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‘Fr Phil’ sets the record straight

03 Saturday Aug 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Faith, Satire

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Christianity, heresy, sin

rev philIt would seem as though my last couple of posts have had the effect of poking Farver Phil back to life, and here’s his latest.


How old-fashioned can you be?  It is obvious that if you use the words ‘God of Abraham’ you mean that all the Abrahamic faiths believe in the same God. Trinitarian Christians have this insistence about a ‘Trinity’, and if you let them, they’ll come up with all these dead white blokes from ancient history using incomprehensible language; best of luck with that, Pope Frankie isn’t going to let that get in his way, any more than I will.  Apart from anything else, such language isn’t inclusive, as it fails to include Binitarian Christians or Unitarian ones.

Fortunately, good old Vat 2 put us on the right track.  It recognised the obvious – that ‘God’ word is used by many, and when you come to think about it, if you believe in God, what you believe in has to be part of the One God – coz that’s the only God that there is, even if you see him in Shiva and Ganesh – they’re all part of the One God, and as I’ve said to many Pastafarians (Google it daddio), God is indeed like a bowl of pasta, in so many ways, when you come to think about it, indeed, I was watching a telly prog the other evening where you could see that those Pagan with their worshipping the Sun were really acknoledging the oneness of all.

Me, I’m at one with the new Dean at Washington National Cathedral, who has pushed me even further to where I’ve always been going, not least with this brilliant summary:

“I don’t want to be loosey-goosey about it,” he says, “but I describe myself as a non-theistic Christian.”

And he goes on to expand on the concept.

“Jesus doesn’t use the word God very much,” he says. “He talks about his Father.”

Hall explains: “Where I am now, how do I understand Jesus as a son of God that’s not magical? I’m trying to figure out Jesus as a son of God and a fully human being, if he has both fully human and a fully divine set of chromosomes. . . . He’s not some kind of superman coming down. God is present in all human beings. Jesus was an extraordinary human being. Jesus didn’t try to convert. He just had people at his table.”

That’s a cool definition of not being ‘loosey-goosey’ – couldn’t be any looser if the wing-nut had come off – that’s how I like ’em.  And he sure gets into the zone when he says:

“We’re in a period where people under 50 don’t see the church as a credible place to explore their questions about God.”

I wonder why that can be given good priests like the new Dean. Still, we can, as he does, take comfiort in the fact that the culture to which his church belongs is dying and it with it – I guess that’s what happens when your church is monocultural.

Still, all the more room for me and the guys down at the interfaith cntre, where we know that from Buddha to Big Brothers, all are one in the great One and All, as the great Meanie put it.

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The Rev & Rome

07 Sunday Jul 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Faith, Satire

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Catholic Church, Christianity, heresy, sin

Is this my colour?

Is this my colour?

In news which will no doubt be greeted with acclaim from the environs of Ecclestone Square and all followers of the hermeneutic of rupture, the Rev Phil writes:

It came to me the other day that all this denominational stuff isn’t necessary. We’re all Christians, belonging to the Universal Church. When I told my friend Micky that she said that made me a Catholic then, and let’s face it I have all the qualifications. I know no Latin (and hate it), I love concrete churches and tables in the middle, I adore liturgical dancing and frolicking in the aisles (though I prefer no aisles at all), and I like that groovy book they came up with in the 70s with all the stuff about what we believe in place of that musty old creed. I am, as you all know, a great devotee of tradition – the 70s is where it was, is, and (for me and for many) will always be where it is at. Jesus loves us all, and so like him, I believe in gay masses, gay priests and lady bishops; so come on folks, I am so Catholic I might as well have a column in The Tablet.

