
Every now and then in the comments section, someone will tell me that this or that is what the Catholic Church teaches, as though I am a Protestant. That’s either kind or unkind of them according to taste, but to put it beyond doubt, like most Anglicans I consider myself a Catholic, and so let me explain a bit.
To start with, the Church is an organic institution and in its visible form, it changes. Thus, prior to the French Revolution and the rise of nationalism in the nineteenth century, the Roman Catholic Church was a loose federation of churches under the headship of the Pope in Rome. The precise extent of his powers were not defined, and one of the effects of the changes in Europe in the nineteenth century was the need to make explicit what Pius IX and the Ultramontanes claimed had always been agreed – that the Pope was, in certain matters, infallible. I don’t have a dog in that fight, but use it as an example of how the visible church here on earth changes in response to events. At Vatican II it acknowledged, for the first time, that the visible church had some deficiencies: ‘This empirical church,’ it stated, ‘reveals the mystery [of the Church] but not without shadows, and it does so until it is brought into the full light of Christ, who also reached glory through humiliation.’
My own Church, in repudiating Rome’s jurisdiction, already, in the sixteenth century acknowledged this problem; indeed it was one of the difficulties which precipitated the Reformation, that Rome regarded itself as not in need of reform because what is taught was ‘once delivered’ to the saints, not acknowledging that difference which those wanting reform saw. The English bishop, John Jewell expressed this well when he wrote: ‘The general or outward Church of God’s elect is visible and may be seen; but the very true Church of God’s elect is invisible and cannot be seen or discerned by man, but it known to God alone.’ [Works, Pt. 4, p. 668]
Hooker elaborated on this. The Church of England was, he stated in his Ecclesiastical Polity, only part of the Catholic Church, existing for the preservation of Christianity in which ‘consideration as the main body of the sea being one, yet within divers precincts has divers names; so the Catholic Church is in like sort divided into a number of distinct societies, everyone of which is termed a church within itself.’ The Church had its faults, and, unlike some of those with a more sectarian mind-set, Hooker could consider that Rome was a ‘church’ too: ‘we have,’ he wrote, ‘and do hold fellowship with them [Rome] for even as the Apostle doth say of Israel, that they are in one respect enemies but in another beloved of God; in like sort with Rome we dare not communicate concerning her gross and grievous abominations, yet touching those main part of Christian truth wherein they constantly still persist, we gladly acknowledge them to be of the family of Jesus Christ.’ For the time and the circumstances, this was a remarkably irenic view.
For Hooker, what the New Testament envisages in its imagery about the Church is, to some extent, visible in the Church of England and in the Church of Rome and, I am sure he’d have agreed, the Orthodox Churches, but it is imperfect. The mystery is present but imperfectly revealed. The catholicity of the church is to be found by those who are attentive to the Gospel’s message and who are being formed in its image through that attention and through the Eucharist. This formation in Christ is the real tradition and is the dynamic part of a triad formed by reason, scripture and the church.
For Hooker, and for most Anglicans, the way in which we represent the Gospel and the forms through which we do it are framed within the context of the ‘place and persons for which they are made.’ Nations, and peoples, are not all alike and, as Hooker sagely remarks: ‘the giving of one kind of positive laws unto only one people, without any liberty to alter them, is but slender proof that therefore one kind should in like sort be given to serve everlastingly for all.’ It is simply not in the human condition for the form of the church not to change. It did so from the time of Christ, it will do so to the end because the Holy Spirit leads us into truth, and as truth is infinite in the person of Jesus, and as our understanding is only ever ‘as through a glass darkly’ it has to be so. Living things grow and respond to their enironment and the promptings of the Spirit. One can enjoy an ecclesiastical museum, but it’s unwise to live in it; life forms preserved in aspic and amber can be pretty, but they are dead.
Rome caught up at the time of Vatican II. At the heart of our Anglican understanding of catholicity is the acknowledgement that the universality of the visible church is impaired because communion is incomplete, but in its local expression the Catholic Church is there, even if, as Vatican II finally acknowledged it is not ‘without shadows.’ That is my own understanding of what my church teaches and of catholicity.
Well if Hooker was writing as a Catholic on the Anglicans that position is then wholly orthodox ecclesiology. What he is doing is acknowledging the validity of the sacraments. Catholics and Protestants have the same baptism.
