As expected, yesterday’s post on Black Lives Matter, evoked some heated responses. It is essential that we differentiate between what extremists (on both sides) say and the problem itself; to identify the two, or to deny there is a problem, seems to me self-defeating. One way lies political opportunism masquerading as concern, the other way lies a continuation of the ills which caused the problem in the first place. Whilst it is true that extremists have sought (literally) to fan the flames, the idea that the emotions behind the protests is all manufactured by sinister agencies intent on overthrowing the system, risks precipitating the danger it dismisses. Scoop, yesterday in the comments, rightly listed all the legislation passed in the USA since the Civil War, and yet there are problems to this day. Law alone is not enough. As we know, we are not saved by the Law, were that the case, Jesus would never have had to suffer and die to redeem our sins, neither would He have needed to rise again as the first-fruits of His sacrifice for us.
There are those who see the attitude of the Churches on this issue as mealy-mouthed; these are, in the main, critics of whatever Church leaders do. None of that is to say that Church leaders get it right all the time, but it is to put the heated criticism in context. Church leaders have a wider responsibility than to the scribbling and commentating classes, and even as criticism is levelled (no doubt some of it deserved) it should be leavened with that caveat. To ignore the furore would be to condemn Church leaders as out of touch, to acknowledge it risks the accusation of being an appeaser. As statues of Saints fall, Church leaders have to respond whether they will or not. Nor should ot be forgotten that Churches are multi-racial organisations. Christianity, from the beginning, has been unusual in religions in this aspect of its teaching and practice.
The main problem with the slogan “Black Livers Matter” is that taken to extremes it implies that there is a united “Black” view of the world, and it can lead, and has led to, those BAME politicians who are conservatives or Republicans, being insulted, as though they are the “wrong sort” of BAME person. This, as yesterday’s post argued, is as pernicious as the attempt to deny there is any problem in our society for people of a different skin colour. I suppose extremists will, by nature, go to extremes, but that’s no reason for the rest of us to follow them. To deny that there are those in the Church who feel that their skin colour makes them a problem for others is to deny the obvious. The orthodoxy of men like Cardinal Sarah has occasionally drawn the ire of some Western Bishops in terms which suggest that the latter may not be free sin here.
We know from St Paul’s struggles on the matter, how hard it was for him to persuade his fellow Jews that Gentiles were not “unclean” and that it was in order to break bread and share wine with them. It is very easy for us, at thise distance, to forget how fierce an argument this was among early Christians. Even St Peter, under pressure from Jerusalem, recant from his position of sharing table fellowship with Gentiles, forcing St Paul intoa fierce condemnation of his position. For St Peter to agree with St James and the Jerusalem Church undermined, for St Paul, the whole thrust of the Gospel message that “For no one is put right with God by doing what the Law requires.”
The Church is a fellowship of believers or it is nothing. The first Christians found it as hard as we often do. Men from Corinth probably found men from Rome stand-offish and a bit inclined to assume superiority; men from Rome probably found the Corinthians a bit lively for their taste; and women, such as Phoebe, would have wrestled with male condescension as much as their modern contemporaries often do. But they were one on Christ, and the Spirit worked through them to make them one, as He does with us, if we let Him.
As if there was not enough controversy around I will through climate change into the mix here. The problem with political activism around this issue is that it presumes that if you acknowledge the existence of the problem then it axiomatically follows that you *must* support the singular solution which the activists groups promote. The possibility that you can both recognise the problem and reject the ‘solution’ on the grounds that something else might work better is not countenanced.
On the equal and opposite principle people who automatically reject the ‘solution’ on the because it is socialism and they are not socialists are tempted to deny the problem also. This has the unfortunate effect of implicitly accepting the premise that the problem only has the one solution. So you get two blocs engaged in an escalating conflict which draws in people who originally had a more nuanced view but increasingly have to censor their own thoughts to include out the idea ‘maybe that isn’t the solution’ or ‘maybe there actually is a problem.’ And the possibility for reasonable good faith debate between people who differ with each other is lost.
I bring this in here because it seems like a paradigm of much of the political confrontations we are experiencing right now. No intellectually honest person can deny that some people in Western democracies face difficulties and challenges because of other peoples attitudes to the group into which they have been born. Nor is it likely that there exists only one possible way of improving that situation, a way that involves destroying much of the literal and metaphorical fabric of the broadly wealthy and successful societies, warts and all, that Westerners have inherited from their sometimes brilliant but always flawed predecessors.