Me and Kung are like, so close in the way we think – away with all the boring crap about dogma and doctrine (and what’s the diff and who cares anyhow?) and let us make that Gospel of love as relevant as it was when Jesus was hanging in the hood with the ‘postles and his biatches. That’s me and Hans, and old Cadbury’s Caramac, or whatever the large old bloke I bumped into the other day is called. He was a groover – in the groove with Pope Frankie, and with it all happenin in the Vatican, where else would you expect me to be? I am taking the name of Farver Phil, which is a postmodern ironic commentary on the patriarchy, and I shall be writing to my usual bloggs under that name (until I am banned at the orders of evil people) telling them what we Catholics believe, and mocking those oldies who think Latin ‘relevant’. I may take to Tweeting and a teasing those oldies – using my poota skills to track ’em down and denounce them to their bishops (what else are bishops for, eh?). Failing that, I shall leave nasty messages on their sites telling them what will happen if they try to behave as I do; we can’t have everyone defending the sounds of the 70s, after all.

But aren’t people funny? When I told a friend I was now a Catholic, he asked whether I had joined the RAC? WTF does joining a motoring organisation to do with the fact that I have decided I am a Catholic? You have to wonder! I told him to get with it.

The same fellow told me that Catholics opposed contraception, but I pointed out most of them used it, so they were just like me – economical with the truth because we wouldn’t want to spoil it with over familiarity. I am all in favour of doing as you want, I told him, after all, if a girl gets up the duff, she can always have an abortion on demand thanks to the wonder of the NHS which this awful Government hates so much. I’m there with all those who campaign in the name of the Gospel to replace this Government with one which will be committed to social justice.

So, I will be sending a fraternal letter to Vince in Westminster (how come he has time to be a Liberal Democrat Minister too – formidable bloke) telling him the good news. I gather there’s a lot of vacant bishoprics at the moment, well, if it will help out, I’ll take one on – hey, can’t do a worse job than some of these old bozos. In due time, if asked, I’ll be very happy to do a bit of Poping – after all the guy now in the chair is getting on – and I’m not married to the woman with whom I occasionally live.

Now the Catholic church has the benefit of my experience, I am sure I can help it realise its full potential – so stay tuned. We are church, as the prophet said – and some of us are more like bricks than others. Indeed, only the other day as I was a preaching and a teaching, I heard a bloke say what a brick I was – he could see at a glance exactly what I was.

I think a letter to the old Bish of Rome may be in order – after all, I like to be helpful.

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Dialogue of dialogues

26 Wednesday Jun 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Faith, Satire

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Christianity, heresy, sin

aquariusWe are fortunate in having access to another of the Rev. Phil Cringeworthy’s talks – this one is entitled:

Dialogue of dialogues among the saved, the not so saved and the interminably confused.

All is dialogue sayeth the preacher. Well, that is as it should be, for the gift of tongues allows us to find what binds us, and that, surely, is the sense of fun we have at being alive in this, God’s world, and you don’t even have to believe in God, or Gods to be part of the fun – just shimmy on down to your local worship centre and give thanks to yourself for being the best you can be. Be careful though, won’t you, because there are still (I am told) church places where you only get to sit in rows like some school from the olden days, where white men jaw at you. Look out for one of those happening places where participation is all – it’s what we do best here at the Apostate of St Daryl’s.

As the good people will tell you, when Rev Phil here took over, this was a dump – had a great lump of stone at the end of the worship centre, and it was full of candles, like an old Ronnie Barker sketch – I ask you?  Well, we chucked those, and those pew things, right out, got the walls painted with rainbows and we’ve never looked back – from the Friday night raves to the Saturday night raves, it’s all going on here. It’s all about getting in touch with your inner self.

We’re hosting a special visitor next week – a brand new speaker, a man from the church of Baal. Now then, some of you will know that Baal gets a bum rap from those old Israelites, who were, lets face it, a narrow-minded bunch, and talk about a lack of diversity, they only had one god – not like the Canaanites, who had regular raves with Baal. Did I hear someone mention blood-sacrifices?  Come on folks, get with it – you can see worse down the high street on Saturday night – and remember, these people knew how to worship with feeling.  I’m sure we have everything to learn from dialoguing with Baal – and when you think how his followers have been treated across the centuries – well, I hope you’ll see just how forgiving Baal is – a lesson there for us all.