Just so we’re clear, when I use the word “Protestant”, what I mean is that you are neither Orthodox nor Catholic. I’m not saying you don’t have the right to the claim of catholicity which basically just means universality or generalness. Lutherans are every bit as catholic as Anglicans. When I was High Anglican, I didn’t perceive myself as Protestant either. So I accept that you are not “Protestant” in the way it is understood by most Christians.
As for the “shadows”, the Church has always understood this. St. Robert Cardinal Bellarmine talks about such “occult heretics”. It is said that if you are baptized, you already have one foot in the door. Etc. It’s been late following the results here so I need sleep. I’ll put together a better response later.
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You missed the point. Hooker is writing as a Catholic because the Church of England is a Catholic Church. You are stuck in the narrow minded view that Rome alone has the power to do this. This is a view not accepted by anyone who is not a member of the Roman Church.
The phrase about shadows is used in a Vatican II document, so take up any queries with your own church.
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https://historyofnewengland.blogspot.com/2020/11/catholic-orthodox-and-meaning-of-words.html
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I shall answer over at yours.
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This is a very good representation of the classic C of E position. Nice to see Jewell cited – you are researching this well. For those interested the Vatican link is http://www.unamsanctamcatholicam.com/images/church%20schema.pdf
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You are a gem, thank you for the link. I had it but lost it – ditzy! Xx
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Just a few short years ago, I had a conversation with our parish priest about churches closing and how sad – and scary – it is. I’ve thought about his answer many times since. He said God is winnowing the churches until we will, again, be one Church.
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It does not worry me. When my father was young Elle went to church because it was the norm. Now we go because we want to. A loss in numbers is a gain in faithfulness. Our job is to work out how to evangelise! But that was the problem the Apostles had 😳 x
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Very interesting, dearest friend, and not terribly different (as expected) than the Lutheran position, Keep these coming! 🙂 xx
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After last (election) night it’s amazing I am even compos mentis – so I am glad it makes sense xx
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Indeed. And it does make sense. xx
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Giggle – tiredness makes me giggle 🙂
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That’s unusual, but then you are, dearest friend 🙂
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What can I say except to say you know whereof you speak, dearest friend xx
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🙂 xx
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If I can remember, I will refer to myself and my church as *Roman* Catholic on this blog from now on. 🙂
I find a lot of solace and comfort in that idea that all baptist Christians are a part of the universal, catholic church. It was something I couldn’t say in my previous Protestant Fundamentalist days. Anyone who didn’t agree correctly was bound for Hell. Now, oddly enough, being in the strict RCC, the tent has oddly gotten bigger.
On a different note, I always thought of the way the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) does it’s authoritative theology and ecumenical councils as being a matter of practicality as much as anything else. One priest somewhere says, “Jesus is human, but not fully God”. Another says, “Jesus is God, but not fully human.” Well, the church needs to address it. Didn’t feel the need to before, but the hand has been forced. But I may be missing the “unforced errors” of the RCC in it’s councils. Again, not totally solid on church history here.
In general though, I don’t have a problem with the RCC getting specific. There is still a lot of mystery there. You wrote about the extreme detail the RCC goes into with Transubstantiation on another post, but that doesn’t make it any less a mystery for me. I’m still just as dumbfounded at the miracle of it as if I had a less defined view of the Eucharist.
Also, isn’t there also a danger in relying on “reason, Scripture and the church” without a final arbiter? The Episcopal church in the USA was torn in two over, I think, gay marriage or women priests (maybe both? I’m not remembering). Of course, both sides could appeal to “reason, Scripture and the church.”
That was always my personal issue with Protestantism (and Anglicanism, and Eastern Orthodoxy). It was part of what brought me to the RCC.
just thinking out loud. sorry for the long comment
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Please don’t apologise, this is a really good and important comment.
I want to try to deal with the question of authority in a post soon. For Anglican’s we acknowledge the first five ecumenical councils and the doctrinal conclusions hammered out.
The ‘unforced errors’ would include the over-prescriptive definition of transubstantiation. There was no need to go that far, in a way it can obscure that mystery you rightly speak of.
You are not alone in looking to Rome because of the need for authority, and that’s where I need another post. So, thank you 😊
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