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We have been here before, at least in England and other parts of Christendom. It has been estimated that upto ninety percent of the artwork of medieval England was destroyed at the Reformation. The “Reformers” regarded statues as idols and broke and burnt them. The statue of Our Lady of Walsingham, along with the medieval Abbey, one of the greatest pilgrimage sites in Europe, was destroyed. There was only one way to regard such statues – idolatry – and if you failed to agree, then you too were marked for destruction. Depressing as it is, we seem to be here again.
The original Christian iconoclasts were led by Emperor Leo III (717-741) who banned the use of images and had many destroyed. John of Damascus led the argument against the iconclasts, and at the Seventh Ecumenical Council at Nicaea in 787, the Empress Ireme secured a victory against iconoclasm. One of the proximate causes of the crisis was the fact that the new religion of Islam took a very hard line indeed on images, and there had been those in the Church who thought that by taking the same view, they could stem the rise of Islam. They were wrong. So were those who thought that Nicaea 787 had solved the problem.
There seems to be, in our fallen nature, an almost Caliban-like instinct to destroy images our ourselves – perhaps some cannot bear to look into the mirror, like Shakespeare’s Caliban. There will, of course, always be those whose attempt to regulate thought includes governance over what might and might not be displayed in public, whether it is the ankles of a woman or the statue of someone of whom they disapprove.
In democratic countries there is a legal process by which statues can be erected, and there is one by which they can be removed, which is why comparisons with what happened in the former Communist bloc and Iraq are wide of the mark. It may be that there are those who think mob rule preferable to the tedium of democratic process, but it may be unwise to pay them Danegeld.
Historically, destroying representations of people has tended to be accompanied by harming real people. The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and every human life is sacred. Orthodox Christianity has tended to eschew iconoclasm for good reasons. now is not the time to change. As a reminder of the past, I include not a statue, but a poem:
A Lament for Our Lady’s Shrine at Walsingham
In the wracks of Walsingham
Whom should I choose
But the Queen of Walsingham
to be my guide and muse.
Then, thou Prince of Walsingham,
Grant me to frame
Bitter plaints to rue thy wrong,
Bitter woe for thy name.
Bitter was it so to see
The seely sheep
Murdered by the ravenous wolves
While the shepherds did sleep.
Bitter was it, O to view
The sacred vine,
Whilst the gardeners played all close,
Rooted up by the swine.
Bitter, bitter, O to behold
The grass to grow
Where the walls of Walsingham
So stately did show.
Such were the worth of Walsingham
While she did stand,
Such are the wracks as now do show
Of that Holy Land.
Level, level, with the ground
The towers do lie,
Which, with their golden glittering tops,
Pierced once to the sky.
Where were gates are no gates now,
The ways unknown
Where the press of peers did pass
While her fame was blown.
Owls do scrike where the sweetest hymns
Lately were sung,
Toads and serpents hold their dens
Where the palmers did throng.
Weep, weep, O Walsingham,
Whose days are nights,
Blessings turned to blasphemies,
Holy deeds to despites.
Sin is where Our Lady sat,
Heaven is turned to hell,
Satan sits where Our Lord did sway —
Walsingham, O farewell!
A few years ago I blogged about this (Statues: More Not Fewer https://thoughtfullydetached.wordpress.com/2017/09/03/statues-more-not-fewer/) there is a distinction between destroying images of a dead belief system, as ISIS did at Palmyra, and a living one, as the Reformers did.
ISIS attacked objects which no one had worshipped for thousands of years because people *used* to worship them. In the UK and the USA people are attacking certain statues not because they reflect current thinking but because they represent historic thinking. In destroying the built environment of the present they are seeking to atone for the sins of the past by making them as if they had never been.
The Western iconoclasts though are also attacking objects of current belief not just Catholic Saints but also representative figures of the whole modern liberal democratic order. The aim here is not to remake the past but to reshape the present and the future. And where the tools for reshaping are the destructive urges of angry crowds acting outside the law it seems unlikely that the future which they shape will consist of the tranquillity of order and the reign of justice. That was just a dream some of us had as Joni Mitchell once put it.
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Since I cannot, for some technical reason, click the ‘like’ button and register that without going through a long series of steps, I did want to register a LIKE to your ideas on iconoclastic attacks on our history (good or bad). That is our history just like any person you meet has the same in their past; sins and good deeds. We tend to, as Christians at least, not judge people by their past. God knows if I were judged by my past nobody would be able to understand who I have become. People change as do countries and policies.
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Chalcedon – I do find the current craze for pulling down all statues somewhat distasteful.
But I think you have to be careful when you go to the generalisation. In some countries there was a phase when lots of statues of Stalin were taken down. Destruction of the representations of Stalin (and Lenin) did not seem to lead to destruction of people and this represented part of the history that people didn’t want to be reminded of every day when they took a walk in the city centre.
With the current situation in the UK – and the craze for removing statues – I’m in complete agreement.
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As I suggest in the piece, Stalin is not a good comparison. There was no democratic decision to put them up, or to tear them down. Where that option exists, and is ignored, there is danger.
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Chalcedon – well, fine.
I don’t live in the UK, I don’t have a TV and most of the UK newspapers are behind paywalls (and I’m not prepared to pay money to read what is essentially propaganda) so I don’t have a full picture.
From what I see, some headbangers decided to go rioting – ostensibly because they didn’t like one or two things that had been happening in the US of A, but probably the more important reason is that the football has been cancelled, so they don’t have other more innocent ways to let off steam.
