I read a lot, not least books about the Bible and our faith. If, as I believe, Scripture is the ground of everything, then it seems to me the more I know, the better. But I do sometimes wonder? I used to be fascinated by the arguments to and fro over the “historical Jesus” before it hit me one day that most of them were barking up the wrong tree – how so?
The earliest parts of the New Testament concentrate on the central message that Jesus, who died on the Cross, has risen and that as a result the hopes set out to the Jews in what we call the Old Testament are now given to all who will receive him. If you believe it’s all made up, you have to ask why anyone would start there? The Cross, that ultimate image of humiliation and suffering? If you think it’s all made up, then you’d have to explain how a conspiracy spreading from Judea through the whole Mediterranean world picked such an unlikely story.
Think just how unlikely. The things that the earliest accounts all have in common are the things their contemporary world would have found hardest to believe. Jesus did miracles. He was identified as a criminal and given the appropriate sentence. He rose again from the dead. He was the summation of the Hebrew Scriptures. He forgave sins which only God can do, and if you believed in Him you would secure everlasting life. What, in that list, attested in every Gospel and the earliest records of Paul’s teaching, would have convinced your average Jew or Gentile? Indeed, you can see why the Jerusalem Church tried to insist that circumcision and kosher food remained essential, because for many Jews the latter was a big negative. But Paul stood up and said “no” and “no” it was.
The Gospels are just that – a message. They were not designed by historians or to be read literally. That’s not to say they are not true, but it is to ask questions about what “truth” means in this context. A poem is “true” but not in the sense an historical narrative is. The two genres work, and are designed to work, in different ways and to treat a poem in the way you’d treat a work of history is to ask the wrong questions in the wrong way. To treat, as C pointed out the other day, Genesis as a scientific treatise in to use the book in a way not one of its authors meant it to be. Revelations looks, from a literal point of view, mad, but then so does Ezekiel, but once you know something of the genre of the Apocalypse, you begin to see what they are meant to be doing and how to read them.
Now you might say ‘well Jessica does not believe in the literal truth of the Bible,’ to which my response is, ‘you are right, because your use of the word “literal” is inappropriate. A literal reading of “Little Gidding” tells you its about a visit to a church in Cambridgeshire. That’s actually the least interesting thing in the poem, even read literally. If you would be mad to read Eliot’s great poem that way, why do it to the greatest work of literature ever assembled between one set of covers?
Now contemporaries knew what the message was an how to receive it, and if we read with the eye of faith and in prayer, we, too, with help, can do so, but we need to get away from our society’s obsession with literalism. We need to rediscover the joy of meditative reading, of poetic reading, of finding the truth spelt clearly for the faithful reader. Yes, the Bible is a book for all time, our mistake, so often, is to read it with the wrong spectacles on asking the wrong questions of it.
If we take the examples of John: 2-4:
Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”
And Matthew 12:49:
But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?”
These are used by some Protestants to argue that Mary was not very important and that those of us who venerate her are mistaken – ‘look, it’s in the Bible.’
Yes it is. But how are they reading it? No one read these passages that way for most of the history of Christianity. Not a single Church Father thought Jesus was disrespecting his mother. After all Jesus believed in the Commandments and in honouring your father and mother. Jesus’ last action with her was to commend her to the care of St John, hardly the act of one who did not care. Moreover, every Church Father knew how a good Jewish boy regarded his mother. Those who read in the tradition and faith knew these things, and know them still: tradition, faith and reason help us read aright.
Now, if you live in a patriarchal society where women are at best second class citizens, and if you know nothing about Jewish customs or life in the Holy Land, and if all you have to go by is what you think the Scriptures mean, and if in addition, you have an axe to grind with the Catholic Church, it’s easy to see how you might get those passages badly wrong and assume Jesus was disrespecting his mother. But really, how purblind can you get? Do you really think that? On the balance of reason? ‘But it’s in the Bible!’ they say. ‘No, it’s in your head and you put that spin on it,’ I reply.
That is why we read in faith, through tradition and reason. If your reading, unaided by the tradition of the church gets you to a point where your version of Jesus breaks one of the Commandments and treats his mother like a jerk would, it’s time to get help and learn how to read the Bible.
At this point, I duck behind a headge! Have a blessed Sunday.
I had to laugh at your last sentence – it made me think I hope your ‘spiritual armor” is made of kevlar, lol!
But here’s what I wanted to respond to: ” Jesus did miracles.” There are certain things in the Bible that cause me to laugh out loud. They tend to be the stories wherein we see ourselves entirely too clearly.
