Thanks to Ann Barnhardt for her recent post and sharing of this most illustrative painting and explanation. You can find her instructive post here: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/07/20/found-it-image-of-the-birth-of-ecclesia/
The Bride of Christ: derided, blasphemed, spat upon, buffeted, as the Mystical Body of Christ, still present in the world and a woman of sorrow just as Christ was a man of sorrow: uncomely, disfigured and unrecognizable. Her sufferings are relived in Her Body, the Church: the Spotless Bride of Christ.
Flesh of My Flesh: Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for the body, which is the Church. __ Colossians 1:24
The Bridegroom and Bride Shall be Two in One Flesh: Christ and the Church are One: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope_explores_st._pauls_teaching_on_the_church_as_bride_of_christ
Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.
And they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh.
For the young man shall dwell with the virgin, and thy children shall dwell in thee. And the bridegroom shall rejoice over the bride, and thy God shall rejoice over thee.
He that hath the bride, is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, who standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth with joy because of the bridegroom’s voice. This my joy therefore is fulfilled.
For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church:
This is the whole Christ, head and body, one formed from many . . . whether the head or members speak, it is Christ who speaks. He speaks in his role as the head (ex persona capitis) and in his role as body (ex persona corporis). What does this mean? “The two will become one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the Church.”240 And the Lord himself says in the Gospel: “So they are no longer two, but one flesh.”241 They are, in fact, two different persons, yet they are one in the conjugal union, . . . as head, he calls himself the bridegroom, as body, he calls himself “bride.”242
Christ Was Buffeted and Spit Upon: Will the Bride not Suffer What the Bridegroom Suffered?
They abhor me, and flee far from me, and are not afraid to spit in my face.
I have given my body to the strikers, and my cheeks to them that plucked them: I have not turned away my face from them that rebuked me, and spit upon me.
Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him: and others struck his face with the palms of their hands,
And he shall grow up as a tender plant before him, and as a root out of a thirsty ground: there is no beauty in him, nor comeliness: and we have seen him, and there was no sightliness, that we should be desirous of him
Who his own self bore our sins in his body upon the tree: that we, being dead to sins, should live to justice: by whose stripes you were healed.
Seven Last Words of Christ from the Holy Cross: Will the Church Not Imitate Her Bridegroom and suffer with Him? http://www.catholictradition.org/Passion/passion27a.htm
And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son.
After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
And at the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabacthani? Which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
O God my God, look upon me: why hast thou forsaken me?
Afterwards, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said: I thirst.
Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said: It is consummated. And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.
And Jesus crying out with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. And saying this, he gave up the ghost.
And people ask why I don’t leave the Bride of Christ in Her hour of most need. I would prefer to remain with The Mother of God at the foot of the Cross than to be hiding in the upper room fearing for my life. This is why. __ Scoop
Bosco the Heretic said:
The Bride of Christ: derided, blasphemed, spat upon, buffeted, as the Mystical Body of Christ, still present in the world and a woman of sorrow just as Christ was a man of sorrow: uncomely, disfigured and unrecognizable.
then, good brother scoop, you go on to assert that, im guessing, that this is the catholic church
And people ask why I don’t leave the Bride of Christ in Her hour of most need.
Ever since the beginning of Constantines new state run religion, the prelats and popes had complete rule over the people and they lived as they pleased, in luxury off the peoples dime. the pope appointed kings and deposed kings. The pope sent out armies to wipe out entire peoples, dunked unfortunate victims in boiling oil. What im doing is trying to visualize the blasphemed and buffeted mystical body of christ the catholic church. As hard s i try, im having alittle trouble seeing the catholic church as spit upon and buffeted and in sorrow.
One pope, i forgot his name, was upset that the screams of the torture victim were loud enough for his satisfaction. He sent word to the torturers to torture him or her, harder. Pope Ratzinger had a adoration festival of himself where all the leaders of the world filed by, one at a time and kissed or shook his majesties hand.
About a yr ago, the number 2 man in the vatican retired, but not befor remodeling a gigantic apt suite overlooking a gay nightclub. Lots of the tons of money he used for his opulent dwelling came from the children’s hospital fund.
Im looking to see where this poor oppressed body of christ is deserving of my pity. Its costume holymen are free to indulge what ever fantasy rocks their boat. As much as they like as long as they like, and have been from 350AD till today.
Maybe for kind catholic would like to show me this sorrowful bride of christ. Id like to be the first to know. I hate being ignorant.
Yes some people are always doing wicked things and will forever; everywhere that people gather together as groups there were be plenty of them.
But then there are remarkable men and women of unprecedented holiness as well. And in my thinking one saint is worth a million non-believers who call themselves believers but are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Its not too hard to for your to figure out Bosco. You merely are one of those who is out there yelling at Christ to come down from the Cross if you are the Christ. The body of Christ is now getting the same treatment as the head received; you find that scandalous as did many at the time of Christ?
N.B. In your way of thinking, Bosco, Jesus Christ Himself would be tainted by the betrayal of Judas Iscariot and by the renunciation of Christ by the first Pope, Peter. Does that reflect on the men who sinned against Christ or does it make Christ corrupt?
Bosco the Heretic said:
No man is good. All have sinned and come short the glory of god. If you judged christianity, or being saved, by looking at me….you would think being saved is a free for all of evil. Sometimes when i witness, i dont do it with humility. I get uppitty. Then i have to catch myself. Im driving people away instead of bringing them in.
Your brand of Christianity I would not even consider raising to the esteem of being Christian, Bosco. It is why nobody hardly replies to you anymore.
Bosco the Heretic said:
Its called…one crying in the wilderness.
