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Choosing Scripture (3) Orthodox?

30 Thursday Jul 2020

Posted by John Charmley in Bible, Catholic Tradition, Faith

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Canon, Church Fathers, Scripture

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It is perhaps because in the West in our time “diversity” is a “must have” for intellectuals and politicians that even in Biblical studies we can see its effects. This is most noticeable in the subject which we have been examining recently, the Biblical Canon. Put briefly, there is a new orthodoxy to the effect that the Canon dates from the fourth century AD. and is the result of one type of Christianity triumphing and crushing others. At its most extreme it appears in allegations that the Emperor Constantine “chose” the Canon, but its influence is evident in more reasonable quarters, and two of its most prominent proponents are Bart Ehrman and Elaine Pagels, who have popularised the idea that there was a huge diversity of “choice” in terms of “Gospels” in the early days of the Church. This was gradually closed down by, well take your choice from Patriarchy/Imperialism/Bigotry (or even put the three together, according to taste).

This abuts onto our purpose here because, if true, it raises the question of how can we really know which books are and are not Scripture?

It is at this point necessary to qualify, or at least clarify, what is meant by saying that the “Church” tells us what is and is not Canonical.

There are those who will point to the three African Synods, at Hippo Regius in 393, and Carthage in 397 and 419, which affirmed that the Canon was 27 books, a decision enshrined in St Jerome’s Vulgate which became the normative Bible in the West. In response, others will ask “what about the Lost Gospels”? It is here that the charge that the self-styled “orthodox” suppressed “diversity” comes into play.

Two questions arise, which wil be considered in turn. What are these “Lost Gospels” and how was it they were not included in the Canon?

Most modern accounts list up to nine other “Gospels” which date from the second century: the Ebionites; the Egyptians; the Hebrews; the Nazoreans; Thomas, Peter; unknown (P. Egerton 2, in the jargon); Judas; and the Infancy Gospel of James. Dating is difficult given the fragmentary sources, but most authorities put these books in the early second century, which dates them later than the four Gospels we receive. These “Gospels” were not unknown to the early Church, and long before the African Synods, none of them were included in the listings we have from the Fathers. This was not because someone somewhere suppressed them, it was because they were not “received.” what does that mean?

The “diversity” orthodoxy is partisan in that in dissenting from orthodoxy, it does what dissent often does, which is to overstate the nature of orthodoxy. Proceeding as it does from the underlying assumption that “diversity” is good and “orthodoxy” bad, it goes on to assume that the proponents of orthodoxy were as committed to propagating their unified view as they, in our time, are. But that is a category error. It is perfectly possible for a group of scholars to share a common view and to stick to their own orthodoxy; the idea that an early Church scattered across the Mediterranean and what we call the Middle East could do the same thing across a few centuries requires more evidence if we are to believe it. If one takes, as some of the modern scholars seem to, the view that those who won what they clearly see as an early Christian version of the “culture wars”, then one can provide a way of adjusting the past to fit your theory; the problem is, as ever, that the pasrt, like the early church, is too messy to be tidied up in this way. That has never stopped scholars from making the attempt, but absent the need to trumpet the importance of “diversity”, most scholars assumed that orthodoxy preceded heterodoxy, not the other way around.

Let us first tackle the idea of “orthodoxy”. The critics, who see it as a rigid, book-burning exercise in triumphal bigotry, overestimate what it meant. It is as though, emphasising as they do that early Christianity was more “diverse” than they had been led to believe, they swing too far in the opposite direction when describing orthodoxy. There is a good reason for this. If you are going to go on to argue that the “orthodox” ruthlessly tidied up the past to explain why your “Lost Gospels” were “lost”, then it follows that they were “rigid.” If that is how you see something called “the Church,” and it is how many in the West see what they might call the “Roman Catholic Church”, then confirmation bias sets in. It is not, after all, as though that Church is free of what is, by contemporary standards, an intolerant attitude toward heterodoxy. But whether it is wise to extrapolate from Pius IX to the first or second century church might be a question to ask before unconsciously so doing?