Here at the Apostate, we know how to have a good time too, and we’ll be doing our version of ‘Shine Jesus Shine’ – but, hey wait for it – Gangam style – you won’t want to be missing out on that now.

What matters is that we are relevant to the things that really concern people in the real world – their i-pads and iPods, their mobile phones and their x boxes, not, of course, forgetting social justice and the rights of the trans-gendered to use whichever bath room they like. And to those who ask what about God, well we’re sure that with his love for everything, he, or she, would approve – it isn’t about getting on your knees to say sorry for what you can’t help being – it’s about getting on your feet and praising Baal or whatever.

Be there – or be square.

I am sure you will all join me in hoping that the Rev Phil finds himself in the place he deserves.

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Back to Basics?

20 Thursday Jun 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Bible, Faith, Marian devotion

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Catholic Church, Christianity, controversy, Grace, heresy

redeemed-and-forgivenOver at the ever-excellent ‘Twisted Crown of Thorns’ there is an excellent quiz on basic Christian doctrine. Apart from the occasional Protestant misunderstanding of what the Catholic Church teaches, it is an excellent refresher, not least for Bosco, because the answers explain very plainly why the incorrect belief (or heresy) is so damaging.

The one which Michael himself says is a trick question is this one:

7. The only way we can be saved is by the perfect conformity to the law of God.

It is the only one where he and I disagreed (question 12, which is where he misunderstand Catholic teaching, we agreed on, as I think orthodox Catholics would agree). Michael wrote:

God is infinitely holy, and He expects absolute conformity to His righteous laws. Therefore, no one will be admitted into His presence unless he or she is absolutely perfect and obedient. Unfortunately, as Paul states in Romans 3, “there is no one righteous, not even one,” therefore no one will be admitted into heaven based upon his own obedience. But the Scriptures declare that Christ has not only died for the sins of His people, He has also lived out the requirements of the law in their place. In Christ, we are obedient, holy, and blameless. Therefore, we are saved by works, but not by our own. We are saved by the work of Christ in our place because of His graciousness (Mt 5:17-18; Jn 17:19; Rom 1:17, 5:19, 10:3-4; 1 Cor 1:30; 2 Cor 5:21; Php 3:8-9).

Put that way, of course I agree, as I think most of us would – and it showed the importance of wording.

Read straight, I saw it as saying that conformity to the law saved, and as I know this is not what Michael believes, was surprised to see he had marked it as ‘true’, but once one reads the explanation we see more fully.

The whole quiz struck me as a good grounding in the basics, but also as providing an example of how easy it is for us to misunderstand each other -even when we are all only speaking English. Those who have trouble with the ‘Mother of God’ business should read and inwardly digest why Protestants should agree with that title.

It also seems to me to speak to one of Jessica’s favourite themes, which is how much orthodox Christians have in common, as well as to one of my recent ones, which is why right belief matters. Question 9 and its answer bears directly onto our discussions about what it means to be ‘saved’. The question reads:

9. I am saved because of my decision to accept Christ.

Some here would, I think, answer yes, but Michael, as good a Bible-believing Protestant as anyone, shows those who think Protestantism teaches this are wrong, with a truly excellent answer:

9. FALSE. This is the error known as decisional regeneration. The Bible teaches that we are not saved by a “human decision” (Jn 1:12-13; Rom 9:16). This is because we cannot do anything that pleases God in our sinful state, but rather, in our original sin nature we are hostile to God, and are enslaved to our own sinful passions (John 6:44, Rom 8:8; 1 Cor 2:14; 2 Cor 4:3-4; Eph 2:1; Gal 3:22; 2 Tim 2:25-26; Tit 3:3-5; 1 Jn 5:19). Therefore, we can only exercise faith in Christ once we have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:48, 16:14, 18:27; Rom 10:20; Eph 3:7). This is why faith is rightly spoken of as a gift of God (Eph 2:8-9; Rom 12:3; Php 1:29, John 3:19-21). To be saved by one’s decision would be salvation by one’s actions, and not by grace alone (Rom. 11:5). This is why the Bible repeatedly states that we are saved by grace, or by the work of Christ, and not by our own works or actions (Eph. 2:8-10, Mk 10:26-27; Acts 2:47; Rom 5:9-10).