Among the many things we need to pray for perhaps we should add a petition that current events will drive thousands onto the streets in socially distanced demonstrations under the slogans-
“What do we want?
NUANCE!
When do we want it?
NOW!”
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I totally agree with the broad brush concept and it is perhaps the whole of my point.
I accept a man for who he is and not because he has a particular skin color. Most people in America do the same in our day . . . no matter what the media wants to tell you the BLM crowd, the NAACP or any of the other acronyms you want or the Democratic Party that base their existence on helping the minorities and people of color.
It is a noble sounding claim and it might be taken at face value if it weren’t for the obvious fact that they are all using silencing of competing voices or broad brush strokes in painting their view of our present society as being racist. And if you don’t agree that you are a racist then you are a liar. It is a tactic used by Stalin, Mao and others throughout history to divide and overthrow governments and to ascend in power whilst throwing out the present power.
(We might be better off reading what is happening in our present world with our political spectacles on rather than our religious spectacles.)
I give blacks more credit than that. Most blacks don’t participate in these drummed up and well organized protests though some may agree with the principles that they have been indoctrinated with for the last 50 years. I don’t find that strange when you look at the money and effort that has gone into convincing them that if they are arrested more often than their population numbers then people are obviously prejudiced. But it is more complicated than that. If you don’t abide by the laws of your country or community then you will be arrested. If you are a poor and fatherless young man then you are going to be more likely to use drugs, commit crimes and get arrested no matter the color of the skin. If we are arresting more blacks we haven’t arrested enough of them in Chicago where it is the murder capital of the world . . . and predominantly black on black killings.
I do think that after years of pandering the Leftist elites have won over the vote of the majority of blacks, as polls show. But isn’t it interesting that the party of the KKK who hated blacks, jews and Catholics, is now the moral voice of society? I find it appalling that now even Abraham Lincoln statues are being destroyed. The whites who marched with blacks in the 60’s and killed and spilt their blood are not even worth defending. I don’t blame blacks for this situation. I blame those who would use blacks as political pawns to throw out our Constitution. It is no different than the Communists who infiltrated the Church in Bella Dodds day. Communists always look to people who have grievances with their present government to stir up divisions. It is working.
This is simply anarchy and if we in the Republican or Conservative camp don’t start fighting back then this country will have a regime change, or coup the likes of which are hard to fathom. And the basis will be the big lie. And the outcome for the black community if they are ever successful is that they will no longer enjoy the freedoms they have today. They will look more like the people in Venezuela on a bad day.
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There does seem to be a socialist/interventionist agenda to a lot of the sloganeering, etc (see the whole sorry CHAZ affair). It is all very well to point to “extremists”, but there are questions that need to be answered before we can accept what is being asked of us (if at all) and until there are satisfactory answers to those questions, my position remains unaltered. What is tendentiously asserted may be tendentiously denied.
1. What is the actual definition of “extremist” being used? From my vantage points many things that lots of people would label as “moderate” or “progressive” would be extremist from my vantage point, and I can hardly be called a hard-core conservative by those within conservative ranks,
2. Even if we can define extremist, do we actually know that those views are held by a small minority as opposed to a significant minority, half, or a majority?
3. Even if these are minority views, what assurances do we have that the masses who do not promote them will not nevertheless accede to them because to do so is easier than to resist (consider the position in Germany, where not enough was done from the inside to stop Hitler, such that he became the world’s problem)?
4. Where do they think the money will come from to meet the financial demands that are being made and how can so-called “positive discrimination” be justified?
I am with Scoop on this one. These matters are complex and while I take Chalcedon’s points in principle, I am not about to put down my metaphorical gun to speak with bandits. There will be no meeting of minds until there is sufficient good faith on both sides.