We can see “diversity” in the early church without going so far as including “Gospels” all our early witnesses exclude. Of course, if one wishes to categorise every early witness as biased because they were “orthodox’, then that gives rise to the question of what early witnesses exist for the advocates of “diversity’? Here, the problem tends to be that those witnesses are known only because of the “Fathers” whose works cite them, which in turn, raises the question of why, once “orthodoxy” had won, all such references were not ruthlessly expunged? Surely the argument cannot be broad enough to comprehend an “orthodoxy” ruthless enough to destroy and suppress heretical texts, but clueless enough to allow references to them to exist in the “Church Fathers”?

The “Church Fathers” who are uniform in identifying four Gospels begin with the pupil of a pupil of St John, namely Irenaeus. Born in Smryna around 115 AD., he studied with St Polycarp who had been a disciple of St John. As Bishop of Lyons, he was concerned by “Gnostic” teachings which claimed to be “secret” sayings of Jesus. Seeing this as that “other Gospel” mentioned by Paul, he wrote a treatise, Adversus Haereses to refute this teaching, in the process of which he cited the four Gospels we know and every book we receive as Canon save, Philemon, 2 Peter, 3 John, and Jude. His account of what the “Gnostics” believed was taken by some in previous generations of scholars to somewhat over-state the case, but the discovery and translation of the Nag Hammadi fragments has shown that he accurately recorded their teachings. For Irenaeus the error of the Gnostics was that they were departing from what had been received.

No one has argued that by the time Irenaeus wrote, probably around 180, there had been any Council or Synod pronouncing on the Canon, and no one who has read him has ever argued that there was anything radical or novel about Irenaeus. He is stating what he had received from Polycarp and the Church is Smyrna, Rome and Lyons We find the same in the writings of Hippolytus in the early second century, who cites only four Gospels, the ones received by Irenaeus.

We see the same pattern in the works of Clement of Alexandria, where the emphasis on the fourfold nature of the Gospels is even more impressive because he does cite the Gospel of the Egyptians and the Gospel of the Hebrews, as well as other Christian works such as the Shepherd of Hermas. This may well reflect the very different cultures of Lyons, a frontier city on the edge of the Roman Empire, and Alexandria, the intellectual powerhouse of the ancient world. But if we examine Clement’s texts, he quotes from the Gospel of the Egyptians eight times, and from the Gospel of the Hebrews thrice. He cites Matthew 757 times, Luke 402 times, John 33 times and Mark 182 times. The other “lost gospels” get a grand total of no citations. In his Stromateis (3.13.93), when pointing out erroneous teaching he writes: “In the first place we have not got the saying in the four Gospels that have been handed down to us, but in the Gospel according to the Egyptians”, which tells us what he thought of it as a source.

The first of the great Christian historians, Eusebius of Caesarea, who wrote in the early fourth century, has access to a text by Clement which has since disappeared (another example, no doubt iof the inefficiency of the ruthless “orthodox”?) called the Hypotyposeis in which Clement repeats a tradition about the four Gospels which he had received from the “elders” to the effect that Matthew and Luke were the first to be written, that Mark was written for those in Rome who had heard Peter preaching and wanted a record of it, and that John, “last of all” had written a “spiritual Gospel.” This was not a tradition derived from Irenaeus, but was from the same source – the tradition handed down from the “elders.”

These examples could be multiplied, and those who want more should go to Charles Hill’s excellent “Who chose the Gospels?” But the point is made. There were other “gospels” but they were not received because they were not attested to by tradition. This leads to the final part of this short series, which is whether it makes sense even to talk about “orthodoxy” in the early Church?

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Choosing Scripture (2) Gospel Truth?

29 Wednesday Jul 2020

Posted by John Charmley in Bible, Catholic Tradition, Faith, St John, St Luke's Gospel, St Mark's Gospel

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Trying to summarise the vast amount of scholarship on the New Testament is an enterprise to be understaken with huge caution, and something probably only to be done with prayer. That said, what follows reflects what I perceive to be broad consensus. That is not the same as saying there is complete agreement – in what field of scholarship is that ever so?