Well, I certainly could not have put it better, and indeed have not put it so well when I have addressed the issue here. We are saved by grace, and grace alone.

I’d be interested to know how others do with the quiz – and if you haven’t caught up with Michael’s blog – it is ever-challengiung and a good read.

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Resurrection of the Body

19 Wednesday Jun 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Bible, Early Church, Faith

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Christianity, heresy, orthodoxy

harrowing-of-hadesRecent exchanges with Bosco (here) have (if the pun be pardoned) raised the question of the resurrection.

Paul tells us that if the dead are not resurrected then Christ is not risen and our faith is in vain. We shall be raised at the last, and our corrupt, earthly bodies will be transformed into ‘spiritual bodies’: It is sown in corruption; ‘it is raised in incorruption’. The Apostle John tells us: ‘but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.’  We, like the Risen Christ, will have a resurrected body. Paul tells us: ‘In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.’There were early heretics who, believing that spirit was pure and flesh corrupt, denied this teaching and claimed that we would have no resurrection bodies. That was why the Nicene Creed stated that we believe in the resurrection of the dead.  The idea, one commonly hears, that someone’s soul is in Heaven is, in fact, heretical.  As the great Spurgeon put it: ‘There are very few Christians who believe the resurrection of the dead.’

The Biblical scholar and former bishop of Durham, Tom Wright, who is always challenging, and with whom I do not always agree, talks a good deal of sense on this issue here and here:

But it’s still a body. And generations of readers have been misled-particularly by the RSV and the NRSV-into thinking that the distinction Paul is making is between a physical body, in the sense of something you can actually get a grip on, and a spiritual body, in the platonic sense of something you couldn’t get a grip on.

In Judaism there was no concept of the Messiah being resurrected, because there was no idea of the Messiah dying. This concept was there with Christians from the start, and it was there because they had experienced the Risen Jesus.

So, we shall be resurrected. Theologians and scholars have speculated on the nature of the resurrected body. Origen is said to have written that the resurrected body would be spherical in shape = a sphere being the perfect shape – but this was rejected as heresy. We know only that our bodies will be glorious and incorruptible. In Heaven there will be no marrying, no sorrowing and an end to evil. These are the promises made to us. We would, as ever, like to know more, but God alone knows these things, and, as ever, he has given us the knowledge we need.

To argue that the resurrection will produce a spiritual body not of matter if to argue against the clear meaning of Paul’s writing and the teaching of the Church from the earliest time. It is also to flirt with, if not to embrace, that form of Gnosticism which despises flesh.

For those who wonder why I imitate the Bereans and search the Scripture to understand them aright, it is because to understand them wrongly, as, for example, to say that Christ did not rise bodily from the dead, if to believe not in jesus Christ, but in a construct of the Father of Lies.

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Private revelation?

18 Tuesday Jun 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Bible, Early Church, Faith

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Christianity, controversy, heresy

9_my-own-wayReviewing recent discussions, it rather seems as those the poor old Apostles got it wrong, as did those who wrote the Bible. Instead of going on about fale teachers and the importance of the tradition passed on from those who had known Jesus, they should just have said that when the Holy Spirit enlightened you, it would be fine, and you’d know all you needed. Since, however, that isn’t what the Apostles and the first Evangelists did, we have to assume that was not what they thought.

Instead of writing to the recently converted in Corinth about the divisions among them, should Paul simply have congratulated them on the vibrance of their community? And who was Paul to tell the poor old Galatians that they were following ‘another Gospel’? Should the leader of the Galatians have responded by telling Paul that his revelation was as valid as Paul’s and that diversity of practice and belief was natural? Well, if he did, you can be sure Paul wasn’t impressed. Paul was even willing to challenge Peter when he stopped sharing table-fellowship with the Gentiles, not because he was puffing himself up as some kind of leader, but because he knew what Peter knew, that Christ had decreed otherwise. No use Peter trying to waffle about being all things to all men, he was going along the wrong line and Paul called him on it.