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I am no academic in this. It’s just that I have lived through all of it. From JFK’s, MLK’s and RFK’s assassination. Whites and blacks were all stunned and appalled by this kind of event. Assassinations are the most despicable acts for the normal American. But we were also appalled when riots began and innocent people were killed, beaten and burned out of the homes and businesses. Blacks and whites had become colorless in areas such as music and in the social arena of the youth (hippie culture) as well as in sports and armed services. We agreed with law and order and we hated the racism of the past. But the groups I spoke of and the ascent of race riots frightened people understandably. I watched and witnessed friendships dissolve for fear of reprisals from groups already stated. But it did not stop us from being open to each other it only shifted the divide to that of Liberal and Conservative. I have far more in common with a black Conservative than I do with a white Liberal (or should I call them for what they are; Marxists).
Blacks were exploited in the past and we all agree. That these Marxists are exploiting these people today is being argued but one look at who is backing all the trouble will certainly straighten that out.
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I think we also have a spiritual intuition about this. While these issues are not easy to discuss and I am aware of my own biases and motivations, that does not change my overall spiritual reaction to this, which is affirmed seemingly by Vigano and others.
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Amen to that. They are not disconnected.
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On the plus side, my positive review for a book that defends the Gospels has been approved.
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Congratulations, Nick.
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It’s sad that there are culture wars in the church, but that’s where we are – madness infiltrating.
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Chalcedon – while I agree with the general thrust, I think you’re being a bit hard on Peter and James here with the disagreement in the early church.
Peter and James were simply taking the line that had been ordained by God Almighty Himself and had been correct since the time of Moses. It isn’t surprising that they had difficulties understanding, and adjusting to, what had been fulfilled (and which was therefore no longer relevant).
I simply fail to see the parallel between that situation and the situation with `black lives matter’ where there is a clear moral issue of right and wrong.
Within the `Christian’ community, one thing that always struck me as odd – and fundamentally wrong – was churches that seemed to have race as part of their characteristic. Why (for example) are there `black churches’? Isn’t there something fundamentally wrong here?
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They were indeed Jock, and that, of course, was their defence. But it took the Spirit guiding Paul to see how this was not compatible with the free Grace of God.
It is odd that there should be churches based on skin colour, but one understands where they originated, and in that, they remind us that however much we might not want to own up to it, we are part of the problem; the good news is we are also part of the solution.
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Well, yes – more accurately, we’ll do what we can (by the grace of God) to be part of the solution and we would like to see a solution. But what is the solution?
I was in California at the time of the Rodney King riots in 1992. These were caused by police brutality against a black person. It’s quite alarming and depressing to see that in the last 30 years, essentially nothing has changed.
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Jock, you are correct, nothing has changed. Blacks ignore black murders of black people, but scream their lungs out when a white person kills a black person. Blacks are racist to the core.
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One of the two women founders of BLM speaks of their training in Marxism. This is no secret except on the BLM website and in accolades they get from those who are cheerleaders of this movement.
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Yes, they are Marxists. Last time I looked, we still lived in a society in which that was legal. Did anyone imagine they were liberals?
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By Marxist, I presume you mean someone who enjoys watching some of the Marx brothers movies.
Even though their Marxist solutions may be dead wrong, they have been fed very good ammunition. If the police force actually did what it was supposed to (and didn’t contain a substantial number of police who enjoyed gratuitously beating people up and shooting them) then this Marxist organisation would never have got off the ground.
I do wonder why the police force in the US is the way it is – where do they recruit their bad eggs from, etc …..
This video (P.C. McGarry from Camberwick Green) gives an idea of what the police force should be like (and what my 4-year old son thinks is typical for a policeman).
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Jock, a FEW bad apples does not poison the whole bunch. You have been watching TOO MUCH fake news. What do you want, for them to carry no tazers or guns? For them to work only 4 days a week? For the their training to cover holding hands and singing Kum ba yah? Get real!
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No folks simply thought they were folks looking to fix ‘systemic’ racism and to ‘defund’ the cops. Though they do want to bring down Capitalism and the founders have stated that they want to do away with nuclear families. Sounds like they had studied Engels.
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I should say that sedition laws still exist as they ought:
Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.
They are sending our the addresses of members of Congress and of policemen so that they may be harassed. Nice group, eh!
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If they were company then their net worth would have gone from $0 to the billions in a mere 6 years. Note that Soros money is sprinkled all around their network.
https://www.aim.org/special-report/reds-exploiting-blacks-the-roots-of-black-lives-matter/
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Aye, BLM is a fine group that this Bergoglian “Church” is now aligning itself with. Our bishops and “pope” should be ashamed.
https://spectator.org/the-church-collaborates-in-its-own-destruction/
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Scoop – I am not a Marxist by any means – although I did enjoy `A Night at the Opera’ by The Marx Brothers.