The spectrum is vast: at one end are those who would tells us that the Gospels are written by Sts Mark, Matthew, Luke and John (in that order, except for those who have Matthew first), between about 60 AD. and the year 100 AD; at the other end are those who would say that none of that is true and that they are collections of writings given Apostolic names for a variety of reasons, and that we can”t say anything much about dating other than that they are at best, late first century and possibly early to mid second century AD.; in between there are those who, to take one of my favourites, would argue that “John” is written by John, but not that John, but by another chap of the same name; reminds me of Homer and the Illiad. So what can be said in short compass without either wearying the reader or simplyfying to the point of misrepresentation?

At the end of this I append a list books which have helped guide me and from which I derive what I write here.* I am an historian, not a Scripture scholar, and my Latin and Greek are not what they were. But enough, let us press on.

For many centuries, and indeed until recent times, it was the fashion to say that Mark’s Gospel was “primitive”, a collection of sayings recorded in rather rustic Greek which acted as a source for Sts Matthew and Luke. More recent scholarship has taken a less dismissive view and has tended to recognise that far from being a somewhat defective “biography” it is a different genre, one which has no real precedent.

Papias, one of the earliest Christian writers who died around 130 AD. called Mark  Peter’s interpreter”, telling is that he:

wrote accurately all that he remembered, not, indeed, in order, of the things said and done by the Lord. For he had not heard the Lord, nor had followed him, but later on, followed Peter, who used to give teaching as necessity demanded but not making, as it were, an arrangement of the Lord’s oracles, so that Mark did nothing wrong in thus writing down single points as he remembered them.

Irenaeus, who lived in the next generation, recorded the same tradition, and Justin Martyr, who wrote in the 140s AD., called Mark’s Gospel the “memoir” of St Peter. Mark himself has long been identified with what is now the Coptic Church, and some have said he was that “John Mark” who fled naked from the garden at Gethsemene, and who later appears in the Acts of the Apostles and elsewhere [Acts 12:23-13:13, 15:36-39; Colossians 4:10; 2 Timothy 4:11; and 1 Peter 5:13.} as a companion of St Paul. Others have said differently, although with Tertullian and Origen all identifying Mark with Peter, the tradition is strong, although of course they could all be relying on Papias, but as they do not quote him elsewhere, that seems a little unlikely. What we do know is that from the very earliest times Mark’s account was accepted as a record of St Peter’s testimony and preaching.

It isPapias to whom we owe the identification of the writer of the Gospel attributed to St Matthew. The problem here is that the text is ambiguous:

Matthew compiled (or ‘arranged,’ or ‘composed’) the logia (‘oracles,’ ‘sayings’ or perhaps ‘gospel’) in the Hebrew (or, ‘Aramaic’) language (or, ‘style’?), and everyone interpreted (or, ‘translated’) them as best they could.

He identifies this “Matthew” with the tax collector the other Synoptics call “Levi,” although later commentators doubt this, reasoning that if the author had been an Apostle he would hardly have relied as heavily as he did on Mark’s Gospel. On the other hand, if he was the “Levi” mentioned, and knew that Mark was Peter’s “interpreter”, he might have had good reason to use him as a source. Papias’ comment is not helpful either, because if, as he seems to say, the original of Matthew was in Aramaic, then it does not explain why the text we have reads more like a Greek original. Of course, it may be that Matthew’s original in Aramaic was adapted and used as the basis for the Gospel we have, making that original the famous Q source which scholars think is a lost “sayings” text which Luke and Matthew used as well as Mark. Whatever the truth of the matter, it remains the case that as far back as we can trace tradition, “Matthew’s” Gospel was treated as Canon.

