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Baptism

11 Saturday Jul 2020

Posted by John Charmley in Faith

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The topic of Baptism has been current here this week, as it has on my Twitter-feed. where Fr Angela Rayner raised the issue of whether the Church of England should be open to all who want their child baptised, or whether conditions, such as attendance at classes and Church should be set. I agreed with those who thought the latter a bad thing, and in so doing, I did what I seldom do on Twitter, which was to say something about myself. But it may be worth elaborating on this to explain why I take the view I do.

My father, who had been “raised” (and I used the word in its loosest sense as I use the noun which follows) in a “Christian” orphanage had what amounted to a visceral distrust and dislike of Christianity. The fruits of the “care” he had received were bitter in his mouth. My maternal grandmother was a good chapel-going widow of the old Yorkshire school, and the Calvinist gloom of that experience left my mother alientated but ambivalent. At home she had been forced to go and disliked it. Nonetheless, once she married and moved away, although she stopped going to chapel, she had been brought up to believe that her children should be baptised. So it was that, just over a month after my birth, I was baptised on Christmas Day.

That experience did not prompt my mother to go to church regularly, but after the birth of my youngest brother, she started to go to a local Methodist Church. My father, a man of the old patriarchal school, was not best pleased, and his displeasure was, as usual, vocalised; but still she went, often not telling him. I don’t know why she went, any more than I know why she stopped going after about a year, though I can guess at the answer to both.

My memory is of a wall with a communion table in front of it and a banner along it in blue and gold which stated: “God is love.” I have no idea why that made sense to me, but it brought the five year old me great comfort. I loved Sunday School where I learned about interesting people such as Zachaeus, about whom we sang. I liked him because back then I was quite small for my age, and it felt good to know that Jesus liked short people, and that naughty people were welcome, provided they said they would be good in future (and did it). Thus the reasoning of the child.

I can’t remember much about the crucifixion; it certainly was not emphasised. Jesus died, we were told, to save us all, and He did so because He loved us. I loved Him too. Although a perpetually questioning child (to my father’s vocal displeasure) I saw no reason to question any of this. The deepest instinct in me told me that was right. Then, after no more than a year and a half at most, my father put his foot down; no more church. His word was law, and so there was no more church.

Oddly, he persisted in this stance despite one of the formative events of that period of our family life. The birth of a daughter left my mother weak, and the insistence that she should take “the pill” to avoid any more children, led to a stroke; no one had warned my parents of the dangers. My mother was whisked back home to her mother, where she remained for a year. This coincided with a prolonged dock strike which left my father with three sons to care for and no regular income. The weekly visit of the Methodist Minister with food parcels was something I looked forward to, not just for the obvious reason, but also because he was a kind man. My father accepted the food with bad grace, but resiled not a jot from his dislike of Christianity and his belief that all Christians were hypocrites. His childhood experiences had bitten too deep for even this act of selfless kindness to touch his heart; but it touched mine.

Yet, unchurched though I was from that point on, I knew God was there, just not how to access Him except through the Lord’s prayer. What that did mean, however, was that when, at University, the chance to go to church again was offered, I was able to take it.

My own children were baptised and taken to church as a matter of course until they reached confirmation age, at which point they decided for themselves; one is an Independent Baptist pastor, his twin brother exercises a lay ministry with regular preaching. My pride in them is immense. The bread is cast upon the waters … .

One can debate and discuss infant baptism and whether or not the Church ought to put conditions on it, all I can say is that I remain profoundly grateful to the unknown Minister who baptised me on Christmas Day. I like to think that he knew in his heart that his action was what God wanted. It may be unwise, or theologically illterate to generalise from personal experience, but there are times when I feel it necessary; this is one of them.

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Baptism revisted

17 Monday Feb 2014

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Bible, Early Church, Faith

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I am grateful for (most of) the comments on my last post, and they have made me think.  I want to take the comments of Joseph because they incorporate those made by other excellent posters, and because, as usual with Joseph, they are well-thought through and deserve respect.

When he writes about the ‘real, sacramental efficacy’ of baptism, he adds:

it washes away the sins of a believer, puts to death his sinful body through Christ’s death on the cross and raises him to new life (Rom 6:3–5, Titus 3:4–7, Acts 22:16, etc.), and it baptizes him into the Body of Christ, makes him a member of the Body and of the New Covenant (Rom 6:3, Gal 3:27, 1 Cor 12:13, etc.). In Colossians 2:8–15 Paul plainly presents Baptism as “the Circumcision of Christ,” the entrance into Christ’s covenant — and Circumcision is not a rite to be denied to infants.

I agree; indeed so much so that for me that is why a mewling infant cannot receive this baptism. If it really did replace circumcision, why are we not told that in reports from the Council of Jerusalem?

