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~ A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you … John 13:34

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The School of Antioch

27 Saturday May 2017

Posted by John Charmley in Catholic Tradition, Church of the East, Early Church, Faith, Heresies

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Christianity, controversy, Faith, history

Theodore of Mopsuestia (392-428), was one of the leading lights of the Antiochene School, and his biblical exegesis and theological reflections became the standard of orthodoxy of the churches in Persia in succeeding centuries, and he remains an important figure for the Church of the East. His teacher, Diodore, bishop of Tarsus (378-394), had taught that there had to be a clear division or distinction between “flesh” on the one hand and “Logos” on the other. Theodore taught that: “When we try to distinguish the natures, we say that the person of the man is complete and that that of the Godhead is complete.”

Theodore’s concept of the divine-human relationship in Christ is also connected to his soteriology, or doctrine of salvation. He drew an analogy between God’s relationship to Christ, and God’s relationship with those He redeemed. Just as God’s Spirit guides the soul of a believer now, and will perfectly govern it in the future, so the indwelling Logos guided and governed Christ. In Theodore’s words, “Therefore, just as we, if we come at last to the future state, shall be perfectly governed by the Spirit in body and soul, but now possess a kind of partial first fruits of that condition…so also the Lord ” By indwelling Jesus, God increasingly governed Him through the Logos, just as He increasingly governs the redeemed. Christ was a human being in whom the Spirit of God dwelt in a very special manner.

It has become fashionable recently to argue that Theodore was not the heretic that he was called by the early Church, and to point out that some of his thinking can be traced in the ‘Tome of Leo’ at Chalcedon. Truly there is nothing new under the sun. It was precisely for that reason that the Fathers of the Copts rejected Chalcedon – they saw in it the hand of Theodore. That was wrong then for the reason it is wrong now. There is not the slightest evidence Leo the Great had read any Theodore, and his ‘Tome’ certainly does not treat Jesus as a man in whom the Holy Spirit indwelt in a special manner, neither does it treat Jesus’ two natures as married to each other in the way a husband and wife are.

It is important to realise that whilst Theodore’s final expressions of his views were heretical, they are based on a substrata of ideas which are not. If one wanted to be ecumenical, one might say that Theodore’s ideas were an evolutionary dead end to a set of ideas which through a process of natural selection, survived via Leo and Chalcedon. Theodore certainly offered answers to the question of what it meant to say that the Word was made flesh, but it was one which contained too many elements of adoptionism and Sabellianism to be judged satisfactory. It left open the door to the idea that Christ was a human being adopted in a special way by God. It said nothing about pre-existence, and this is where it failed to provide a fully satisfactory answer.

For the missing elements, we need to turn to Alexandria, where we shall have occasion to note, again, error mixed with truth.

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To the ends of the earth

27 Saturday Feb 2016

Posted by JessicaHoff in Church of the East, Early Church, Faith

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Christianity, Church of the East, Faith, Grace, Ionan Christians, St Thomas Christians

 

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The Coonan Cross oath

Church membership is one of the mysteries of Grace. One reason why Christ gave the disciples the Great Commission was that He wanted everyone to have the chance to hear the Good News. We but rarely see the history of the spread of the Faith as it was and has been, preferring, instead, to view it through the lenses of our own perspective. Very few Christians in the West know anything about the history of the spread of Christianity outside the Roman Empire in the post-Apostolic times, and I have lost count of the number of times I have had to point out to people who talk about Christianity arriving in India in the eighteenth century, or in China with the Jesuits, that is not so. Christianity arrived in southern India in Apostolic times, and may well have been brought thither by St Thomas himself; the Christians of Kerala call themselves ‘St Thomas Christians’ to this day. Long before the Jesuits were thought of, Christians we chose to call ‘Nestorians’, brought Christianity to China some time around 635 – the same year St Aidan went to preach the Gospel in Northumbria. Even in England, the story that the faith came here with Augustine is not true, it was here long before that, and at Whitby we know St Wilfrid faced opposition to changing the date of Easter from those following the Ionan tradition – the exact date Christianity came to these islands is, in fact, unknown, but it could have been as early as the first century via travelling merchants.