The same is true of St Luke’s two books. It is purely accidental that “Acts” does not follow on from Luke’s Gospel as they are clearly by the same author. Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen, and others all list Luke as the person mentioned throughout Paul’s letters (Colossians 4:7–17, Philemon 24, and 2 Timothy 4:11), from which we learn that he was a doctor. The interest he takes in how Gentiles respond to the Good News adds weight to the view that he was a Gentile, perhaps one of the “God fearers” who attended Synagogue. He tells us at the beginning of his Gospel that he has done a lot of research, and it seems clear that among his sources were either Mary of Nazareth or else others from the wider family of Jesus, as events such as the Annunciation can only have come from such a close source. As for when it was written, most scholars date it to after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD., but it may date from as early as the following decade.

That takes us to the most majestic and mysterious and poetic of the Gospels, that of John. The scholarship here is even more contested than for the Synoptics, and it was the Gospel least widely received in the early Church because of its association with heretical movements, a reading which gathers some strength from the schisms in the Johannine community about which we learn in 2 John. There are those who think it the last of the Gospels, there are a smaller number who think it was the first. As it seems to have been finished by a later hand, or hands, there is no intrinsic reason why both hypotheses might not be true, of course. Papias tells us about two men called John, or at least he writes about the “Apostle” and the “Elder,” who may, of course, be the same man, as Apostles were Elders! Opinion is split, with some very eminent scholars opting for John “the Elder” and others opting for the Apostle, and some for someone else called John! But amidst these debate, no one contests that the Gospel was part of the Canon from early in the history of the Faith.

So, to sum up. What we do know is that the early Church Fathers received only Four Gospels as the Canon of faith, and by 200 AD. we know they were bound together as a Codex. Long before there were any Church Councils, the Church knew which texts were Canon and named the authors. But what, you might say, of other so-called Gospels? It is to that we shall turn next.

*Short Bibliography

JDG Dunn, Ûnity and Diversity in the New Testament (1977)

Austin Farrer, St Matthew and St Mark (1954)

Wayne Gudrum et al (eds.) Understanding Scripture (2012)

Martin Hengel, The Four Gospels and the One Gospel of Jesus Christ (2000)

CE Hill, Who Chose the Gospels? (2010)

Bruce Metzger, The Canon of the New Testament (1987)

Graham N Stanton. The Gospels and Jesus (1989)

 

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Choosing Scripture (1) Canon

28 Tuesday Jul 2020

Posted by John Charmley in Bible, Early Church, Faith, Reading the BIble

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How do we know what is “Scripture”? Despite the ingenious answer of our long-time commentator, Bosco, that “it’s in the contents page,” that is not the right answer. Indeed, one question we need to pose at the start is whether the Evangelists knew that they were writing “Scripture”? Even before that we need to ask how we know who wrote the Gospels? Since the answer in both cases is “the Church” we also need to know what that means? This is not just to combat the anti-Catholic gut instinct which recoils from the idea, but also to combat the conspiracy theorists who claim that we owe the Bible to some nefarious work under the Emperor Constantine.

The first thing to note here is that when the Evangelists wrote they knew what they meant by “scripture”, it was what we call the Old Testament. The Law, the Prophets and the Writings, the three divisions of the Hebrew Bible were at the heart of Jewish culture and all Jews would have been versed in them. We know that about 85 A.D. there was a council at Jamnia which decided what books were canonical, but most scholars agree that simply ratified long practice – something which, as we shall see, was true of what we call the New Testament too.

The first part of Jewish Scripture, the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Old Testment were substantially complerte by the fifth century B.C., but may date back even earlier. The Prophets and the Writings date back to about 165 B.C. As the Jewish author Josephus, writing in the first century AD. put it: “We do not possess  myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other, our books, those which are justly accredited, are but two and twenty.” At Jamnia there was a pruning process which excluded writings classed .as apochrypha. There were two common forms of Scripture.

Some time in the third century BC. the large Jewish population in Alexandria produced what we call the Septuagint, that was a Greek translation of the Jewish Scriptures designed to meet the need of the already numerous diaspora. The original Septuagint included only the Books of the Law, the rest of the Old Testament was translated by the early Christians as a service to those coming to the Faith.

