by Charlie
An excessive need for admiration and praise and with this comes an equally excessive need to avoid criticism. Often this is associated with obvious attention seeking behavior. These narcissistic traits are frequently found in those who introduce and participate in liturgical innovations.
PAUL VITZ
If I had the power and the authority to change things, I would abolish the Novus Ordo from Catholic parishes and demand a return to the Tridentine Mass. I did not always feel this way or even care. Then, my parish got a narcissist for a pastor, and my views on the Novus Ordo changed dramatically and permanently. This is because the Novus Ordo allows the narcissistic excesses of priests to be on full display.
We already know this. There was the priest who rode a hoverboard into the sanctuary at the beginning of the Mass. There was the priest that offered the Super Bowl Mass. Then, there was the use of a drone to elevate a monstrance with a consecrated host through the sanctuary. I wish I was making that last one up. Like it or not, liturgical abuses are the norm and not the exception in the Novus Ordo.
The fundamental problem with the Novus Ordo is that it brings the attention and focus from the sacrifice to the celebration of the community to the final celebration of the priest himself. This is sickening stuff. Now, not every priest who celebrates the NO is a narcissist. Many of them probably hate the Novus Ordo, but they are not given the option to abandon it. But the narcissist priest loves the Novus Ordo. It becomes his time to shine.
My priest is one of those narcissists. He parks his presider’s chair directly in front of the Cranmer table altar where he sits like a king and presides over his court. His homilies are just warm ups before going into long talks about himself and what sorts of television programs he likes to watch. When this becomes boring, he will launch into song which brings applause from the idiot herd in the pews. Or, he will have a quiz show where he gives away prizes for correct answers. I am not making any of this up.
This weekly spectacle is nauseating for me. I feel physically ill when this narcissist takes the stage for his clown show spectacle. To negate the scandal, I now attend the Spanish Mass where he presides but has to tamp down his ego because of his tenth grade Spanish language skills. My own comprehension of Spanish is less than this, so his homilies and antics disappear into a gibberish I do not understand. I also sit to the side of the sanctuary where I don’t have to look at him directly.
This narcissist priest noticed that we were doing this and stopped in the middle of his Spanish homily to declare in English his displeasure at Anglos attending the Spanish Mass. He had become wise to our trick, and his ego could not let it go. We still go to the Spanish Mass, so he punished us by nixing one of the English masses and moving the Spanish Mass to that time. He does these passive-aggressive type moves constantly.
When people hear of our travails with this awful priest, they ask the obvious questions. Have you written to the bishop? Yes, I have done this. Others have done this. Have you considered attending a Latin Mass? The nearest one is a two hour trip from us. What about some other parish with a priest who isn’t a narcissistic jerk? That would be a thirty minute drive where the Novus Ordo is only marginally less offensive with a priest who turns his homilies into a social justice diatribe. I think half of our parish already goes there now.
This priest who I refer to as “Father Jerk” essentially wants his parishioners to love, adore, and worship him instead of Jesus Christ. As for his parishioners, he holds them all in disdain. Many men in my parish have expressed a desire to punch him in the face. One fellow had to go outside and get some air before losing his cool with this clown after some dreadful comments Father Jerk made to his wife.
This guy doesn’t belong in the priesthood. This is a given. Yet, what drew him to this vocation? I highly doubt he was called. I think the reason is obvious. He saw in the Novus Ordo his chance to be in the spotlight. He was drawn to it like some fat moth to a bug zapper on some redneck’s back porch. He might have made a fine lounge singer or an actor, but most people who opt for these careers become nobodies. But the Novus Ordo allowed him to receive the adulation he sought while also making use of those singing and acting talents.
Would the Latin Mass have prevented this? I think so. Narcissists aren’t attracted to tradition. They want to break the rules. The Latin Mass is about Jesus Christ. The Novus Ordo is about the priest.
The only upside I can see with Father Jerk is that he has made a traditionalist out of me. I probably wouldn’t have cared about the liturgical issues, but Father Jerk has made me care. His spiritual director recommend to Father Jerk the Litany of Humility. Father Jerk’s response to this was to assign it as penance to his parishioners who confessed that week. Apparently, pride is everyone else’s problem but his own.
Yep, a good pastor can make any liturgy at all (or no liturgy) work for the Lord, while a bad pastor can corrupt any. But it is much harder to corrupt a tradition-filled liturgy, That how they became traditional. None of these problems are new, but our churches abandoning so much of our tradition has exacerbated the problem beyond belief. It’s solvable, I think, but it’s going to take leadership we are not seeing.
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Modernists recreate the problems solved by yesterday’s traditions.
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Indeed so, and well said.