Exodus 7:10 Moses and the Pharaoh’s magicians. I can hear that conversation so clearly in my head – all in today’s parlance, of course. The magicians throw their rods on the ground and they turn into snakes. Moses says to Aaron, “Hold my beer.” Moses throws his rod on the ground and his snake swallows all the others. He turns to the magicians while this is happening and says, ” I gotcha snake for ya right here.” I’m laughing while I’m typing this, lol!
I think of this every Halloween, when the new crop of horror movies are released. In order for the film to convince the audience that the ‘thing-that’s-gunna- getcha” is so bad, they have a character try to do away with the ‘thing’ by calling on Jesus. Acts 19:15 just makes me howl (pardon the pun) with laughter. Two guys, who have seen St. Paul banish evil spirits from people, are walking down the street. They see someone possessed of the devil. One guy elbows the other guy in ribs and says, “Watch this …” He then proceeds to try to exorcise the possessed man using the names of Jesus and Paul. The voice of the demon says, “I know Jesus and I know Paul … now this is where my entirely too earthly self takes over – the demon says, I know Jesus and I know Paul; who the hell are you? And then proceeds to beat up both guys, tears their clothes to shreds, and they run away naked. The demon (in my head, of course) hollers , “How’s that workin’ for ya?”
But the best one, I think, is the story of Simon Magus in Acts 8: 9-24. Oh, my gosh – I may have had too much Mountain Dew this morning. Anyway – I’ll jump to the punchline because you know the story – Simon tells Paul he can fly. I’m laughing already. So Simon Magus and Paul go to the top of the highest tower in town (it was probably Trump Tower [wink]). Simon and Paul look over the edge and it’s a long way down. A l-o-n-g way down. Simon looks at Paul and says, “I’m gunna jump off the ledge and fly.” Paul looks over the edge again then back at Simon and says, “Ok.” And then grins. So Simon hurls himself off the roof and plummets to the ground. People who have gathered around to watch are horrified. They say to Simon, “How could you let him do it?” To which, smiling, Paul says, “He said he could do it.”
I’m having entirely too much fun this morning.
LikeLiked by 2 people
I was laughing so much I mistyped! At the end, the horrified people say to Paul – not Simon as I typed above.
LikeLiked by 1 person
I’m glad you shared it – had me laughing out loud 🙂 Thank you xx
LikeLiked by 2 people
Had me laughin’ when I was typing it. So glad you got a laugh, too.
LikeLiked by 1 person
I did, and just want to say I love what you write and the way you write – so happy to make your acquaintance here. Nice to have another woman here xx
LikeLiked by 2 people
Gosh I’m sorry! I just saw this today! Thank you for those kind words and I’m happy to meet you, too!
LikeLiked by 1 person
Thank you so much 🙂 x
LikeLike
I have mixed thoughts about this post, as there are parts I agree with, and parts and I don’t and parts where I’m not quite sure – but you’re still my sister in Christ and I don’t want us to argue. If you permit, I would however like to set out some of where I’m coming from.
Genesis:
I don’t treat parts of Genesis 1 literally, but I am agnostic about whether that is because the author did not intend them to be literal or because the author was mistaken. I am not a strict inerrantist in the way that some Protestants are. My view of inspiration can cope with mistakes in Scripture, provided they are made in good faith and are of a certain kind.
I do not deny various literal core truths of early Genesis, however, but I allow for mistakes and/or poetic exaggeration (hyperbole), etc, but I don’t handle the Gospels in the same way that I hand Genesis. I follow tradition and am content to accept Moses as the main author of Genesis from a writing point of view, but I consider that the production involved: (1) him drawing on oral traditions of the Israelites; (2) some revelation from God (perhaps); (3) some written sources (perhaps – possibly Egyptian); and (4) likely editing after his death by subsequent scribes to keep some parts intelligible to later generations of Israelites (this would be very minor and involve things like place names).
I accept the modern scientific consensus about the age of the earth and evolution (although note that even when the basic outlines are settled, there is always refining work to do). This has been liberating once I was able to find it compatible with Scripture, because it allowed me to enjoy the Book of Nature again and trust God in ways I could not do before – very valuable. I regret the reception of No Man’s Land and his posts on TOE at the time, but I was bound by conscience and did not have the means at the time of finding accommodation. This was also coupled with the difficulty that he, like many writers, had in his objectives, and presenting his material, and making his arguments. The fact that he persevered with us is important.
I do view Adam and Eve as literal persons, however – just not the first humans are the source of all our genetic material. Humans sinned before Adam and Eve – but not necessarily in the sense of having mens rea and if they did, their sins were against the limited ethical knowledge in their consciences. Adam and Eve introduced direct rebellion against God into our creation, because they broke a revealed commandment of God and had direct fellowship with Him. They were rebels and oathbreakers, having sided with the Serpent – who led the rebellion among the spiritual children of God.