The Jews regarded these books as inspired by God and the list of books was seen as a rule of faith – the Greek kanon means a measuring rod or a rule. It was not until the fourth century AD. that the word came to be used to describe the list of Christian books which contained the rule of faith. To be clear, the Canon reflected a consensus on the books already in circulation in the early Church, and as at Jamnia, the Canon reflected the choices made by that Church. There was no grand Council at which learned men argued the case for book x or book y, there was no choice between the “Gospel of Thomas” and the “Gospel of Mark” at which the latter was accepted and the former rejected; what they was instead was a recognition of what the early Church considered to be the Canon, or the rule of faith which summed up Christian teaching. That is a vital point to bear in mind. What we call the New Testment did for Christians what the Old Testament did for the Jewsm which is to act as a summary of Christian teaching; the Old Testament books had also been accepted for the same reason, they were vital to understanding what one writer called “the memoirs of the Apostles.”

It is, as so often, St Paul, in the earliest of the writings which comprise the Canon, who sets out its purpose. Writing to the Colossiansas early as thirty years after the crucifixion, he tells them that Jesus is “the image of the God we cannot see”, the “one by whom all things were made” and for whom they were created. He tells the Corinthians that they are the “body of Christ,” and that, as he told the Colossians, Jesus is the Head of that Church: “For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead [f]bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all [g]principality and power.” Even earlier, in the 50s, Paul had told the Philippians that:

Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

What a huge claim! But that is what the early Christians believed, it was not added later by others, it was there from the start. We see it in St Mark’s opening words: “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. St Matthew is at pains to point out in his first chapter that Jesus’ name means “God with us.” We see the same in Luke and John. This was the dinstinctive Christian message – all authority on Heaven and Earth had been given to Jesus – He is Lord and God. That being so, the followers of Jesus saw His words as Scripture and naturally did what the Jews had done with the Old Testament, they wrote down His teachings. It has been plausibly argued that Paul’s first letter to Timothy is the first sign that Christian writings could be considered Scripture.

The idea of the Canon was there from the start in the form of what we call the Old Testament, and such was the impact of the Risen Christ that His early followers accorded the same status to the writings of the Apostles – and it is to that we turn next.

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Free speech?

10 Tuesday Jun 2014

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Church/State, Faith

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A good friend of AATW, cumlazaro has commented, apropos my last post:

And Christians need to be worried that the government will be coming for our ‘homophobia and misogyny’ next

This is spot on. I get tired of being accused of ‘thin end of the wedge’ arguments; this is because there is a thin end of the wedge, and repeatedly it has been used by the liberal elites to slide something past the electorate which, had they admitted their real agenda, would have been thrown out. So, when they introduced the ‘civil partnerships’ bill, my argument was that whilst fine in itself, it would be used to change the nature of marriage. “Nonsense” I was told, “no, no, quite the opposite, it will settle the issue by giving homosexuals the same legal rights as heterosexuals”; and what happened? What I, and others said would, and what all the wise liberals pooh-poohed. The same was true with the whole issue of freedom of speech. I recall being accused of racism when I opposed the criminalising of so-called “hate speech”. Now it is a catch all for anything which your average Guardian reader finds offensive. As I recently told someone who told me she found something I had said ‘offensive’; that ‘is your problem, deal with it.’

Whatever some of the clever folk who contribute to this blog have written, the plain fact is that Scripture tells us homosexual activity is sinful. I believe that on the basis of Scripture. My own visceral distaste for buggery is neither here nor there; Scripture’s condemnation of it is. If it is, as I suspect it is, ‘hate speech’ to say so, well I dare say it, and if they come to feel my collar, so be it.

The really radical and ‘counter-cultural’ option nowadays is orthodox Christianity. Liberals are explaining it all away, God is love, he loves us all, even those robbing, raping and disobeying his laws? Really? Yes, of course He loves them, but He calls them to repent, and I am performing no act of love towards them by pretending that what they do when they sin is OK. This is not my personal opinion, if it were, it would have the same relativistic force (that is none) as anyone else’s; it is God’s Law. It is a matter of salvation. How shall I stand before my God and say that I was ashamed to confess Him in public because my defence of His laws might have been seen as ‘inappropriate’? (Was there ever a more weasel word?)