Bosco the Heretic said:
Well good brother scoop, i know you and many other find some satisfaction in the faith you subscribe to. Good, sort of, kind smart people who do good things for humanity. These are the men in the pews. Even satan worshipers like George Bush and Trump try to do some good for the people. By the way, did you know Barbara Bursh is the daughter of Alistair Crowley.
Anyway, you liken the hate given to Jesus as the same hate towards the CC. If you stop and think for a minute, Jesus was persecuted for doing good.Jesus said, blessed are they who are persecuted for my names sake. For spreading the good news of the risen Christ. The giant difference here is that the catholic church is not being persecuted for doing good. Its not even being persecuted. Its under fire because its clergy are pedophile child rapists. Its clergy is a homosexual fraternity who persecutes the rank and file members for being homosexual. The CC tells young children that they are disordered, which leads some of them to suicide, if they happen to be homo oriented.This is why the CC is under fire,….for being wicked and greedy and lying. Its shameful that you equate the CCs problem as the same as our Lords.
Jesus is persecuted for doing good. The Bride of Christ is persecuted for not giving up those teachings that she has passed down for 2000 years unadulterated. Being under fire for evil persons and not for being the Church would be fine; I am one of those. But you lie concerning yourself. You blame the Church as though there is nothing supernatural about the Mystical Body of Christ. If a club has laws and people disregard them do you call the club or the laws into question or the people? Yes we have perhaps the worst crisis in the Church today than we have had in our history. For we have allowed the infiltrators to gain an upper hand without excommunicating them. We are all sinners but the Biblical Teaching is to drive them out of our midst. We haven’t done it yet, but it will be done or Christ will return Himself to straighten the mess out. Being wicked and greedy are qualities and marks of human agents . . . not of the Body of Christ Whose Head is the same Christ as the Bible tells us. Did you read all the quotes? It is obvious that you do not believe in the Mystical Body of Christ or the Bride of Christ; the One Church Christ founded. I understand that and that is your freewill choice. I’ll cling to the Church and try to repel the enemies of the Church from within. Those who detract and revile the Church from the outside are not a great threat except in making martyrs. we have withstood many worse in our past.
Bosco the Heretic said:
Good brother sccoop, there is no entity called the Church. Its an abstract idea. catholics keep saying..the church will do this, the church is suffering that. There is a difference now, the men who operate this org called the catholic church….they are responsible for all actions done in the mane of this org.Like you said, a club has rules. You make excuses for the wickedness of a “few” of its members. You fail to take into account these rules. Its the set of beliefs of this CC that is responsible for the holocaust and the genocide of the cathars and Albigensian people. It started from day one 350 AD. Anyone who refused to join this new state run religion was a criminal. Then, the clergy saw the good land owned by people and accused them of heresy and burned them alive and confiscated their lands, which just so happened that adjoining lands were owned by these damnable heretics. The catholic dogmas call anyone who wont bow to the pope ananthema, which for lack of a better description, means worthy to be killed and or burned at the stake. If any person does not believe every word of catholic doctrine, let him be ananthema. jews killed our lord. Get em!!! This was preached in all catholic churches. The concordant with good brother Hitler sealed the fate of europes jews, and the holy father was so happy, he almost pees himself.
So you see, its not just some wild eyed out of control catholics who give the CC a bad name…its the doctrine of the CC that drives these people to do act against humanity in the name of the catholic church.
I make no excuses. They excuse themselves.
And what don’t you understand about the words of scripture calling the Church the Bride of Christ and the Mystical Body of Christ. Is that an abstract???
Bosco the Heretic said:
Good brother scoop, the bible never called some org the church. Jesus never said his church is an org. he said his people would not be discerned. the saved come from where you no nothing, and you cant follow them. You are lucky to have me here. but the mary worshipers like you want to ban me, since you can burn me.
Christ didn’t start a corporation first of all. He created a deposit of faith, which we are obliged to follow, since it is His Body still visible in the world. Next, how many times do I have to tell you that many people in any faith are only so in name only. That a man identifies himself as a member of the Catholic faith is not necessarily a good, practicing Catholic. Now what is his status in the Church from the viewpoint of Christ as the Head of the Church? He has separated Himself from the body by his sin and/rejection of the teachings given to the Church; in other words he has condemned himself and separated himself on the supernatural plane latae sentiae . . . ipso facto by his own rejection of Christ and His Body (the Church). Infiltrators or Judas’s do not detract from the Church but they bring about their own destruction. Yes, with people like yourself, you would turn your back on Her because she is being unjustly maligned by those who call themselves Catholic. And you are to be condemned for confusing the two. As I said previously you are blaming Christ for those who bring scandal. The true scandal is on the individuals not Christ or His Mystical Body (the Church).
Bosco the Heretic said:
Well, i kinda agree with you there good brother. Each man is responsible for his good or bad actions. It shouldnt reflect on the church hes a member of. We all are responsible for ourselves.
OK, so im not catholic and that means im outside the bride of christ. That means good brother Neo is also in error and outside the salvation afforded by the bride of christ, his church. The reason we are here is to hammer out salvation. the one single reason. Why dont you put pressure on your good friend Neo to do the right thing and become catholic?
Those battles were fought many years ago, Bosco; don’t you remember them? All we do now is speak of the ugly siding that is hiding the beauty that lies within . . . or to nail down the things that need to go and how we might be able to help in that process. Of course I wish to bring everyone into the Catholic Church since I am convinced that all were meant to be in it. That does not mean that everybody will agree with me nor does it mean that I must beat people up to join Her. I’m a realist; it is the movement in the heart that draws people to conversion as it did to Struans who was as anti-Catholic as anybody here. It doesn’t mean that we all don’t have some common battles that we can fight together to make the world a better place nor does it mean that we are not all interested in bringing Christ into this fallen world and restore a Christian morality within our society.