All humans are made in the image of God -but Adam and Eve were the beginning of the kingdom of God. Their special creation and constitution as a covenant community was analogous to the later creation and purpose of Israel – and this is part of how ancient Israel understood them. They broke their covenant, just as Israel did theirs.
I also believe in a literal flood – but it was local, not global. The best candidate for this flood is the one circa 10,000 BC that permanently flooded parts of the Arabian peninsula and the Persian Gulf. This fits with various geographical remembrances and also with the pagan Mesopotamian tradition, which locates the land of Dilmun around the Bahrain area. Sub-aqueous archaeology is very expensive and problematic and this flood was devastating – but I imagine that it would, in theory provide evidence of a pre-flood chalcolithic or similar civilisation that would correspond to the pre-flood world of this portion of humanity. This would make this theory verifiable in principle, which is good from a scientific and epsitemological stand point.
This theory also fits with what we know of genetics, which shows close genetic links between some human families (the sons of Noah’s descendants), but not between all (because parts of humanity were not in the region of the flood) as well as mixing (between the sons of Noah’s descendants and the humans in non-flooded regions they came into contact with following their dispersal). This is not a problem theologically because all humans are made in the image of God, just as it is not a problem that Israel was a special creation of God because through Jesus all humans can be saved. If you are interested, I would recommend Joshua Swamidass’ work on Adam and Eve as the most recent common ancestor as well as the work of John Walton and the website of one of the reviers of Swamidass’ book on Amazon,
The Gospels:
I don’t know to what extent, if any, you are influenced by Michael Licona, but I strongly reject his work and recommend Lydia McGrew instead. I also recommend my review of her book, The Mirror or the Mask, which you can find on Amazon. She is working on a book about John’s Gospel in particular, currently working-titled, The Eye of the Beholder, which I expect will be very good.
Revelation and Ezekiel:
While I affirm metaphorical language, I would also insist that (1) the prophet and John really did experience these visions and record them as eyewitness testimony – they were not created ex nihilo by the authors. I’m not suggesting you think this, but there could be others who do. This is important because it speaks to the authority and authenticity of the message. (2) Metaphors always stand for something and apocalyptic ones are generally parabolic/allegorical in nature – that is they have particular referrents with particular relationships. They are not vague, but teach something quite specific and detailed. To understand these messages one needs some historical context, but one also needs to pay attention to grammar, syntax, sequence, parallel, and internal logic. The eschatology I espouse is detailed, but I can justify each inference by reference to the Greek and the master text, which is the Olivet Discourse.
LikeLiked by 1 person
In all honesty, there is too many problems that arrive with sin prior to Adam and Eve. You might as well just throw Romans in the trash for one.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Should read *There are too many prob!ems that arise.
LikeLike
Well, I’m not committed to the idea of sin before Adam and Eve -but the explanation I have presented is a possible starting point for people who want to try that route. I do think, however, that Adam and Eve as the first humans is just not possible from a scientific standpoint and I don’t think it fits with genetics or archaeology. I also think that the reading of Genesis 2 as a recapitulation of Genesis 1 is a priori. It’s possible as a literary technique and may be correct, but reading them sequentially is arguable more natural and straightfoward. Authorial intent is problematic, but the version of inspiration I espouse can cope with either direction.
LikeLike
To be honest, I like the intellect children theory, from a Thomistic view, it’s the highest power of the soul, in a sense they are the first persons, etc. Furthermore, I think Genesis even admits to other homo species in reference to Cain. I take a theological monogenism, but leave room for polygenism in the world. The wife in Nod would be unsouled, but any children would have souls.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Yes, that is along the lines of how I conceptualise it. The best evidence suggests that we emerged as a population and migrated from Africa and spread to other parts of the world. Cain would join other humans who already existed (somewhere in the Arabian/Mesopotamian region) and a civilisation would be built among them. For all we know the durable material remains of that civilisation may still exist somewhere under the Persian Gulf or the sands or Iraq or Arabia.
LikeLike
There ‘s one difficulty though is that when this separation occurs, I can’t work out the interactions between the persons with intellect via non power. I guess is Some sense of Cain is a brute, it might not matter ?
LikeLike
I don’t think we have enough information to really plumb the depths of that problem. We can speculate in various directions and see what makes sense…what matters is that our theology recognises all humans as made in the image of God. There can be no room for racism, etc. We also need more humility towards the animal kingdom. We may eat them, etc, but that should not stop us from hoping for a world where we do them as little harm as possible.