I am not saying everyone has to abide by God’s law, but I am warning of the consequences if they don’t; but I’d better not put up a poster in Norfolk saying that as they would come for me and threaten to prosecute me. It may simply be that we have to defend our position and let them prosecute us. Back in 1874 the Disraeli Government passed a very silly law ‘banning; what they called ‘ritualism’; banging up holy parson discredited the act in the eyes of the public and soon they stopped using it. We may have to go in the same direction. If so, bring it on. My ancestors were put in the stocks for denying the Anglican Church; the very least I can do is to follow their example.

British values? Mealy-mouthed conformism, weasel-words and hypocrisy. I reject the lot of them.

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Gospel 4th Sunday of Easter Year A

11 Sunday May 2014

Posted by John Charmley in Bible, Easter, Faith

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John 10:1-10

Chrysostom asks us to observe the marks of the robber: he does not enter openly, and he does not enter according to the Scriptures, which are the door. The Shepherd guards us and does not let the wolves come after us; Scripture is a sure door which bars the passage against heretics; by Scripture we can know what is and is not truth. St Augustine reminds us that the sheepfold in the Church; whoever would enter by the sheepfold, let him enter by the door and preach Christ; but let him seek the glory of Christ, not his own. The one who imitates the suffering of Christ, who is acquainted with his humility is the one who knows Christ. St Cyril reminds us that the Lord is the door and keeps it and those who guard it for him. We are amidst wolves, and we need our shepherd, who has gone before us and suffered the severest pains which the world has to give. But what do we offer to him?

Augustine asks whether all those who heard Christ’s voice were his sheep? Judas heard, but he was a wolf in sheep’s clothing; and those who crucified him may have heard him, but they were not his sheep. The Lord knows those who are his, even when they do not know they are his. But those that endure to the end shall be saved. If Jesus is the Good Shepherd, he reminds us that there are bad one; there are thieves, robbers and hirelings who will trap the unwary and lead them astray. Those who preach the Gospel but do not live it are false shepherds. He came that we should have life, and if we will follow him, he will guard and guide us.

That those who heard him first did not understand immediately reminds us of the need for a shepherd; we cannot save ourselves, we are lost without Christ. If we listen, we shall hear his voice.

 

 

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Baptising infants

17 Monday Feb 2014

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Bible, Early Church, Faith

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In his interesting piece on this issue, quiavideruntoculi admits there is no Scriptural warrant for infant baptism but provides a list of argument why his church does it all the same. It is always possible to justify to oneself unscriptural practices, and when you’ve raised enough unscriptural practices into your church, you can even fool yourself into thinking that makes it OK; but for me, and for many Baptists, Scripture counts, and you can add what you like, but criticising others for sticking to Scripture seems a little on the odd side of odd. So let me run through why we Baptists practice what we do.

The first reason is obvious; there is no Scriptural warrant for anything else. Yes, it might be the case that infants were baptised, but it is never mentioned. Indeed, when the Council of Jerusalem made it clear that converts dd not have to be circumcised, the Apostles nowhere said that infants must, therefore, be baptised; why not, if, as qvo maintains, baptism i the mark of entry into the church for children as well as adults?

All those we learn of in Scripture who are baptised are after they have come to accept Christ; now, if that was the case with children and babies, we should expect to be told; we aren’t. Are babies able to accept Christ and repent of their sins? Of course not, so all anyone baptizing them is doing is performing an act they think will have some magical effect on the baby. You can’t be numbered among the elect just because your parents say so. Christians enter into a covenant with God – babies cannot do that, and you an I cannot do it for them. It all, frankly, smacks of magic.

I can find no mention in the Didache or Justin Martyr, or any of the early texts of this practice, and for qvo (or is he just quoting some ill-informed rubbish from his own church?) to drag in the Anabaptists as though modern Baptists have any connection with them is unworthy – as he’d know if he’d spent five minutes studying the subject; his practice of telling others what it is they believe is, to be fair to him extended to his own Pope – but in this case is unimpressive – as all arguments from total ignorance are.