This, for me, and for many, is where there is a problem trying to see Christianity as the preserve of one Church. The Ionan Christians in England certainly were not in communion with Rome – it is plain St Gregory the Great, who sent Augustine, had no idea there were Christians in these islands; the Christians of the Church of the East were not in communion with Rome; the Kerala, St Thomas Christians, were not in communion with Rome. To take the view that being out of Communion with Rome is to be, at best, imperfectly Christian, is, to me, as to all these Christian traditions, an act of cultural arrogance; it is to assert that one point of view is the only proper one. Naturally, if one is persuaded of that point of view, then one will be a Roman Catholic, but then, as I say, I have found few in that Church, or my own, for that matter, who know anything about these ancient and glorious traditions. What is known is that both the Roman Catholic and the Anglicans, failed to regard these organic and historic communions with the respect they deserved when they encountered them in the period after the sixteenth century. If you follow this link you will find a Franciscan reflection on a tragic episode in Christian history.

The existence of so many Christian traditions is a reminder to us that God’s Grace has no need of us and our structures, or even of our conception of what structures we think God wants. The Good News has spread as it has because it touches the need we all have to repent of our sins and to be made whole. The heart is indeed, restless, until it finds God. But for all of us the pilgrimage is different. Some find that restlessness stilled by the church into which we were born; others either had no faith to be born into, or it sat loose with them and they moved away – many going on long journeys of spiritual enlightenment – and disillusionment – before finding a safe harbour where peace descends; yet others stay within Christianity but move until they find that elusive place for which they have been searching.

Much is spoken about the ‘fullness of the faith’, and there may, perhaps be, a blessed individual who through Grace can embrace all the insights offered by all these traditions; there may – and alas may more likely be – the individual who, knowing nothing of the richness of these other traditions, thinks their own Church contains it all. To me it seems we find that fullness in Christ, Jesus. Some will say that only in their own liturgical practice can He be truly found; others will say he cannot be conjured up by special words and magic signs; yet others will find both these positions objectionable because they are offended – and yet some who adopt one of them will not, perhaps, see that those who hold the other view will be offended too. In the real fullness of theosis, we may attain the humility to know we cannot see the world as God sees it, and accept the mystery that He has come to us where we have met him.

Here endeth Jessica’s sermonette.

 

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Mercy

10 Thursday Dec 2015

Posted by JessicaHoff in Church of the East, Early Church, Faith, St. Isaac

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Christianity, God, Grace

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‘Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner’ – so goes the Orthodox ‘Jesus Prayer’, which I, like many Orthodox, pray using a prayer-rope. It is shorter than the Rosary, but it serves a not dissimilar purpose – it quietens the mind and helps one meditate on God. I prayed it a lot on Monday evening, and one of the Sisters, interested in what I was doing, asked me why it was I prayed it as well as the Rosary – was the ‘Jesus prayer’ not ‘foreign’ to our tradition in the West?

I had to say that I’d no idea. Chalcedon introduced me to it many years ago, and it has long been part of my practice. During my illness, when I was too weak to pray the Rosary, I used to hold on to my prayer-rope and just chant the prayer. It seemed very appropriate to say it to mark the start of the ‘Year of Mercy’ proclaimed by Pope Francis.

As I am not a Roman Catholic, I don’t propose to enter into the whys and wherefores of Pope Francis. From outside the Church of Rome it seems to me that he’s a holy man who loves God and who wants us to talk more about love than about sin. I understand why some will be made uneasy by all of this – it isn’t, after all, as though our society exactly majors on ‘sin’, and I can share an unease about where the balance lies. That said, is there really a balance with God? As I understand what Geoffrey has been saying to us in his posts on Monday and yesterday, it is that God’s Mercy is quite unbalanced. In this he reflects something written by my beloved St Isaac the Syrian, which is quoted here by one of my all-time favourite bloggers, Fr Aidan Kimel