But I can recognise incompetent policing when I see it and I do think that the whole problem of Marxists taking over the BLM movement would disappear overnight if there weren’t so many brutal thugs in the police force who seem to think that a policeman’s job is to beat people up and shoot them, particularly those of darker skin.
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You make it sound like the majority or a good proportion of the police are corrupt. That is not the case.
Then humanly, ask yourself if you have their desire to serve the people the state and the law given that every day when they leave their wives and children to go to work they have no idea if they will be hurt, maimed or alive.
They have one of the highest rates of divorce and suicide due to the stress of the their job. And you would put more stress on them or take away their pay? Who are you going to call when someone is trying to break down your door and enter your home?
You’re a mathematician. Simply Google the stats on killings by police and then decide if this is the same picture that the media is portraying. God Bless them and keep them safe . . . they go into neighborhoods that I wouldn’t even think about going into because I know I wouldn’t come back alive.
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Oh Scoop – this account of your average American cop is just soooo sweet (and sanctimonious).
It also does confirm what I thought – that there is an awful lot of incompetence. They seem to be clueless about `normal’ policing. And that is the innocent interpretation.
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You have no idea how bad the inner cities of the U.S. are Jock. When you do find out let me know if you’d pick up a fare in your cab in some of the federal housing projects which they burn down on a regular basis.
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2018 statistics for Chicago homicides alone: The Sun-Times has counted 542 murders in Chicago in 2018 as of Dec. 25. The Chicago Police Department has said 555 people have been murdered in the city as of Dec. 23. Those are NOT police shootings though they probably are counting some of the police who were killed.
Feel like taking a stroll in South Central Chicago?
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Nevertheless – there seems to be a consensus from precisely the areas that you are talking about, including the `good’ people living there, that they are being policed in a way that they do not like – and it isn’t only the head-bangers who are levelling accusations of racism at the police.
The figures you quote do suggest that it is better than the days of Al Capone and the Hawthorne Inn, though.
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That is only the people you are allowed to see via corrupt liberal media. You do not see those who want the drugs and drug dealers out of their neighborhoods and worked in the stores that are being burned or their homes being burned or their children being gunned down by drive-by shootings by these monsters. They have to live in these neighborhoods and the count on the police to try to give them some sanity and protection. You think the black store owners and a happy lot? They have lost everything that they built from next to nothing.
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Jock, it’s becoming very clear that you can’t recognize your own face in front of a mirror.
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Scoop – I’m well aware that the Main Stream Media is corrupt and is feeding us its own agenda. I am also well aware that inner cities have serious problems – and that it is oh so easy to blame police who are often doing their best in an impossible situation.
Nevertheless, I also know of respectable people who get arrested and charged, sometimes shot dead, which wouldn’t have happened if they had had a lighter skin colour. There is a problem.
I do tend to keep out of things which aren’t part of my own personal experience. Is my conduct commensurate with my faith in the situations I encounter in my day-to-day life? Am I generous towards the people whom I meet? Well, I do my God-given best. Everything that is mediated to me via Main Stream Media, I take with a huge grain of salt, because I understand just how corrupted it is.
One minor example that took place recently was the trial of Alex Salmond – and the only place I could get correct and accurate information about what was going on in that trial was the Grouse Beater blog.
https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2020/03/09/salmond-trial/
https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2020/03/16/st-week-1/
https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2020/03/23/st-week-two/
This was the *only* place that I could find out that the alphabet sisters (the accusers) were actually proved to be telling lies. All the main stream media made out that `well, it was her word against his and her word wasn’t strong enough to convict.’ This was completely inaccurate; the testimony of the alphabet sisters was provably false.
The jury, which consisted of 9 ladies and 6 men, found him `not guilty’ (when they coul have used the `not proven’ verdict, which still exists in Scots law). These ladies are from the Edinburgh Morningside middle classes and probably against Scottish independence and therefore have every reason to dislike Alex Salmond.
The point here is that Main Stream Media had an agenda – and *all* of them presented an account of the trial, in line with their agenda, which was actually false.