One of the problems, from the start, was that folk claiming to be converted also tried to claim revelations which were not part of the general revelation. That was the whole point of what we call Gnosticism, but which was not a single movement, but rather a host of claims to special revelation. Valentinus, a second century Christian leader claimed a special knowledge denied to others.  As Irenaeus put it “Certainly they confess with their tongues the one Jesus Christ, but in their minds they divide him.” In one passage in the account of Irenaeus, it is directly stated that the redeemer assumed a psychical body to redeem the psychical, for the spiritual already belong by nature to the celestial world and no longer require any historical redemption, while the material is incapable of redemption, as “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption”. Well, you can read the New Testament that way, as you can any way you like, but it is plain that nothing in this system went alongside that taught by those who had followed Jesus.

To state, as Pagels does, that most Christians could not see any differences between what Valentinus taught and what the Apostles had taught stretches our credulity and her credibility. No one reading the Gospel of Truth and the actual Gospels could think they came from the same place or are discussing the same thing.

However little some folk may like it, there is nothing in Scripture or the early church which points to the idea that an individual who claims to personal revelation is the model of the ‘saint’. The Saints congregated in churches, and in each church there were those with different gifts, and those churches were presided over by elders. All this was designed for two things – to provide mutual aid and support so we could grow in the Christian life, but also to prevent heresy.

Well, either that, or the NT writers wasted a lot of energy worrying over false teachers.

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The Devil can quote Scripture

18 Tuesday Jun 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Anglicanism, Bible, Faith, Salvation

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quote-the-devil-can-cite-scripture-for-his-purpose-william-shakespeare-168112Someone said to me, the last time we were out with the Pastor on Saturday morning handing out tracts, ‘I’m saved, so I don’t need your church.’ As there’s not a lot you can say to that except ‘good’, I didn’t bother saying even that. There’s no reason at all it shouldn’t be so, and even given the well-known human capacity for self-deception, he was probably no worse than the rest of us when atheists wonder why we worship a God whose existence we can’t prove.

If he has emulated the Bereans and Paul and tested his revelation against Scripture and the teaching of the early church then fine. But what are we to make if what he says cuts right across the usual readings of Scripture? You don’t have to go very far to find folk whose teaching does just that. Well, maybe they are saved, but if they are deceived, and if they deceive others, what then?

In the old days, Christians sometimes took a short-cut and burnt such folk, and some of those they deceived. In the Islamic world they still take drastic action against such folk; they’d not, however, be keen if Christians treated them in such a fashion, but since we’ve largely given up on that sort of thing, we shan’t find out.

The Catholic Church can excommunicate those in its ranks who preach heresy, although I think it rarely does nowadays; it can also deprive those who are Catholic teachers of their licence to teach as Catholics. Protestant churches tend to throw folk out, and they still have quite spectacular rows with each other.  Anglicans, well, at the risk of teasing Struans, is there any opinion an Anglican Christian can express and  be deprived of the name of Anglican?

The fact is that for all we worry about false teaching, there’s really nothing one can do about it – except to try to use good arguments to drive out bad. Out here in the Wild West of the Internet, everyone’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s, and if you don’t like someone else’s facts, you can make your own up. But men have done that always – we simply have wider and more instant access to it than any generation in history.

Patience, a thick skin and knowledge of your Bible is a great help in this endeavour, but as someone once commented, there never was a heretic who could not quote Scripture; indeed we know from Scripture that the Devil himself is dab hand at it, as we see in Matthew 4.

It is this search for certainty, as I commented earlier, which leads folk into one of the bigger churches, and if that settles them, fine.  Those of us in smaller churches need to be very Berean like though. I don’t know what you do if you’ve been told personally you’re saved. How you know it is not a demon, I’ve no idea, it isn’t as thought demons come to you in their true image and tempt you; not even fallen mankind is daft enough to fall for that one.

