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In the Facebook Lent Book Group one member has noted that Sheild Upjohn is very reluctant to take sides in the various theological issues she herself raises. In the chapter on “prayer” this is clearest on two issue which readers of this blog will recognise – praying the Rosary and praying with the Saints.
Our old correspondent, Bosco, was very hot on these issues. Like many Protestants of an Evangelical bent (if that is what he was), Bosco objected to praying the Rosary, reminding us that we had been warned against vain repetition, adding for good measure that we shouldn’t pray to the Holy Virgin (whose virginity he, in rather poor form even for him, denied) or the saints. Ms Upjohn’s delicacy is perhaps understandable. New readers here need only to put “Bosco” into the search bar on the blog to find some prime examples of prejudice uniformed by knowledge, allied to a firm refusual to rethink once informed. It’s a way of being, but not one which commends itself to anyone who does not already hold such views.
Catholic actually pray “with” the Saints, not to them; the same is true of the greatest of the Saints, Our Lady. If you do not believe there is a “great cloud of witnesses” then so be it, but at least do fellow Christians the courtesy of informing yourself what they say they believe. Can devotion be misinterpreted? It can, and those Anglo-Saxons who feel uneasy with overt displays of emotion, may well find themselves feeling that way about some of the devotions practised by those whose culture makes them very easy with such displays; but they might like to reflect that understanding requires more than observation uninformed by knowledge. Empathy matters, and before we rush to judge others, we might think to exercise it.
It raises the issue of what prayer is for? Mother Julian is a good guide here, writing in chapter 41:
Our Lord himself is the first to receive our prayer, as I see it. He takes it, full of thanks and joy, and he sends it up above, and sets it in the treasury, where it will never be lost. It is there before God and all his holy ones – continually heard, continually helping our needs. When we come to heaven, our prayers will be given to us as part of our delight – with endless joyful tasks from God.
chapter 41
I have found praying the Rosary whilst walking an excellent way of taking two forms of exercise, and I know Jessica has found it useful after I recommended it to her. In so praying it helps my mind focus on the Scriptural passages behind each part of the Rosary. The idea that it somehow raises Our Lady to divine status could, I suspect, be raised only by one who brought it with them because of a suspicion that Catholics do that. There has been a very long history of anti-Catholicsm in the Anglo-Saxon world, and even though we are now in a more secular age, traces of it linger, and added to that we have the aggressive secularism which finds all religion a survival of what it dismisses as medieval superstition, without ever understanding it.
Here, again, Julian is helpful. In chapter 25, Jesus offers her a vision of the Blessed Virgin in heaven:
And with this very same expression of gladness and joy, our good Lord looked down on his right side and brought my mind to where our Lady stood during his Passion, and he said, ‘Would you like to see her?’ … as if he had said, ‘Would you like to see how I love her, so that you can rejoice with me, in the love that I have for her and she for me? … Would you like to see in her how you are loved. For the love of you I made her so exalted, so noble and of such worth; and this delights me, and I want it to delight you.
Chapter 25
Sheila Upjohn’s approach is irenic in the best way. Experience has taught he what it has taught others, which is that you cannot really argue about this issue, all you can do is to try to enter into an understanding of why, for so many of us, Our Lady is so loved. That is not a bad pattern for us during Lent.
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It never ceases to amaze me; folks who know me know I scour the internet – sometimes in research, sometimes for fun. I was, just a couple of years ago, doing some research on Christ and Christianity and stumbled on a video that shocked me. In the title were the words ‘the Great Satan’. What the heck is this about, I wondered. So I viewed it. The video was against the Roman Catholic Church. I was staggered! That was a charge from hundreds of years ago, I thought. That it is still around simply amazed me. And that people still buy into it is almost beyond my comprehension.
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In so many cases, Audre, those who support this line rely on “information” which is not only out of date, but was inaccurate when it was not out of date. Those who react in what I would call a Bosco way, might reflect of the quality of witness they offer the world.
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This topic is always difficult for me to comment on, because I am not a Catholic. I do occasionally recite the Ave Maria, but I don’t view the liturgical expressions of our faith as universal. To the extent they work for people, people should avail themselves, but not everyone does find such things help them in communing with God. We are fortunate now that we have a modus vivendi , so each can worship and live as he feels led without fearing the powers of the state. For my part, conscience and authenticity are important. While you and Jess find the offices helpful, in my spiritual walk at present something simpler is required. In our prayers of intercession at my church, we just pray in ordinary language and that works for us. Baptist meetings are arguably closer to Quaker ones in style than they are to Catholic and Orthodox liturgy..
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Thank you Nicholas. I am a great believer in “what works for you”. God made us all, and there is a diversity which He willed, and which if we are wise, we should heed. If it works for you in your pilgrimage, stick with it.
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