So I’m entirely in agreement with you on main stream media.
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Yes, Jock, this is the worst state of media led politics and propaganda that I have ever witnessed that is occurring on a wide basis.
When I was younger (in the days of ‘colored only’ bathrooms and water fountains) this type of yellow journalism which protected whites and condemned blacks was seen in small tabloids in small Southern towns. Those have been gone now for over 50 years and in their place is the mainstream yellow journalism which is propaganda for the Democratic position which has taken a long “progressive” path toward what we have now. It rivals the old tabloids from the Soviet Union of my youth which were no more than mouthpieces for the government.
Seems that Krushchev was a prophet when he said:
“We will take America without firing a shot … we will bury you!
“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.
“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”
Larry Elder (a black conservative) just co-produced a movie called Uncle Tom, that you buy and watch on the internet to be streamed, which quotes many black conservatives over the decades which are and were never given any exposure either in the media or by any of the socialist leaning politicians (which consists of all Democrats and not a few Republicans as well), On Tucker Carlson, last night, (the entire show should be up on the Fox website by now), Elder tells us that the BLM’s first goal is money. Not only to extortion (to prevent people and businesses from being labeled as racists) but by political means to take money from those that have it and give it to the black community. As was stated, they want to take money from those who were never slave owners and give it to those who were never slaves themselves. This pure Communism and a shift in power from the laws of this land to a new set of laws for them to write.
Out with the Constitution of the US and what is to follow? The Communist Manifesto?
Anybody who wants to commit suicide can teach, support or give money and resources to BLM and hasten their own demise. The black population themselves have on the whole have been utilized as pawns as were the poor survivors of the dust bowl era who were used to politicize unions who ended up largely pushing for collectivism and fighting capitalism.
Black exploitation is simply a means to an end for BLM. Their end is totally in line with Marx and Engels.
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Wasting your time, Scoop, and probably your blood pressure meds. As Jonathon Swift wrote:
“It is from such Seminaries as these, that the World is provided with the several Tribes and Denominations of Free Thinkers, who in my Judgment, are not to be reformed by Arguments offered to prove the Truth of the Christian Religion, because Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired: For in the Course of Things, Men always grow vicious before they become Unbelievers. . .”
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Maybe so NEO. I guess I just don’t want to leave this earth knowing that my children and our posterity is making a bee line to their own enslavement.
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I’m not opposed to arguing our case, but I refuse to argue with fools. With a bit of luck, enough of the young will figure it ou, with our help, to survive.
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Let’s hope so Dave. Sadly ‘higher’ education seems to have devolved into brain washing drug addled rich suburbanite children who think they know what is happening and have no historical memory or a clue about what is really going on. And when they do they seem to go the of C at AATW . . . thinking that their words and thought on these things is compassionate and Christian. I disagree. They are fueling this mess.
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Indeed, Scoop. My God is a God of justice and right, and mercy for those who ask. Something most of our churches forget is that if there is no Hell there can be no Heaven.
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Yes and the enemy (Old Scratch himself) does not let this go unnoticed. He is frightened less and less as time goes on. He has now (according to a whistle blower in Hong Kong) bought the CCP influence in the Catholic Church by paying them 2 billion dollars a year to paint China as good guys. So when he is winning the religious, political and humanistic battles he must be feeling rather smug these days. Reminds us of the Biblical Account of the Fall when he says that by eating the fruit (poisonous to the core), “you will not die”. Now there is no hell to worry about for we are as Gods. Seems the beginning has gone full circle and we are reliving a second incarnation of the Fall of Man.
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It does seem like it sometimes – too often, in fact.
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I am not sure, Scoop, how direct your experience of HE in the UK is, and so can’t be sure if your judgement is based on the loudest noisiest people that the media can find to make a story about. I’m sure you would not be inclined to take the Media’s word for anything, including what day of the week it was, and I’d be inclined to take the same view on HE.
I am not sure when compassion became a bad word in your vocabulary, or indeed whether it is, but there are a number of ways to deal with ideas of which we disapprove. One way, favoured by those on the Right and the Left, is to shut them down by censorship or force. The other way is to argue them out, Democracies have tended to favour the latter, whilst, since at least the Counter reformation, the Church has had a more mixed view.
