- Spiritual Fog of Vatican II
“Truly, if one of the devils in C.S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters had been entrusted with the ruin of the liturgy he could not have done it better.” __ Citation: The words of Dietrich Von Hildebrand, who was, nevertheless, a supporter of the Vatican II religion but felt compelled to make such a statement about the New Mass. Quoted by Michael Davies, Pope Paul’s New Mass, Kansas City, MO: Angelus Press, 1980, p. 80.
INTRODUCTION: THE SPIRIT OF THE COUNCIL
I think in reflecting back on the overall spirit that permeated the Second Vatican Council one might be struck by the fact that the overall mood was led by an unbridled desire for ecumenism, peace with the world at any cost, and ostopolitik or detente with those those who opposed us and were rightly considered heretics prior to the Council. It was a ‘false peace’ established not for the help and protection of the Catholic peoples but was in fact a complete surrender to the whole of our progressive modernist world. In this regard, I think the above quote from Dietrich von Hildebrand may have limited the scope of how he might have viewed the ruinous results of this Screwtape Council’s overall theme; which of course used the liturgy as its primary means to rob Catholics of their culture; one might say it was their weapon of ‘mass (Mass) destruction’.
The Second Vatican Council was an Ecumenical Council but with a difference. In the previous 20 Councils of this type, the Councils were called to settle a matter of heresy, prevent a schism, to pronounce a new Dogma to be infallibly held or to generally protect the Church and Her Children from being misled by the modernist world and other threats to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith.
But this Council would be different; it was purely pastoral in nature and was not going to pronounce any new dogmas or warn of any clear and present danger to the Church and Her followers. However, it was not as if there were no dangers that needed to be expressed at the time; especially Communism, Modernism and Freemasonry which were running rampant in the world and had infiltrated the Church by many of the theologians of its day not to mention highly placed prelates and even ordinary pastors. Basic morality was breaking down and threatening not only Christian life but the very ethos that bound entire nations together. But it seems that ecumenism was to be bought at any price; even the price of the souls of Mother Church and Her hundreds of million sons and daughters. Instead of defending the Church against heresy it as though the Church was suing the World for terms of peace.
“In a 2007 book called The Metz Agreement, veteran French essayist Jean Madiran gathers a number of sourced claims, testifying that a deal was hatched during Soviet-arranged secret talks in 1962. The meeting, Madiran says, took place in Metz, France, between Metropolitan Nikodim, the Russian Orthodox Church’s then “foreign minister,” and Cardinal Eugène Tisserant, a senior French Vatican official. Metropolitan Nikodim was, according to Moscow archives, a KGB agent.
Various sources have since confirmed that an agreement was reached, instructing the Council not to make any direct attack on Communism. The Orthodox then agreed to accept the Vatican’s invitation to send a number of observers to the Council.”__ Read more here: Catholic News and World Report.
We also know that the original schema as drawn up for the Council were rather benign and one must wonder what the Church would have looked like had the progressives not taken control of the Council after its first session; for these first documents were in complete agreement with what had been stated prior to the Council and a condemnation of Communism was planned to be included within the documents. One also wonders if they might have made mention of both Modernism (battled against for about a 100 years) and Freemasonry which the Church had been fighting since its beginnings in the early-18th century and was a large reason for the French Revolution and its persecution of the Catholic Faith. These heresies were at least clear and present dangers to the Church which have only worsened since the close of Vatican II. One might say that the Church even capitulated in its rejection and opposition against these threats.
There was also a novel idea which took root within the Council of a collective Church; a collective redemption and salvation. It, of course, would have to abandon the idea that the objective Truth was in its entirety to be found in the One True Church. All flavors of religion and even non-religion were to be included in this collectivism and nobody was excluded. A globalist view was emerging which see quite prominently in the mainstream of Catholic teaching these days.
“. . . totalitarian ideology is not alone in sacrificing the individual to the collective; some of Teilhard de Chardin’s cosmic ideas, for instance, imply the same collectivistic sacrifice. Teilhard subordinates the individual and his sanctification to the supposed development of humanity.” __ Dietrich von Hildebrand.