“Mercy is opposed to justice” …

Mercy and justice in one soul is like a man who worships God and the idols in one house. Mercy is opposed to justice. Justice is the equality of the even scale, for it gives to each as he deserves; and when it makes recompense, it does not incline to one side or show respect of persons. Mercy, on the other hand, is a sorrow and pity stirred up by goodness, and it compassionately inclines a man in the direction of all; it does not requite a man who is deserving of evil, and to him who is deserving of good it gives a double portion. If, therefore, it is evident that mercy belongs to the portion of righteousness, then justice belongs to the portion of wickedness. As grass and fire cannot co-exist in one place, so justice and mercy cannot abide in one soul. As a grain of sand cannot counterbalance a great quantity of gold, so in comparison God’s use of justice cannot counterbalance His mercy. (Ascetical Homilies I.51. p. 379)

Do read the whole of Fr Aidan’s post, which seems to me to be suffused with the love of God. He quotes what is probably the most provocative statement in the whole of the Patristic canon: “Do not call God just, for His justice is not manifest in the things concerning you” Hyperbole? Read what Fr Aidan writes and make your own mind up.

Justice would be for me to be condemned. I think even though I try to be good and to do as God tells me, I am not good all the time and I fail, not only in the things I do, but in those I fail to do. But God tells me I am saved because of the Resurrected Word Incarnate, who has taken away my sins – and my sin. I think I draw a distinction, but perhaps err? Any way, I thought I would share these thoughts with you for the ‘Year of Mercy’.

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Keep Praying for the Copts

19 Thursday Feb 2015

Posted by Neo in Church of the East, Early Church, Saints

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Academy Award, Catholic Church, Christian denomination, Christianity, Copts, Eastern Orthodox Church, Jesus, Lent, Russia, Western Christianity

we-are-nYesterday, as most will recall, we mutually pledged to give up asperity for Lent on this blog. Today, I found myself biting my tongue (already) to keep my promise to us and to God. Here’s a bit of what Chalcedon said yesterday

In that spirit, as readers of the comments boxes will have seen, we are going to try to give up asperity for Lent – that is the blog’s collective sacrifice for Lent. because we welcome all here, there are times, and themes, which encourage a certain amount of controversy. We are going to see whether we can avoid that for the next six weeks, and, instead, encourage each other to see the image of Christ in each of us. There is not one of us without sin, and we all partake of a tendency to make up for that by pointing out the sins of others. We shall try, harder, to recall our own sinfulness, and to practice that forgiveness which God extends to all who truly repent.:

In reference to the atrocity in Libya and the Popes response i would again refer to Chalcedon in his post Pray for the Copts, adding Libya

There are reports of attacks on Copts in Suez, Fayoum, Minya, Sohag, Assiut & Beni-Suef.  This is turning into a catastrophe.  I long ago abandoned any hope that the British and American Governments would do anything to help the Copts, but now it seems that a disaster is unfolding. These Christians have borne faithful witness under centuries of persecution, and continue to do so.  May the Lord have mercy. Our Lady of Zeitoun have mercy.

We have always allowed open debate here but, we have always recognized that can cause controversy. But we have always welcomed a cross-section of all Christian denominations here as well as those attempting to learn about our Faith.

Personally, i think the Copts have a fair case to claim that we in the west have modified the Faith once received while they haven’t. Your mileage may vary of course but, anybody trying to make the point that this church which has been persecuted as long as any, is not Christian is simply out of line.

Let’s close with a bit more from Chalcedon, in a recent post:

It is far from clear, indeed so much so that I should be intrigued to see the exegesis which says it, that in wanting us to be one, Our Lord was referring to ‘petty animosities among the brethren’. Schism is not a good thing, but the Church has always been able to live with it and to work to bring erring brothers and sisters back into full communion; heresy is another matter, of course. But then it is precisely the nature and depth of the heresy which true ecumenism explores; for us simply to assume we understand what, say, the Copts mean, has turned out to be a bad assumption. Discussion with the non-Chalcedonianshas been the most fruitful area of ecumenism, although I doubt many in the West know it. It is clear enough that they never have been, as we claimed, Monophysites. When we used to hurl anathemata at them on the basis we thought they were, it achieved naught; now we have stopped doing it, they have stopped doing it to us, and we are beginning to explore how we can go forward to heal the old schism. That is worth the hours and years it has taken; in fifty years we have advanced further than we had in 1500 of behaving as QV seems to suggest we ought. For my part, I am with Einstein, in defining stupidity as doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.