Since, in current circumstances, any closing down the debate would damage the non-liberal viewpoint, I’m not in favour of that option. If you have a way of combatting views you don’t like that does not invlove shutting them down or arguing with them, I’d be interested, but I’m a simple binary man on this!
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And I do not know of what is like in the UK either . . . I can only respond for the history I am living in and that is only the US.
Closing of debate (in the mainstream) already occurred here years ago. We no longer have debate in this country because a conservative voice will not be allowed to speak in most of the media and are never allowed to speak in the large universities for fear of student reprisals. The opposition, such as BLM, do not allow any deviation of thought and demand complete capitulation of ALL of their demands. If you do not do so then you are a bigot and a racist and deserve to be silenced and others even call for our demise.
This is not our academic version of democracy and free speech it is a war of ideologies; Marxist vs. Capitalism; order vs. disorder; govt. of free men or an oligarchy of slavery.
So much for talking things out. You saw the discussion break out worldwide, John. The discussion begins with fire bombs, shootings, looting and followed by destroying our history (iconoclastic today but who knows where that will stop), and taking over parts of a city and our public servants giving in to the their demands for no police and people are being killed there because the police and the ambulances cannot enter. This is not civil debate and we haven’t had them since the Marxists took over the debates. It has spread like a cancer throughout the West now. We make them adhere to the laws of our countries or we will no longer have laws and thereby no countries left to worry about.
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Scoop – well, as I said – you’re writing about things that I have no direct experience of – so on BLM (of which I know nothing) I should leave it at that.
You’re absolutely right, though, about the media serving up junk according to its own sinister agenda and that we should believe nothing – absolutely nothing – that we see on our television screens or read in our newspapers. The pictures are (of course) correct, but we know full well that everything is being spun and interpreted, context twisted, so that basically those who are responsible for what is broadcast `exchange the truth for a lie’.
For example (following the recent BBC drama) I’m convinced that it wasn’t the Russians who were responsible for the Skripal poisoning – simply because the `official’ story doesn’t add up and there were an unbelievable number of ridiculous inconsistencies in that drama. (There’s a connection here – Christopher Steele wrote the `dodgy dossier’ which was supposed to discredit Trump. Steele looks like the main protagonist out of Graham Greene’s novel `Our Man in Havana’ the dossier was pure fiction, but with the help of his chum Sergei Skripal he was able to make it look convincing. It all went horribly wrong when Trump actually got elected – so I wouldn’t be surprised if, two years later in 2018, MI6 decided to do something about it ….)
In fact, with just about everything, I’ve come to understand that if we are being fed line x from the media, then line (not x) is probably correct.
So if you tell me that the picture that has been spun by the BLM group is rubbish then this wouldn’t surprise me.
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Jock, all of a sudden you sound like a genius.
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Well Steve – we do our best.
But no doubt you’re aware that at the last USA presidential election, Hilary Clinton was the favourite candidate of the `establishment’.
I don’t believe that the `dodgy dossier’ discrediting Trump was cooked up `ex nihil’; as far as I can see, the American CIA and the British MI6 are absolutely `shirt and arse’ to use a well known Italian phrase.
Since Hilary Clinton was a certainty for the white house, I’m quite sure that the British would have been very happy to help provide a `dodgy dossier’. I’m quite sure that the CIA also understood that it was pure rubbish, but was nevertheless useful in their efforts to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.
It all went horribly wrong when Donald Trump won the election. And then (of course) the inconsistencies of the dossier started to become apparent.
There is a well established connection between Christopher Steele (author of the dodgy dossier) and Sergei Skripal.
The Syrian business was also going on at that time (where I think that the Russian activities were (a) legal under international law and (b) had a stabilising effect. The UK/USA took the wrong side on that one). At the time of the Skripal saga, they were looking for some additional anti-Russian propaganda to make the Russians look like the `bad guys’.
For your next election, Joe Bidet is the favoured candidate of your `establishment’, so if you see something weird breaking that is being spun in his favour, well, you know what is going on …….
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Here is last nights Tucker Carlson show with Larry Elder.
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At least the Russian Orthodox Church knows about the agenda and foundation of the BLM. I wish the Roman Catholic Church had the stones to do the same:
https://russian-faith.com/culture/blm-excommunicated-priest-denies-communion-all-members-black-lives-matter-n3345
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