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Being a Christian?

12 Wednesday Jun 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Early Church, Faith

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Apostles, Christianity, controversy, heresy

ephesus_fresco_thumbWhat does it mean to be a ‘Christian’?  The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch, and from the first, as Paul insisted to the Corinthians, nit was the name of Christ which united them. Simon Magus, who converted to Christianity wanted the charism of healing so much that he offered the Apostles money to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, for which sin the act of ‘simony’ has been named – that is the act of trying to buy what is holy with money.

Simon was perhaps the first whose case raised the question of what it was to be a Christian. he had been duly baptised by the Apostles and accepted Christ. from the various accounts of him which have survived, he clearly tried to adapt what he knew of the teachings of Jesus to make them fit with pagan philosophies; to some he is the father of gnosticism. Like another early Christian, Cerinthus (who seems to have been of the Judaising tendency), he was thrown out by the Apostles. But it seems unlikely that either man accepted this.  There are those who hold that Cerinthus was the origin of the ‘anti-Christ’ in the letters of St John, and his views were rejected by the successors of the Apostles.

There is a common belief that orthodoxy never existed, which often goes along with atheism, but sometimes with various types of sectarian thought, and sometimes with a liberal relativism; after all, if orthodoxy was decided by Constantine or the winning side, you can dismiss it and whatever you decide to believe is fine. Except, as Simon Magus and Cerinthus show, it wasn’t. The same is true for those who argue that the Gospel of Thomas or whatever are as valid as the Canon; no they aren’t, because the early church knew what was and was not Apostolic.

Nothing seems clearer from Scripture itself – from Paul, Jude, Peter and John – than that certain things were not to be believed by Christians.  You can’t read the Johannine Epistles, or Peter or Jude and Paul without seeing quite plainly that certain things were not orthodox – that is not right belief. There’s an excellent series by Professor Michael J Kruger here on the Canon, and his whole website should be read by anyone with an interest in any of these things. There is a compelling, clever and excellent review of Kostenberger and Kruger’s The Heresy of Orthodoxy here (which is, by the way, a font of knowledge and good sense on early Christianity), as well as here.

The old trendy view, that there was no such thing as orthodoxy, has been thoroughly undermined by more recent scholarship.  Its implication have yet, I think, to be thoroughly digested. Is there, for example, a minimum to which one must sign up to be a Christian? If so, what is it and who gets to define it?  That is perhaps one of the reasons why the old belief that there was no orthodoxy gained ground – it avoided dealing with such questions by claiming they were not valid ones.

Many Christians would say that the Nicene Creed is that minimum – it was certainly what the early Church held.  I’d be happy with that – but it would be interesting to explore what others thought.

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Augustine and Predestination

13 Monday May 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Bible, Early Church, Faith, Saints, Salvation

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Christianity, controversy, Grace, heresy, history

Saint_AugustineThe dispute between Augustine and Pelagius about predestination is one which left little trace on the eastern Church, something worth mentioning because it has continued with very much the line which the Church held before that debate. I have heard it said by Orthodox friends that Augustine brought into Christianity something of the dualism of his early Manichean beliefs, a line taken up more recently by some Reformed thinkers.

The Orthodox, like the early Church, would agree with Irenaeus who wrote: “Forasmuch as all men are of the same nature, having power to hold and to do that which is good, and having power again to lose it, and not to do what is right; before men of sense, (and how much more before God!) some… are justly accused, and receive condign punishment, because they refuse what is just and right.” We retain enough in us of the image of God in whom we are made to be able to make the right choice when presented with it.  This is not to argue total depravity; the image would be that of a painting which over the years has become smeared with grime, but which, with a good polish, could be made fresh once more.

I am not an Augustine scholar, but it seems an exaggeration to me to imply that he is to blame for the idea of total depravity. The idea of original sin was not new to Augustine, and if his views had been novel then he would hardly have received the backing he did from a very conservative North African Church. So what did Augustine teach?