That is the meaning of my statement that there is very little point in insisting that we are THE Church. If we are, we know it, there is no need to sound like a braggart, it poisoned relations with the non-Chalcedonians in 451 and ever since, and with the Eastern Orthodox since 1054. If we are, as we should be, secure in who we are, let us behave as Christ would want. Let us listen, as he did, to the Samaritan woman, and not behave to her as the Jews would have.

I think that says it all. Anybody know a good surgeon to sew my tongue back on?

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Irenaeus – “Against Heresies”

01 Thursday Jan 2015

Posted by Nicholas in Bible, Catholic Tradition, Church of the East, Early Church, End times, Faith, Persecution

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St. Irenaeus is an incredibly important figure in the history of the church and the history of theology. He is beloved of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants (a rarity if ever there was one). Continue reading →

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Heretics?

22 Thursday May 2014

Posted by Geoffrey RS Sales in Church of the East, Faith

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Baptists, Catholic Church, choices, Christianity, history

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That question of ‘by what authority’ which this blog has dealt with so often is instrinsic to the idea that our faith was not given us in one dollop of perfectly comprehensible instructions; the Bible is not the Koran, and we only know what it consists of because the early Church told us so; in short, despite what some of my fellow Protestants would say, I would say that Tradition matters because, even if I wanted to be sola scriptura I could be so only on the basis of early Tradition; and that Tradition tells me that the Church mattered. Does it, however, tell me which Church is THE Church? Here, at least for me, this becomes, whatever anyone says, a matter of personal choice.

I’ve a friend whom I met when we were both at University very long ago. I see him a couple of times a year now, and his health is failing. His family fled to this country in, I think, 1950. They were Assyrian Christians, and there;d been an outbreak of persecution in Tehran, and they’d come to this country, as so many refugees do. He’s kept his family’s traditions, although it has not been easy to find places to worship. When I first knew him, he used to get indignant when one of our tutors referred to him as ‘our local Nestorian’. He was not, he said, a Nestorian, though he did think that Nestorius had been horribly abused by St Cyril at Ephesus in 431. His own Church had not, he explained, been invited to any of what he called ‘Roman Councils’ and he saw no reason why they should feel themselves bound by things about which they had never been consulted. After all, he said, who had said that the Pope, or indeed, Western Councils, were THE Church?

It was the first time I had ever come across a Christian from that tradition, and this argument. I wish, at the time, and when there was opportunity, I’d explored it more, but it seems to me more or less unanswerable. No one did. There’s little point anyone saying that such a such a bishop at such and such a time appealed to such and such a Pope as proof of anything save the fact that sometimes folk will seek allies where they can find hem in their internal disputes.

The point here, of course, is that our Western point of view on ‘diversity’ ignores, generally, the fact that there have always been many churches. If it ever really had been necessary for salvation that a man acknowledge the authority of the Bishop of Rome, then millions of faithful, persecuted, martyred Christians all over the world who’d never heard of the fellow, were, by that fact, condemned to hell. That would be back to the God as psychopath so beloved of Dawkins and co. A God who would do that does not deserve worshipping, he deserves whipping.

In the end I think we accept authority where we think we find it; so that is our choice. I know that others here have moved churches several times, and respect them enough to think that each time they did it they thought they were right and doing it for the right reasons; that’s the reason I’ve stayed where I was put. If all of us who are not RCC are heretics, so be it. I shall remember, I hope, to ask why I was not given the Grace to see it.

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Many churches?

08 Tuesday Apr 2014

Posted by JessicaHoff in Church of the East, Early Church, Faith

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Christianity, Faith, history, Jesus

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One of the things which puzzles many of us is that there are so many churches. For the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics, both of which claim to be THE Church (and both which good arguments and evidence) this becomes a matter which, in modern times at least, needs careful handling.  I have Orthodox friends who will say, as will one or two Catholics here, that there is nothing here worth discussing; their Church is the Church Jesus founded and that is that; those who can accept it are fine, and those who cannot need, in effect, to get with the programme. Others will put it with more diplomacy and talk about the fullness of the Faith being in their Church, but the others having what Dominus Iesus calls ‘salvific’ effect which, in as far as I can deconstruct it means that they are not wholly without merit and, in so far as they may lead you to the Church which has the fullness of the faith, they are not without merit.