So nobody can discount the thoughts of Teilhard de Chardin which exerted a strong influence upon the Council though he died some 7 years before the Council. His spirit lived on in the framers such as Hans Kung, Karl Rahner, Yves Congar, Cardinal Bea et al.
TURNING THE CHURCH FROM TRADITION TO MODERNISM
“When I read the documents relative to the Modernism, as it was defined by Saint Pius X, and when I compare them to the documents of the II Vatican Council, I cannot help being bewildered. For what was condemned as heresy in 1906 was proclaimed as what is and should be from now on the doctrine and method of the Church.” (Jean Guitton, Portrait du Père Lagrange, Éditions Robert Laffont, Paris, 1992, pp. 55-56). Read more here.
A new era of the Church was being constructed while the 2000 year old Church was belittled and scoffed at. Our new Church would be up to date and modern as we embarked upon the aggiornamento (updating) called for by the Council. It would be a Church of dialogue, ecumenism and above all a Church that listens rather than a Church that teaches. We would now be in the world without passing judgment on the world. One could say that the old enemies of the Church, ‘the world, the flesh and the devil’ were no longer reasons to avoid worldliness or the ‘near occasion of sin’. You will rarely hear either of these statements used today within hallowed walls of a parish.
This new globalist and collective sense of humanity led us from true charity to secular humanism, from nation states to open borders, from proclaiming the True Church to proclaiming the ideals of the French Revolution (Liberty, Equality, Fraternity). In short, we have turned the ideals of those who wished the complete destruction of the Catholic Church into being our own ideals as well. Ideals whose origin was to be found in the heresy of Freemasonry.
If that was not enough the sense of a new egalitarian spirit overcame us as well especially in adopting market socialism if not outright communism or marxism. Besides the Liberation Theology that is now lauded, one need only view the sellout of the underground Catholic Church in China and the recent beatifications of radical leftists to get a sense of how far this cancer has spread.
In a few words, ‘what once was up is now down and what once was down is now up’. The Church has been stood upon its head.
THE COUNCIL’S USE OF A SPIRITUAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
“[Evelyn] Waugh’s words in response to this revolution are arresting: “Church-going is now a bitter trial,” he wrote. Elsewhere he said, “the Vatican Council has knocked the guts out of me.” To a friend, he wrote, “I have not yet soaked myself in petrol and gone up in flames, but I now cling to the Faith doggedly without joy.” In another letter to a cleric, he sought to know the least he was “obliged to do without grave sin.” This is remarkable, coming from one of the most famous Catholic writers of the 20th century, one who had previously adored the Mass.” __ Read more here.
Neither the people nor the priests petitioned Rome for a change in the liturgy. For the liturgy in use for many centuries had produced countless saints and martyrs and theologians who are still the backbone of what we continue to believe; St. Thomas to this day is the most widely referenced theologian in the Catholic Church and cited more than any others in the new Catechism of the Catholic Faith. So why did they feel that this was such an important mandate for the Council to address?
Was it perhaps that it was too authentically Catholic? Too much of a feature of Catholic identity; our common Catholic Culture? One need only ask the question how one would go about destroying a culture, a nation. For the things that bind a culture together are primarily language (in this case Latin), traditions (no more meatless Fridays and few processions on feast days), music (Gregorian Chant being the identifiable music for the Catholic) and devotions which have somewhat been restored and hopefully will help us recover that which has been destroyed after the Council. So if you attack these you attack not only the culture but the way we believe and the way live: Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi or how we pray, is how we believe, is how we live. Since the change in the prayer of the Church following Vatican II we don’t need to look far to see that the way we believe and the way we live has changed radically. Our beliefs and our tolerance of immorality is almost identical to that of world at large. We no longer understand or transubstantiation nor do we recognize Christ in the Eucharist and we divorce at the same rate as protestants, accept same sex marriages, fornication outside of marriage and a host of other things that no Catholic would ever have accepted prior to the Second Vatican Council.
So was the reason for the changes to make the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass indistinguishable from a protestant ‘service’ and to minimize our focus on the Sacrifice during the Liturgy so that we would not scandalize the protestants? Annibale Bugnini who designed this liturgy seemed to think that this was what was needed and such a change was good for the Church: “We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren that is for the Protestants.” – Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, main author of the New Mass, L’Osservatore Romano, March 19, 1965.
