Voici une site qui contient les mots de la messe en latin. Aujourd’hui, je voudrais traduire quelques mots pour nous faire réfléchir.
P : Deus, qui humanae substantiae dignitatem mirabiliter condidisti, et mirabilius reformasti: da nobis per hujus aquae et vini mysterium, ejus divinitatis esse consortes, qui humanitatis nostrae fieri dignatus est particeps, Jesus Christus, Filius tuus, Dominus noster: Qui tecum vivit et regnat in unitate Spiritus Sancti, Deus ; per omnia saecula saeculorum. Amen.
Priest: “O God, You who wondrously bestowed worth on human substance, and – more wondrously still – remade it anew: grant to us, through the mystery of water and wine, to be kindred to His divinity, He who deigned to partake in our humanity, Jesus Christ, Your Son, our Lord, who lives and reigns with You in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, unto the ages of ages. Amen.”
All Along the Watchtower 
For the studious study of some . . . such as you, Nick:
If anyone is interested, here is the entire Latin Mass with English translation on the right side of the page here: http://www.traditio.com/office/masstext.htm
And this is a side by side comparison of what was removed and/or changed in the Novus Ordo Missae:https://lms.org.uk/missals
Of course the variations in the Novus Ordo, which are legion and so numerous that if a priest mixed them up continuously could say a different Mass every day for an entire lifetime and never exhaust the possibilities of entertaining his flock with a novel Mass. We don’t want the people to be bored do we?
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It’s hard to foster unity if the liturgy keeps changing – also hard to claim to be following tradition. Innovation seems to have been the watchword of the post-VII crowd. Change for change’s sake is unwise.
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Utter confusion reigns: and we know the author of confusion quite well. Novelty brings this confusion and we are still creating new novelties even now, 55 years after the Council and 50 years after the promulgation of the Novus Ordo. It is an ever-changing entity and has as many faces as there are priests who say it.
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It is clown masses and the like that I find particularly galling – well one can take solace in the knowledge that this is temporary; it will be purged one day.
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Most of that nonsense, thanks be to God, has stopped. However, there are enclaves that still exist of impertinent men who continue to act like 60’s radicals and hippies. Most bishops don’t want the scandal or the notoriety especially now when people can make videos on their phones and upload them to YouTube. But the smaller infractions occur all over the place and what was once forbidden, for good reasons, has become codified into a new norm; like reception on the hand standing and extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, laity raising their hands with the priest during the Our Father and the, NO added, Doxology.
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Plus the homosexual, pedophilia, and ephebophilia scandals have done a lot of damage. If bishops and priests wish to recover, then they have to show sobriety, a sincere sobriety.
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I think a general sense of freedom and licentiousness was unleashed at VII. There has always been sinful men doing horrid things during every age; among any group or religion. But at least with religion there was the powerful weapon, which was wielded commonly, to rid the Body of Christ from such wickedness or from scandalizing the faithful; i.e. excommunication. After VII few excommunications were formally used to bring the evil to light and serve as a warning that their behavior would not be tolerated. So it was almost a ‘get of jail free’ card to those who could now seemingly commit such sins without abandon. Satan is always prowling (especially amongst Christian leaders) around to devour men’s souls. But now it seems we have dropped our guard and our weapons to fight him. It is sort of what Pope Francis is suggesting with the immigration and destruction of entire nations. It is the overwhelming of the system, the trojan horse, the tower of babel or the devastation of the vineyard.
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Indeed – nothing there that I can disagree with. This I believe is why God is shaking the world with such intensity now as we approach the end of the age: He is purifying His Church.
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I hope the purification phase ends soon or many of the elect will be swept away in the tidal wave and perhaps lose their faith, hope and charity as well.
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We shall see. The question for each Christian is whether he is willing to give his all for God and the Kingdom. No one knows exactly what will be demanded of him (though we have categories of things as part of a general idea). This culture is forcing a confrontation, however. We may not live in China or the Middle East, but we are being asked to make choices and to accept that we may have to suffer in this life for the sake of the life to come. Christ’s comfort is perfect, but it does not mean driving around in BMWs.
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Yes, I think most Christians, even if only subliminally, senses a gathering storm.
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What would you ask God for, in respect of the Christian Church as a whole?
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I would pray and hope that these post Vatican II years may have fruit, yet. For God can bring good from evil. In this regard, although ecumenism is not being properly executed (a lot of false irenicism abounds) it has at least turned Christians of different stripes to look at one another and to see that we do need to unite in our fight against the world, the flesh and the devil. I would pray that it might be possible that all Christians then be given the grace to join together as the Church of Christ under one head, as we existed in the beginning. But of course, Christ prayed the same thing and it has not yet occurred. But that would be my prayer; at least we could offer each other solace in the coming persecution of the Mystical Body of Christ.
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Did someone mention clown masses? Those are my favorite kind.
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I find it informative to dip into your discussions as and when I can as it enables me to learn about the radical changes within Catholicism since 1960s.
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I think most of the denominations are affected by this problem in various forms. House churches and independent churches not so much.
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