Anglicanism has another answer, which is not accepted by those attached to the view that there is just one true Church – theirs – and that is the idea of the branch theory. It argues, from history, that the early Church effectively developed branches – that the Roman Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant churches are all part of the same tree, it is just that we do not see it. One might, of course, argue that Anglicanism would say that, but that the Evangelists were very keen on the idea of there being one Church; but equally, one might argue that as observable facts go, the Anglican view has two merits: it actually maps onto reality as we see it; and it obviates the need to insist that one’s own church is the only possible one. If the period since 431 and the Council of Ephesus has shown us anything, it is that the rich variation in the ways we receive Jesus is not to be stamped out either by decree or by history, or even by persecution.

It may be that there are those who would care to mount the argument that the Christians of the East who have never received their bishops or their theology from Rome are thereby simply wrong, but that is to ignore the facts of history. Whether it is the Syriac, the Coptic or the Assyrian church, these historic churches have a rich culture and theology of their own, and simply because they do not fit with the way the Western Churches developed does not make them in any way inferior or heretical. The way in which the St Thomas Christians were treated by the Portuguese in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries was an act of considerable cultural vandalism; the insistence that one size fitted all led to a situation in which a people who had been Christians when the ancestors of the Portuguese were worshipping stones, had much of that rich heritage erased, and when world Christianity lost, or almost lost, valuable parts of its history.

Syriac Christianity provides us with a living link to the last form of genuinely Semitic Christianity. For those who want to know how Christianity looks without its Graeco-Roman inheritance, these churches of the East are good example of the richness of other cultural heritages. Often, and rightly, we have here comments lamenting the stripping away in the West of the Latin heritage; those who so lament, can understand, I hope, why to value and cherish the inheritance of the East is not some form of call to syncretism or ‘another Gospel’; it is rather a call to recognise that our Faith is wider than Europe and truly global.

 

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New Churches for old?

05 Saturday Apr 2014

Posted by John Charmley in Church of the East, Church/State, Early Church, Faith

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Apostles, Catholic Church, Christianity, history, orthodoxy, Papacy

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One of the striking omissions in the New Testament is the absence of any instructions on how to prepare the Church for its long journey through time. The imminence of the parousia is one of the reasons; the impact of the Good News is another. Men who were expecting the Second Coming any time, especially those who had received so recently the news of their salvation by the Blood of the Lamb, had no reason to think for the long term. Even when it was clear, as it always had been to some, that there was nothing in the idea that Christ would come again before the last Apostle died, there was little need for some long-term plan. If Christians followed the Gospel message and the promptings of the Spirit, that should be enough.

But, even by the time his disciples were putting the final chapters into St John’s Gospel, it was clear that it was more difficult than those who had argued that the promptings of the Spirit were sufficient. St John himself, in his epistles, had noted the way in which his own community had split, with some not even heeding his words, though he had walked with Jesus. From as early as that, the sort of distinctions between Christians we see here was present.

Some, like our own Bosco, claimed a direct experience and an ability to know, thereby, all that they needed to know; not even the word of St John himself could convince men like Diotrephes that their own inspiration had to be checked, as St Paul’s had been, against the testimony of other ‘saints’. Such men and women claimed to be the only ones who were truly ‘saved’, and many of them thought that the end of the world would come in their times; that they have modern equivalents shows, truly, there is nothing new under the sun.

Some, concerned by such splits and the strange interpretations some put upon the Faith, preferred to stick close to their own local Church and the teaching of the elders in it. Some of these, especially in areas where Jewish Christian predominated, had a highly liturgical form of worship from the beginning, and for these, the commemoration of the Last Supper was not simply a memorial, it was where they truly supped with Christ. At this early stage there was simply an agreement that he was with them; the how no one needed to know, because the answer to the ‘why’ was ‘because He said He would be’.

But as Christianity spread in Gentile regions, it showed a genius of adaptation, which some, like the ‘men from James’ found offensive, but which the Apostles decided was not. So vital, so alive was the Faith, that men and women from all backgrounds and cultures adopted it. As it went east, its Jewish elements fused easily with those of other Semitic cultures, and from the beginning, the eastern church was marked both by the beauty of its liturgies and the mystical bent of the writings its produced. When St Thomas came to India (and I am looking forward to Strauns telling us more about the St Thomas Christians) those who had been Hindus found the asceticism and beauty they had associated with religion, easily combined with the Good News they received so eagerly.

