotten something), are all forms of PRAYER. Through prayer we give glory to God, forgiveness for our sins, and we obtain abundant grace for ourselves and others through the Communion of Saints. Prayer is very very powerful, and Our Blessed Lord Himself often mentions its importance. Without Prayer, how are we to know, love and communicate with God?
Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta said to often feel the need to pray during the day. And St. Teresa of Avila (whose writings on prayer are so beautiful) reminds us that “Our Lord walks among the pots and pans”, or IOW, one can pray all day long while going about one’s daily duties. My favourite saints’ words on prayer are from St. Therese of Lisieux (another Teresa!!) and St. John Vianney, whose simple childlike methods of prayer are so deeply profound. The Catechism of the Catholic Church also has a whole wonderful section on prayer.
Laura, when Our Blessed Mother at apparitions sites exhorts us to make sacrifices and to pray much, especially the Rosary, (btw, I don’t think she uses the word “must”) she is asking us – pleading with us even – to do something sublime and extremely powerful for our good, and the good of our fellow men. With deep sorrow she told the little children at Fatima: “Many souls go to Hell because there is no one to pray for them”. How terrible to think that through our sins of omission (to pray) this fate should befall anyone!
The Holy Rosary is a wonderful prayer, it is a deep meditation of the whole Gospel. Sometimes people find it difficult at first, too repetitive or monotonous, but it should become easier to pray with time and constancy. However no one is OBLIGED to pray the Rosary; there are plenty of other forms of prayer.
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