So, once again, how would destroy the Church if you were satan? Would the nuclear option be the destruction of how we pray, believe and live? And would not the Mass be the logical place to accomplish this diabolical assault on the Faith?
Since the Novus Ordo was promulgated the fruit has been the loss of vocations, the emptying of pews and the dumbing down of the laity and the priesthood in their below par formations; Canon 249 has been neglected by our bishops which states the following.
Can. 249 The Charter of Priestly Formation is to provide that the students are not only taught their native language accurately, but are also well versed in latin, and have a suitable knowledge of other languages which would appear to be necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of their pastoral ministry.
Did we violate the mandate of Sacrosanctum Concilium, the first document of the Council?
36. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.
116. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
But other kinds of sacred music, especially polyphony, are by no means excluded from liturgical celebrations, so long as they accord with the spirit of the liturgical action, as laid down in Art. 30.
Do we experience this in the normal Novus Ordo Liturgy today? Of course not. There was always obfuscating language and loopholes planted throughout the documents of the Council to give the bishops the necessary wiggle room to evade these norms.
How about communion on the hand? The bishops voted no, resoundingly at the Council. But we have it now. So how did we get it you might ask. I will leave that to your investigative skills but it isn’t pretty. How also did we get lay readers (male and female) and how did they violate the Vatican rule that if they were to be used that they could not do so from the sanctuary? Maybe its because the sanctuary is no longer that holy space reserved for the priest (which they like to call a presider these days) and his altar boys. And today we have female altar boys which is a outrage since they were always regarded as young men who might be led toward thinking of the priesthood for a vocation. It was a privilege extended to them and it was taken with a seriousness and a sense of awe. All of this has changed in the spirit of Vatican II; a spirit of egalitarianism and a distorted understanding of the Council’s wish to increase the ‘active participation’ of the laity at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
We could list literally hundreds of changes including the rewriting of other Rites of the Church which seems, ironically to have one thing in common amongst most of them; the absence of the exorcism that once took place in the Rites before a Blessing was given to a sacred thing or a sacred ministerial duty. How convenient when we have abandoned the spiritual realm for a realm that is at home in a fallen world that we were mandated to teach and to bring them the teachings of the True Church.
God have mercy on our soul but we allowed this to happen by allowing ourselves to become complacent about our education in the faith. It is not simply the hierarchy or our parish priests that bear this burden of closing a blind eye to the obfuscation of truth and the destruction of our Catholic Identity; though many will have much to answer for at their particular judgment.
Immaculate Heart of Mary have mercy on us. Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on us. Saint Joseph pray for us. Saints Peter and Paul pray for us. St. Michael the Archangel drive this diabolical infiltration from the Church and restore the Bride of Christ to once again be resplendent in this world; without spot or wrinkle.
Don’t let them grind you down.
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I must admit that at times I feel like Evelyn Waugh. But then he never left the Church and I doubt I will either. The other most probable scenario will be that the visible church will leave the Church and a schism will ensue . . . but it will be they who are in schism (like the Arians). It is already that way under the surface anyway but after the Amazon Synod I think there is going to be a very dark night of the soul for the Church Suffering.
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But you know you should leave the church. Why bother with it? At least Back when the mass was unintelligible it was at least interesting. Now you go why, to be admonished? That never does anyone any good.
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To Scoop and most of us here that would be apostasy. Forget about the structures, the accretions, the traditions that have accumulated over the years. We know Jesus, and through Him we are a family: He joins us to each other. To leave Jesus is to leave a friend, the Good Shepherd.
Compared with some Christians I am functionally an atheist. But that does not make me one in real terms. I cling to my God, I continue to seek Him, to seek His light in the darkness. I take the doubts, I acknowledge them, but I also offer them to God.
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Faith is not clinging, but letting go of your idols. There’s nothing to apostatize from. Leaving a corrupt institution is called integrity. Jesus would not be a Catholic. He would be alone, separate from the corruption and worshipping alone. “If god
was real”
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In other words, atheism is probably the ultimate display of faith, although I really dislike the word and its connotations. Where I grappled with religious faith was balancing integrity with the lip service. Even if I believed in god anymore, I would have to be unaffiliated. That was for me the greatest challenge with so much at stake (in my believing mind) If Jesus judgements were truly just, he would accept your resignations because you lived with integrity, whether you were right or not.