As I understand it, the headbangers who did some statue removing don’t really have the support either of the population at large, or the authorities, who – where statues were successfully taken down – are recovering the statues, putting them back up and prosecuting the individuals who took them down.
I find it difficult to draw parallels here with what was going on in the reformation. One important difference – absolutely nobody is storming any church and removing statues that people of faith find helpful in their worship. If this is going on, even slightly, then it hasn’t been reported in any of the news outlets that I have seen. During the reformation, it seems to me that freedom-of-worship was not one of those freedoms that was considered legitimate and, as a Catholic, you may well have found your church ransacked and all statues and anything that looked like a work of art removed and destroyed.
Also – with some of the statues that people seem to be objecting to – I don’t see that there was a democratic decision to put the statue up in the first place. In several cases, someone with a lot of money donates a substantial amount of money to a university college and they get a statue put up in their memory.
One thing that seriously bothers me is the removal of the work-of-art outside Heriot-Watt university, which quoted the words of Alex Salmond when he said that he would never allow Scottish universities to charge fees. This was removed basically because he was considered persona-non-grata after the false allegations of the alphabet sisters, which were shown to be entirely false at the trial in court.
So I do strongly agree with your general thrust here – although some of the specifics don’t seem relevant.
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Thanks, Jock. There has been some vandalism against religious statues and icons, I fear https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/st-junipero-serra-statue-torn-down-in-san-francisco-park-81125, https://victorygirlsblog.com/black-madonna-defaced-netherlands/
I’m currently doing a debate piece for the Catholic Herald on the issue, which may be of interest and will, I hope, be freely available on line.
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Although this is an anonymous letter purported written to 2 history professors at UC Berkeley it worth the read. It may give you some insight into what the conservative black men are trying to point out but are being silenced by every means the left has at their disposal.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-2/anonymous-black-berkeley-professor-writes-open-letter-exposes-the-truth-about-blm/
Maybe some of these ideas might be of use in writing your piece for the Catholic Herald? You be the judge.
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Thanks, Scoop
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Scoop – the piece you linked to was genuinely useful and informative.
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Scoop – you know, if the article you linked to presents an accurate picture (and I have no reason to doubt this) then there is a huge `community’ just ready for revival. Right now they’re going through the `we’re innocent victims – we don’t need to repent’ stage – and Chalcedon’s link showing that they’re specifically attacking Christians is very interesting.
Now, what is `the church’ doing about this?
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Most of the Bishops on the Catholic Church are acting like Democrats pandering for votes thought there are a few who speaking the truth and they risk losing their jobs for doing so as well. Same for the priests. Many have been disciplined by their Bishops. I think the same is going on in other Christian groups as well.
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Well, in your piece you could mention the Black Madonna of Czestochowa, which was defaced by Hussite hooligans back in 1430 and has since become a very powerful icon …..
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…. I suggested Czestochowa is because I clicked on your link about the black maddona defaced in the netherlands and saw that the icon in question was one that was used by the Polish Catholic community there.
In the debate piece, you try to work in the point that this sort of vandalism can, if used properly by the church, help ultimately to strengthen the church.
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Indeed, in an odd sort of way.
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Yes. This is quite different than what goes on in the Middle East and what happened with the Communists. I wrote on my own blog that this is much more an act to preserve the democratic regime which is dying quite rapidly. No sooner than the collapse of the Soviet Empire did we see the Balkanization movement rush to restore monarchies. I’m no apocalypticist. This a political cycle, not the end of all.
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John, it seems like things are not much different than what Pius XII described back in 1950 as the same forces seem to be at work today as well.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2020/06/pius-xii-disturbances-riots-and-revolts.html
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Yes. Let’s not be surprised by the devil’s tactics against us. He should be surprised by our tactics as he was surprised when the incarnation took him by surprise.
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Chalcedon – following the links you provided yesterday, particularly the second one –
https://victorygirlsblog.com/black-madonna-defaced-netherlands/
I feel you are somewhat myopic if you consider this `anti-Catholic’ rather than anti-Christian.
The people who defaced this probably haven’t a clue about the various traditions within Christianity. For them, a Christian is a Christian is a Christian and any excuse to express their view that they don’t like Christianity very much is good as far as they are concerned.
So if your post was in response to this (going back to differences between Christians and different views that Christians had about images), then I do think that (a) you have picked up the wrong end of the stick and that (b) this myopic view seriously limits the range of Christian allies you might otherwise have.
Also – questions that need to be answered. The image was defaced by a bunch of repulsive (Satanic) headbangers. They claim to represent BLM and to be carrying these things out in the name of BLM. Have we heard anything from BLM distancing themselves from this sort of activity? Or should we take it that BLM was initially a good cause, but which has been taken over by Satanic headbangers?
By the way, I’m not sure about your comment `in an odd sort of way’. Christianity has always been stronger under persecution. It helps to weed out the `false Christians’ who make up the numbers, but who are always a down-drag. And God uses it to strengthen His people, so persecution is a win-win situation for Christianity.
I’m not sure if this counts as `persecution’ though – I get the impression that the headbanger classes simply need an outlet to let off steam, which was denied them when the football season was cancelled.
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I wasn’t really referring to differences between Christians, simply using Iconoclasm to point out we’d done our fair share of image breaking.
I am sure many of these people are thugs with not much of an agenda other than blowing off steam. It’s those manipulating them who worry me.
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