As it went West, Christianity fitted with the Roman ethos. Uneasily at first, as the Romans liked to worship many gods, but more easily as the Romans found in it a bond of unity which a multi-national empire needed. As the Empire in the West began to falter, men like Ambrose of Milan, imperial administrators, or Augustine of Hippo, intellectuals and philosophers, found themselves drawn to Christianity and elected by Christians into positions of leadership. The Roman genius for government and order became a distinguishing mark of Western Christianity.

The long journey through history exposed these Christian communities to terrible ordeals; the Cross of Christ was carried by millions across time. The Roman model proved one of the most resistant to the blows of fate; a well-organised and well-disciplined community with a willingness to suffer for their Lord, was less easily crushed than those without these qualities. That the West also proved able to convert the barbarian tribes to the Faith helped, as did the fact that the converts turned out to be formidable warriors; where the Churches of the East fell to Islam, those of the West, outside of the Iberian peninsula, resisted successfully.

But the tendency to schism that was there from the beginning, has continued, and after the sixteenth century, the West itself succumbed. What effect this has had on the West is a matter of controversy, and those of us who empathise with St Augustine as he watched barbarians come to Hippo, are not, perhaps, best placed to comment on it. I cannot help feeling, at times, as though we are inhabiting the remains of a Christian culture in the way that those Roman left behind in Britannia after 410 huddled in old imperial forts for shelter. But another part of me says, for shame, where is my faith in the Holy Spirit and the promise of Christ.

Christianity was once confined to a few men and women in the vicinity of an upper room in Jerusalem, and now had several billion adherents across the globe. In that there is much to encourage even the gloomy.

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One Church, one faith, one God?

22 Saturday Feb 2014

Posted by JessicaHoff in Church of the East, Early Church, Faith

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Catholic Church, Christianity, controversy, Grace, history

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The recent exchanges between Struans and Servus Fidelis have, as I told Neo the other evening, seen AATW at its best. It has developed, thanks to those who read and comment here, into a place where those from all parts of the Christian tradition can interact and explore what unites and divides them. It is inevitable, given history and our fallen nature, that we will often have occasion to dwell on the divisions, and sometimes to reflect in our words to each other, the bitterness which caused and followed schism. But, at our best, we can discuss these things in a way which generates more light than heat, and anyone reading the posts these past few days will have found two things: much that is illuminating; and an example of how Christians can treat each other when we remember Christ’s injunction about loving each other. The easy, and so oft-taken path, of justifying abuse by adding to it with the claim that other Christians are not our brothers, is one we usually do not take here. That can lead some to comment occasionally that we gloss over dividing points – well, I do not think these posts, or the comments they have provoked, do that. I think they do clear away lots of detritus and direct us to the heart of what unites and divides us – the idea of the church.

For my mind, there is no doubt that Jesus founded a Church. We know, too that the early Christians were concerned about right belief, holding on the the Apostolic traditions, and ensuring the doctrinal content of the faith.  Across the first four centuries of Christianity there was a good deal of argument over doctrine, and the Trinity, which is there in Scripture – Father, Son and Holy Ghost – was the outcome of this debate and discussion. Those who did not agree were declared not to be Christians, but even among those who agreed, so it transpired, there was not union.

In the West we often think the schisms came with the Reformation, or, for those aware of Orthodoxy, 1054, but we really see it as early as 431 when those who did not accept the outcome of the Council of Ephesus found themselves outside the framework of the Church. In reality, that had happened even earlier.

As Struans will (soon, I hope) remind us, Christianity spread beyond the boundaries of the Roman Empire, and the invitations to Councils like Ephesus were often only sent to those within that Empire. So, the fathers of what we call the Syriac Orthodox Church were not invited, and later heard that Nestorius had not been given a fair hearing and they refused to regard him as a heretic without a hearing. That did not mean they were, as they we later called. “Nestorian”. They did not acknowledge any supremacy of Rome, because for them it had never been an issue.