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If I were Satan (should you believe in such things), I would want people to think that even God could neither protect the Church He founded with His apostles nor would He have any inclination to do so. I would want everyone to think that they are going to heaven and that ‘integrity of my own making’ is enough to get me there. For in doing this you have stripped God of being God and demoted Him to an anthropomorphic judge on the supreme court of the planet . . . but not God. You make Him to think as we think and ro do what each of us thinks that (if they were God) they would themselves do. Not God; just a projection of your subjective wishes. I think as Satan I would be quite satisfied and smug with such a general outcome amongst the majority of mankind.
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Is this a “get thee hence” statement? Haha. Nicely done Scoop. Certainly if there was a Satan. I was more or less pointing out (atheist or not) that faith is not clinging to anything (including hope and faith in faith itself) but by clinging you demonstrate very little faith. My parents demonstrated their lack of faith with the belt. They found Jesus and by lack>/I> of faith, made darn sure we’d know him too. Belief is a puzzling dilemma. By exhorting it, you don’t have it. Only by letting go and trusting god. It isn’t in the churches.
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As you characterize God, I would probably reject Him as well. Have ever thought that perhaps you have projected a false god to replace the God that actually exists?
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Sure, I’ve considered all things within my abilities and I have some ideas about what god might be. I do think that people that have “the experience” misinterpret it culturally, hence all the contact and then the differing opinions of what they experienced. The biggest obstacle I have is the fact that people will believe anything and even see what isn’t there after they’ve been primed. It’s like the backward masking on the old vinyl records. It’s unintelligible until someone tells you what it’s saying. Studies certainly bear this out.
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I hate to break it to you but God isn’t all about ‘feelings’, Jim. No more that my ability to conceive of ‘perfection’ or ‘immanence’ or ‘an uncaused cause’ or ‘eternity’ or ‘existence residing outside of time’ and many things which is beyond our full comprehension or experience. I don’t judge these concepts on that which does not (can not) reach these conceived of attributes. God may certainly be experienced and He will also be misconceived because we are none of these things. It seems that you wish to judge a religion on the imperfect believers (all of us) rather than believing in that which is rarely seen in man; except when they may rise to an occasion such as giving their life for the love of another. Such behavior deserves to be called a God-inspired love . . . something worth dying for. Feelings have little to do with the teachings of a faith nor does the faith depend on how well these people abide by the teachings. It is the perfection of the teachings that are to be lauded or rejected. So yes, you have your pick within Christianity or in any other religion on the face of the planet. But when you look at those who do not follow the teachings to judge God you have made a huge mistake. Judge the sinner who has abided by the teachings in some heroic act of love and then you see only a glimmer of the Creator that inspired them in their virtue.
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People dying for their belief is hardly a litmus test of truth. Allah akbar sound familiar? I’m not sure faith can move mountains, but I’ve seen what it can do to a skyscraper. All these things you say come from god is deconstructed easily by viewing the lives of feral children. Compasión and love are learned behaviors. After 6-8 years of age it cannot be taught nor infused in any way. So much for god imprinting these things on our hearts.
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Again you conflate dying for a political belief or for a false God that offers material and sexual gratification to an act of sacrificial love . . . say for drowning child or too rescue another from the same world trade center? I think the motive is the teaching, Jim. The motive of the attackers was evil. The motive of the rescuers was purely good. There is a difference between the two. Sacrificial love can be infused at any point in a persons life. We have many examples of this happening in the world by the most unlikely people. What possessed them to so? I cannot say. But it is not beyond our ability to conceive that they were ‘inspired’ by something . . . a love that they never displayed in the past.
You are simply clinging (as you like to accuse the believers) to a mental construct of a god which is not the God of Christianity. I can’t help you there . . . as that is your own personal construct. Many have been moved to revert or convert during their lives but many do not. I hope you are of the former.