The Roman Catholic Church will not allow non-believers to receive communion, as it holds it is a sacrament, but it is quite happy to confer another sacrament on those who do not believe, and indeed, by their condition, cannot do so. Jesus specifically says that those who are believed and baptised will be saved, but of course, what is his word against that of a Pope? Yes, at some point the church began the practice of infant baptism, but that is my argument – that it was not there from the beginning, and to object to Christians following the practice of Jesus is to insist that you know better.

Of course, for those who do know better than the Pope, I guess that’s no problem?

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The Bell Society

Justice for Bishop George Bell of Chichester - Seeking Truth, Unity and Peace

ViaMedia.News

Rediscovering the Middle Ground

Sundry Times Too

a scrap book of words and pictures

grahart

reflections, links and stories.

John Ager's Home on the Web!

reflecting my eclectic (and sometimes erratic) life

... because God is love

wondering, learning, exploring

sharedconversations

Reflecting on sexuality and gender identity in the Church of England

walkonthebeachblog

The Urban Monastery

Work and Prayer

His Light Material

Reflections, comment, explorations on faith, life, church, minstry & meaning.

The Authenticity of Grief

Mental health & loss in the Church

All Along the Watchtower

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you ... John 13:34

Classically Christian

ancient, medieval, byzantine, anglican

Norfolk Tales, Myths & More!

Stories From Norfolk and Beyond - Be They Past, Present, Fact, Fiction, Mythological, Legend or Folklore.

On The Ruin Of Britain

Miscellanies on Religion and Public life

The Beeton Ideal

Gender, Family and Religious History in the Modern Era

KungFuPreacherMan

Faith, life and kick-ass moves

Revd Alice Watson

More beautiful than the honey locust tree are the words of the Lord - Mary Oliver

All Things Lawful And Honest

A blog pertaining to the future of the Church

The Tory Socialist

Blue Labour meets Disraelite Tory meets High Church Socialist

Liturgical Poetry

Poems from life and the church year

Contemplation in the shadow of a carpark

Contmplations for beginners

Gavin Ashenden

Ahavaha

On This Rock Apologetics

The Catholic Faith Defended

sheisredeemedblog

To bring identity and power back to the voice of women

Quodcumque - Serious Christianity

“Whatever you do, do it with your whole heart.” ( Colossians 3: 23 ) - The blog of Father Richard Peers SMMS, Director of Education for the Diocese of Liverpool

ignatius his conclave

Nick Cohen: Writing from London

Journalism from London.

Ratiocinativa

Mining the collective unconscious

Grace sent Justice bound

“Love recognizes no barriers. It jumps hurdles, leaps fences, penetrates walls to arrive at its destination full of hope.” — Maya Angelou

Eccles is saved

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you ... John 13:34

Elizaphanian

“I come not from Heaven, but from Essex.”

News for Catholics

Annie

Blessed be God forever.

Dominus Mihi Adjutor

A Monk on the Mission

christeeleisonblog.wordpress.com/

“The harvest is abundant but the laborers are few" Luke 10:2

Malcolm Guite

Blog for poet and singer-songwriter Malcolm Guite

Bishop's Encyclopedia of Religion, Society and Philosophy

The Site of James Bishop (CBC, TESOL, Psych., BTh, Hon., MA., PhD candidate)

LIVING GOD

Reflections from the Dean of Southwark

tiberjudy

Happy. Southern. Catholic.

maggi dawn

thoughtfullydetached

A Tribe Called Anglican

"...a fellowship, within the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church..."

Living Eucharist

A daily blog to deepen our participation in Mass

The Liturgical Theologian

legem credendi lex statuat supplicandi

Tales from the Valley

"Not all those who wander are lost"- J.R.R. Tolkien

iconismus

Pictures by Catherine Young

Men Are Like Wine

Acts of the Apostasy

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