Basing himself on John 6:44: “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44),Augustine argued that, if not all are saved, it is because God intends to save only some. The rest are left in their fallen condition, and eternally perish. In response to concerns that this meant that there was no point in being a monk or doing pious works, Augustine explained that  his words should be understood as a response to the teaching of the Pelagians, who claimed that grace is given according to our merits. St Paul’s own words: “Let us do evil, that good may come” (Rom 3:8), had been misunderstood, so it was not, Augustine thought, surprising that his own writings should have suffered a similar fate.

Augustine made it plain that he did not teach that it did not matter what we do in the eyes of God, pointing out St Paul’s comment that God “will render to every man according to his works” (Rom 2:6), and that we reap what we sow (Gal 6:7). But he was convinced that our works are useless unless done in faith; and faith itself is a gift. As St. Paul says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God” (Eph 2:8).

Writing to the monks of Hadrumentum, Augustine made it plain that he thought that it was Grace which freed man from the passions of his fallen nature and enabled him to choose to follow Christ – as Jesus Himself said (John 8:36), “If the Son … shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” God knows, he tells them, who will be saved, but He also knows the means by which they will be saved, so it is never wrong to persevere in argument with an erring brother or with good works; we are not saved by the latter, but since they are signs of the faith that are within us, they may effect others’ views of the Faith. It is not only by having faith, but by persevering with it to the end that one is saved.

So, contrary to what some might claim, it is hard to see Augustine agreeing with the idea that many are predestined to die.

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Justice & Mercy

03 Friday May 2013

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Early Church, Faith

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Christianity, controversy, heresy

redeemed-and-forgivenOur little discussion over Purgatory elicited, as these things will, a lot of heat, but there was a little bit of light. Our good friend Servus Fidelis, that most formidable of friendly adversaries, the former Protestant who knows why he’s crossed the Tiber, raises that issue of Justice and Mercy.  He starts:

It’s nice to see everything in our future as God’s Infinite Mercy as we all ascribe to that quality. But where is Divine Justice in all of this? Is it all the same for those who are contrite for their sins and those that are not? Is it all the same for those who have done penance for our sins and those who have not? Are we not a penitential people?

Well, those who aren’t contrite and don’t repent haven’t followed Jesus, and their fate is known only unto God; we have no warrant to hold them saved, though we have no warrant for telling God what to do. But if we take his word seriously, as we do here, all of us, then they are bound for hell. Servus goes on to say:

You can’t say that Christ’s Blood is not enough just because in order to receive the reward for His Saving Death one still has a price to pay: the greatest being the separation from God after the dead has seen Him face to face for some undetermined time. Until contrition and penance is sufficient we await our fate: it is not an unhappy place as all know that they will one day be in Heaven.

If, as I’d thought, we were talking about those who aren’t contrite, then they are separating themselves, and for eternity. So I fear I do not see any second chance for those who die unregenerate. Neither do I see any Scriptural warrant for seeing otherwise.  Servus then rightly invokes tradition, pointing out that ancient liturgies and the Fathers have people praying for the souls of the dead.

He’s right, and the Orthodox still do so, and I’ve been known to do the same.  THat does not mean I or the Orthodox believe in Purgatory, it is an act of pious remembrance and thanks. I know the dead are either with God, in which case they are fine, or not, in which case not, but it seems an act of pious kindness to invoke their memory before the Godhead.

Purgatory is an apt name for a mystery of God that answers the questions, what about Divine Justice? What about our cooperation with the Grace God gives? Did we, or did we not have the Gift also of “Freewill” and did we all use it as intended?

Well, that cuts to the heart of so much that is mysterious?  Why do I believe?  I’m well acquainted with the arguments of atheists, but they make no headway against God’s gift to me. Why me?  That I don’t know. I know I’ve not always done as I should have done, but I give myself no credit for when I’ve gone in His way; it is in His Strength alone I stand.

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