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I’m not really conflating. Thankfully Christianity is regulated by secular laws now here in the west, for a thousand years of forced conversions was enough (and enough for it to self perpetuate) Without those the spread of Christianity in Europe and the Americas is unimaginable. It was Voltaire that said “if you can make people believe absurdities you can make them commit atrocities”. That is result of belief, not nature.
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Again you judge Christianity on sinful men. That is not what the religion taught and it cannot be held responsible for the refusal of people to abide by Her teachings. That would be like holding the state of SC responsible for drivers who exceed the speed limit and end up killing somebody else; therefore SC is evil according to your thinking.
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You’re grasping at straws. I’m merely pointing out the results of faith. Unchecked by secular law it has routinely led to atrocities. It is the ultimate display of ego on steroids. It is the Jehovah Effect©. It elevates urgency in believers to amass the ultimate ego and then coerce others. This is the I AM misinterpretation of the spiritual experience. Muhammad did it, Jesus, Paul, Joseph Smith, etc. They were not special, but interpreted the experience as exclusive to them, and it happens to others as well, like the cardboard signs we see at the intersections or the fervent preacher. Any experienced meditator would confirm this. The universe is a strange place, and some people make a connection with her that is interpreted through the current culture.
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Atrocities far precede Christianity my friend. That is the sinful nature of mankind which Christian principles and teachings consistently have fought with this world to overcome. That bad men do bad things even within the realm of Christianity is lamentable but not extraordinary or even surprising. In fact if I wanted to lead people away from a particular religion I would equate evil persons with the faith which they laid claim to. But alas, you can’t lay claim to that which you do not hold as principled doctrine in the living of your life. As to your foolish endeavor to equate Jesus with human narcissistic claimants (except St.Paul . . . where did that come from?) to special privilege, you merely are throwing hand grenades and refuse to believe that Christ died for our sins for love of us. When the others (minus St. Paul) are lumped in with Jesus it really is sort of a diabolic twist that you are placing on God . . . and if Christ was not who He said He was then He would be the worst sort of psychopath who would commit suicide (by cop) to make His claim. That would be diabolical. But since Christ is who He said and did rise from the tomb then how would He be compared to anyone else? And were all the apostles who died for the Faith founded by Christ also psychopaths willing to die for a lie? Its preposterous.
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Just following bread crumbs. It is obvious that through faith (of any brand) humanity is at a standstill. Faith is the crux of the problem. Not what we believe, but faith itself. Transcending belief mode is a tall order it seems if we’re going to finally overcome the ultimate display of stubborn, human pride—Faith
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And what then is to replace Faith, Hope and Charity in a man’s heart? What is this magical, serene innate quality of the human that you are sure exists within us if we were ‘freed’ from our beliefs? Where does that abide and why didn’t we inherit that serenity that other animals seem to have whose only purpose is survival of their species? Is it religion that says to us that might makes right? Where is your hidden utopia of these godlike beings who are so enlightened and live only to be at peace and to be of benefit to one another? Does it occur when we quit believing in the revelation of our Creator and His Divine Laws? That sounds rather pessimistic at best, concerning the teachings of Christianity which speaks to the Good and is Perfect Love and rather too optimistic to fallen humanity who fears loss of enjoyment more than his loss of eternal salvation; not to mention man’s preoccupation with getting more out of life: meaning, of course everything that he desires even if it comes at the expense of others. Sorry but humanity has always been that way and always will be unless they use their free will to hold to something more important that his individualistic wants and desires.
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“They were not special, but interpreted the experience as exclusive to them, and it happens to others as well,”
Jim, I appreciate what you’re saying. Respectfully, I will offer that you should consider your own words here. It seems to me you assume you have attained a degree of enlightenment about these topics that is, if not exclusive to you, unknown to others, especially those in the faith community. In fact, many of us have indeed shared in your sentiments, or similar, but ultimately come to a different understanding. Of course, if you do not believe that there can be an answer to certain questions, you have no hope of finding if there actually is an answer.
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As a non-denominational Christian, I agree that Catholicism is not the sum-total of Christianity. But, if Scoop sincerely believes the sine qua nons of Catholicism to be true, then it would be disobedience to his conscience to leave Catholicism. In the same way, although at times I have felt led to Catholicism, I have always rejected it in the end, because my conscience will not let me do otherwise.
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hang the pope with his own entrails
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