This, for me, is a key point. If, as we are told, it was necessary for all Christians to acknowledge the primacy of Rome, how was it that these Christians beyond the Roman Empire had never heard of it and knew nothing of it? They were quite willing, as were others, to listen to what the successor of Peter said, but given the distances and the communication problems, they could hardly sit around and wait for his verdict – even had that been their tradition; but it was not their tradition – it was that of Western Christians, who later insisted that it was universal. It seems hard to escape that conclusion if one examines the history of Christianity in its global context.

What happens if we try to explain this rather than shoe-horn it into our Western models? There is, it seems to me, one church. The Church which acknowledges the Risen Christ and which accepts the historic Creeds spread across the globe from the beginning. In the Mediterranean world of the Roman Empire, two Patriarchs came through the trials of history to make claims about which of them had primacy and what sort of primacy they had and, indeed, about what the word meant. Outside of that world there were Churches who had scarcely heard of either Patriarch, and who would have regarded their claims as presumption and their quarrelling as deplorable.

So, it seems to me that we either take the view that only those Churches which had heard of Roma and accepted its claims a Christians, or we accept that the Church founded by Jesus subsists in this mortal world in a number of forms. If one reads what Rome itself writes in documents such as Lumen Gentium and Dominus Iesus, it is hard not to reach the conclusion it takes the view that it is the only Church, a claim which it makes well, but which explains precisely nothing about those historic churches which have known nothing of it and its claims. If one reads much Protestant apologetic, it is the mirror-image, which Rome not being Christian at all. But that narrow and inadequate ecclesiology also has nothing to say of those outside the West.

It is as though still, sixteen hundred years on, the children of the Roman Empire cannot accept that the Christian Church was not confined to it, and its divisions cannot explain to us what Christ’s Church is. If we would try finding an answer to that, we might yet become more humble in the face of the suffering of Christians across the glob.

 

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Faith and power

12 Thursday Dec 2013

Posted by John Charmley in Church of the East, Faith, Politics, Pope

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Geoffrey is right to say that Rome’s position has created problems, and that there is a tension between political power and our faith. Jesus gave us wise advice about rendering certain things to Caesar, but, by the nature of these things, Caesar’s demands tend towards the insatiable. It was for this very reason that successive Popes created a Papal State which would give them some protection; we can see from other examples what the alternatives were. With the Church of the East it turned into something close to extermination; with Constantinople it turned into something like a theocracy, but with the Emperor in the driving seat; and in Rome it turned into a Renaissance State needing to defend its own – with all the things that brought with it.  Different people will have different opinions as to which of these was most desirable; few will think any of them a model; but in the real world a fourth and better one has not evolved. Indeed, as the State in the Wet begins to withdraw from supporting Christianity, it may be that even the one most criticised by Protestants will come to look desirable.

In the world in which the Christian has to exist, polities will make demands on him or her, and the nature of the modern state tends towards totalitarianism in as far as it enshrines into its law those standards it wishes to support.  Because it has been a long and difficult fight for the British State to get agreement to ‘gay marriage’, it will proceed more cautiously on other matters; but in the end it will insist that all citizens signs up to those laws the State enacts; no exceptions. Yes, for now there are, but for now we live in the afterglow of a time when the Church of England was really the State Church and really had some countervailing influence to secular values. That time is passing, and a generation or so from now, the Catholic Church, and any other Church which does not ‘recognise’ ‘gay marriage’ will have been sued into accepting it in some way. But even that will not satisfy the legal zealots; my advice to the young is that if they wish to get rich, get into this area of the law: a bonanza is coming.

The ways of God are not of this world, and His message to mankind not one it wishes to hear: ‘Repent, for the kingdom of God is nigh’.  Man tends to reject this, and to resent the messenger. Whatever the culture is, we are counter-cultural.  But the State will exact a price. If it is Christian, that price is that the Church approves some of what it does; if it is not, it is higher. There are always those who think that we should not compromise; fewer when the time for real martyrdom comes.

Rome has provided, and continues to provide, a non-national, supra-national authority to which Catholics can appeal.  It is not perfect, it is not ideal, it is a Church full of sinners. But I am unsure the other options on offer are more desirable.

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