LikeLike
If we’re making recommendations, Pope Benedict XVI Jesus of Nazareth series approaches the texts of the new testament as trustworthy, historically critiqued, but expressed the best theology is done on one’s knees. Theology is subalternate science, it’s a top down approach, and academics tend to forget it.
LikeLiked by 1 person
I’m not particularly familiar with his work, but there are very serious problems with Licona’s. I rarely use the word heretic, but Licona is dangerously close to that. His work is not only methodologically problematic from a rigorous academic perspective, but theologically very dangerous. If he were right, I would apostatise.
LikeLike
I like Benedict’s honesty. For instance with the Magi, substance quote, he says there’s something historical here by the memory , but more or less I can’t put my finger on what it is.
LikeLiked by 2 people
Well magoi, as you know, can mean various things and we have to make allowances for the use of different languages by non-native speakers (e.g. Jewish use of Koine Greek). They would not necessarily have to belong to the magian tribe to count as magoi, just as astronomers/astrologers generally could be called Chaldeans, but need not ethnically have been such.
LikeLiked by 1 person
I think that falls in the BXVI point , there’s something here but it can be anything .
LikeLiked by 2 people
There is a line of thought that this group had some connection with the prophet Daniel, but it’s currently impossible to support that theory as we have no written or other evidence, only speculation based on certain passages of Scripture. I don’t see a problem with it as a historical event. I think it’s important that, in allowing for what evidence suggests, we still have room for miracles. Note on Adam and Eve I accept their miraculous, direct creation for God – I just don’t think the genetic data supports the view of them as the origin of humanity – only as the origin of a blood line that became dominant within the species.
LikeLike
It’s also important I think to know that it’s okay to assent by way of the intellect to some aspects of it, but the heart of the faith is faith, especially with things not self evident .
LikeLiked by 1 person
I’ve no problem here, Nicholas, none at all. Genre matters. Once you realise that Revelation is in the Apochryphra genre, it becomes more intelligible; if you try to treat it as you would read Mark’s Gospel, you will end up puzzled.
I don’t even think that you have to say ‘it’s metaphorical,’ as though the writers of ancient texts thought in our categories. Do I think Jonah spent three days and nights in the belly of a whale, no, do I think that the writer is trying to convey the dark place we end up if we do not do what we know God wants of us, yes.
LikeLiked by 3 people
It is true that Scripture has multiple layers of meaning, and it is also true that the person reading Scripture has multiple modes of understanding any object which they encounter. There has been a consensus in the West over the past few centuries that the discursive, verbal, part of the brain is the only useful organ of understanding and that it is the organ used by the writers of the bible, who expected that their readers would only use that particular part of their mind when reading what they had written.
Mind, though, is more than its discursive function, and understanding, although necessarily consonant with Reason, cannot always be verbalised in a fully accurate way. So, as the Scripture authors brought their whole selves to writing their texts we need to bring our whole selves to reading them. Since this is a massively complex process we also need to draw on the experience of those who have gone before us and applied themselves to the same task.
Which is to say that historical context and accuracy of detail are significant features of the Bible but not necessarily in the ways and for the reasons that a person who only uses a narrow part of their mind to comprehend it with think that they are important. And also we are links in a chain of writers and readers not individual islands.
LikeLiked by 2 people
Thanks – you put it so beautifully 🙂 xx
LikeLiked by 1 person
Jeez, Louise, relax guys. Out ginger Anglicans are right. The Bible must be read poetically, it’s a story, sure it’s true, figuratively and a good bit of it literally, as well. But it’s a story, in part history, in part historical romance and/or an epic, and in part prophecy.
Christianity is a joyous religion, not a somber debunking of a book. Personally, I’m going to join the girls behind the hedge, they make salvation fun, not a turgid recitation of facts and theories.
Great Post, dearest friend, and a wonderful response, Audre.
LikeLiked by 3 people
Duck! Duck now!!!
LikeLiked by 2 people
Indeed! Incoming!
LikeLiked by 2 people
Basically there are three reasons why I take this stuff the way that I do:
(1) The non-disciplined crowd that don’t know how to handle imagery (as alas are churned out by even top-ranking university theology programs) end up stripping the Bible of its historical content. Too much in that direction and we end up with no crucifixion and no resurrection and therefore no salvation and no Christianity. I’m keen to make sure no one heads in that direction. See St Paul’s comment about us being the most wretched.
LikeLiked by 3 people
Sure, and I, Audre, and Jess, agree, I think. But that’s no reason not to relax occasionally.
LikeLiked by 3 people
To have this conversation with Nicholas is relaxing for me.
LikeLiked by 4 people
Then enjoy!
LikeLiked by 3 people
Thank you, dearest friend, and re-reading Audre’s comment to respond just now made me giggle all over again! xx
LikeLiked by 3 people