When he writes:

Just because no infants are explicitly described as being baptized doesn’t mean that they were not. You may notice that for the most part, infants — even less than women — don’t have much agency in the Bible and generally aren’t noticed.

I find the follow ups unconvincing. Yes, Jesus wanted the children brought to him – but to say that means he wants them baptised falls in the face of the obvious fact that he baptised no child. Unless someone wants to make the argument that all households include children, it is not sufficient to insist that there might have been. As for Colossians 3:20, again, there is no statement here that the children had been baptised. I cannot see that in other circumstances a scholar as careful as Joseph would be convinced by arguments from silence. After all, we have no unequivocal statement that there were no female Apostles, or that women cannot be priests, and yet I doubt he or any other orthodox Roman Catholic would be convinced by such an argument; yet he expects me to be convinced by its analogue?

I like the Irenaeus quotation, but it would be convincing only if Joseph had not to add that in his opinion it contains a clear reference to baptism; had that been so the saint would have said so. To me this is clear eisegesis. One thinks it ought to be referring to that, indeed from one’s own understanding it is, therefore, of course, it refers to baptism; if so he would have said so and not left it to be inferred. Again, at best, we have that argument from silence – ‘there is nothing in them that would deny Baptism to infants’; there is nothing there that says a woman cannot be a priest either.

Nor, much though I love children (having five of my own and a grandchild) am I convinced by arguments from sentimentality. I’ve seen infants squall the house down, wet themselves and be sick; I wouldn’t use it as an argument against the unscriptural practice of infant baptism.

I have witnessed many infant Baptisms, and despite the arguments of some that infants cannot have saving faith — I have never seen such a pure, loving, childlike faith as that of an infant being held in her mother’s arms. We believe than in Baptism, Jesus Himself comes to wash us — and I have never seen a baby who would reject His loving embrace.

Finally, I turn to Bruvver Eccles (you couldn’t take Bosco back could you?) and his kind reference to a good Catholic site. I see 1 Peter 3:21 and again, see something being read into it. Nowhere are we told in Scripture that any infant was baptised, and those who argue from silence really need to explain why the same argument to do with women as priests isn’t as valid? As for the other verse cited, Acts 2:38, I see it as supporting my position:

38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Does anyone really suppose Peter was asking babies to do this? The promise is indeed to children, but unless one supposes all children are babies, again, people are reading into ti something which is not there.

I am far from arguing sola scriptura and indeed, understand the Catholic and Orthodox view, but I am arguing here that the Baptist position is entirely defensible – and does not require any mental gymnastics.

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Baptising infants

17 Monday Feb 2014

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Bible, Early Church, Faith

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In his interesting piece on this issue, quiavideruntoculi admits there is no Scriptural warrant for infant baptism but provides a list of argument why his church does it all the same. It is always possible to justify to oneself unscriptural practices, and when you’ve raised enough unscriptural practices into your church, you can even fool yourself into thinking that makes it OK; but for me, and for many Baptists, Scripture counts, and you can add what you like, but criticising others for sticking to Scripture seems a little on the odd side of odd. So let me run through why we Baptists practice what we do.

The first reason is obvious; there is no Scriptural warrant for anything else. Yes, it might be the case that infants were baptised, but it is never mentioned. Indeed, when the Council of Jerusalem made it clear that converts dd not have to be circumcised, the Apostles nowhere said that infants must, therefore, be baptised; why not, if, as qvo maintains, baptism i the mark of entry into the church for children as well as adults?

All those we learn of in Scripture who are baptised are after they have come to accept Christ; now, if that was the case with children and babies, we should expect to be told; we aren’t. Are babies able to accept Christ and repent of their sins? Of course not, so all anyone baptizing them is doing is performing an act they think will have some magical effect on the baby. You can’t be numbered among the elect just because your parents say so. Christians enter into a covenant with God – babies cannot do that, and you an I cannot do it for them. It all, frankly, smacks of magic.

I can find no mention in the Didache or Justin Martyr, or any of the early texts of this practice, and for qvo (or is he just quoting some ill-informed rubbish from his own church?) to drag in the Anabaptists as though modern Baptists have any connection with them is unworthy – as he’d know if he’d spent five minutes studying the subject; his practice of telling others what it is they believe is, to be fair to him extended to his own Pope – but in this case is unimpressive – as all arguments from total ignorance are.

The Roman Catholic Church will not allow non-believers to receive communion, as it holds it is a sacrament, but it is quite happy to confer another sacrament on those who do not believe, and indeed, by their condition, cannot do so. Jesus specifically says that those who are believed and baptised will be saved, but of course, what is his word against that of a Pope? Yes, at some point the church began the practice of infant baptism, but that is my argument – that it was not there from the beginning, and to object to Christians following the practice of Jesus is to insist that you know better.

Of course, for those who do know better than the Pope, I guess that’s no problem?

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