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I am not convinced the answer is more tradition in the way that some Christians mean it. As a non-denominational Christian, while I respect and value various parts of our heritage, I believe the time is coming for us to simplify and where necessary leave various organisations. I find traditionalist Catholicism very problematic at the moment, especially when it is so often championed by converts rather than cradle Catholics.
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The point to the liturgy is, of course, that it glorifies God, not the worship leader (and like Scoop, I’ve often seen that). The other thing is that it makes sure that all parts of the worship are there, and not forgotten, which is easier to do than one thinks. I disagree about simplification, we’ve done to much of that, leaving out whole (and very important) parts of the Faith. I think a lot of the difference is that the differences have often come slowly for cradle (insert church of choice here) and for many of us it’s been quite a while since our confirmation, while converts see it all with fresh eyes. One thing I don’t agree with, while I like the Tridentine Mass (I’ve only seen it twice) I think it a very bad idea to go bk to Latin, surely there must be a way to do it justice in the vernacular.
And curiously some of the Lutheran liturgies are older than the Tridentine, harking back to the medieval church.
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Indeed. The worship of ourselves is a big problem I’ve seen in various Protestant contexts.
I think the Book of Common Prayer affords a good basis for vernacular rites. It contains pre-Reformation elements, I believe. There is also the Sarum Rite, used by Anglo-Catholics, which a good translator, taking inspiration from the Book of Common Prayer, could do somethng with.
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I think Sarum may be what Luther based some off as well. Contemporary with it,anyway.
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Much truth about traditionalism here NEO. But I disagree that language is unimportant. Destroy the language of a culture you devastate the culture. The Jews have held on to their liturgical language as did the Greeks. Why would Rome experiment in doing something new when the other has obviously held their faiths together? Modern language is always changing. What the vernacular means today will not mean the same thing tomorrow . . . it is part of the confusion that reigns. Better to hold on to a heightened language that has a precise meaning and has served as a bond to the entirety of the Mass. The music fell away because nobody understands the Latin hymns or the Gregorian and yet children 60 years ago learned them and loved and even came to understand what the meaning of each hymn was. It is a simple dumbing down and it is the first step in dumbing down both the culture but also our understanding of our faith. Nobody knows their catechism anymore . . . or at least few of the cradle Catholics. Converts are filled with more zeal for the faith and put out the effort to both learn the teachings but also to preserve the traditions.
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There’s truth in that, quite a lot of it, it’s likely different now, but the first Latin Mass I attended before V II, it mattered not what language it was in, because the priest was inaudible. he could have mumbled in whatever language- or none, the parishioners said it had been this way all their life. But if you want the people to understand the message, tell them in their language. Which is essentially what Luther said, and he was not wrong.
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You would have to understand (and the Catholics you spoke to should have been able to explain it) the Mass was said in three distinctive voices (or loudness). The most personal voice is that of the alter Christus, the priest, as an intercessor for the people and their sins. It is very personal and not intended for the parishioners ears . It is spoken directly from the priest to God. Those other parts are able to be heard and the ones that were loudest were intended to be heard. Even then, the people were able to read the Mass in their Missals and know what the priest is praying for at every part of the Mass. You can imagine that after many years of hearing these things and watching the actions at the altar we all knew what was going on and it left our minds and hearts the freedom to quit listening to the priest (couldn’t hear him anyway) but join in his pleadings to God in our own private personal ways. So things are not as.pragmatic as one might think. They are symbolic and it leads us to internal prayer rather than public prayer which comes at other various moments in the Mass. Just and FYI to those who find it strange. This is why the traditionalist usually and rightly state that in the new Mass there scarcely is any time set aside for personal prayer. Tradition had already solved that problem with the 3 voices use in the Mass.
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What I’ve seen of the new Mass, a couple of times, it strikes me as flawed in several areas, that amongst them.
May be so, but it wasn’t what my friends, cradle Catholics all said. I’ve been to Lutheran services in Spanish and in German, and they were about 70% as good for me, same liturgy, not my language although I know some of each.
I think we’ll have to disagree on this point. Doubt they’re gonna ask us, anyway! 🙂
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I’m guessing that the cradle Catholics you speak of was at a Mass after the VII Council? Many were misinformed and repeating the Modernist mantras that were negative in regards to the old Mass. So not surprised. You’ll hear the same today from those who are apologists for the new Mass.
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Actually before, and yes, I was listening not talking as they conversed with Mom, who had much the same issues. Funny what you remember as a kid.
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indeed so. I guess the dumbing down of the catechesis had already begun. 🙂
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I wonder if it ever was very good. It wasn’t in my church. Many knew what but very few why. 🙂
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BTW, please pray for Charlie. He received a traumatic brain injury (TBI) this past year in a terrible road accident. For the next 12 weeks he will be going through treatments which we are praying will help his condition. He may still write on the weekends depending on how he feels.
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I will indeed, and join urge all to join us.
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🙂 Thanks.
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