I do not often discuss Mark Davidson’s “Four Signposts” theory, but since Iran is in the news at the moment, it seems appropriate to consider his exegesis of Daniel 8. Davidson’s website can be found here. He has written several books.
There are different views on how Daniel 8 should be interpreted:
- historically;
- futuristically;
- historically and futuristically.
The historical school interprets Daniel 8 as a description of the Achaemenid Medo-Persian empire, Alexander the Great’s conquests, and the Hellenistic empires, culminating in the acts of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
The hybrid school sees mosts of the passage in the same way as the historical school, but interprets the “little horn” as the Antichrist, with Antiochus Epiphanes as a type, foreshadow, or partial fulfilment of the prophecy.
The futuristic theory, advanced by Davidson, treats the whole passage as pertaining to the end times, with the historical events acting as types or partial fulfilments, confirming the truth of the ultimate fulfilment.
The advance by the ram is an invasion of the Middle East by Iran. The male goat with the prominent horn is interpreted as a coalition led by Turkey, which counterattacks after the Iranian invasion. The territory occupied by Turkey is subsequently broken into four smaller territories, and from these the Antichrist will arise.
Davidson, in Daniel Revisted, states that one thing that led him to this interpretation was verse 17, in which the angel interprets the vision to Daniel:
Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of the end. (ESV)
There are various ways to interpret this text. It could mean that some of the vision pertains to the end times or that all of it pertains to the end times. The some or all choice is an a priori position imposed by the reader on the text, not an inference drawn from it. We must be careful of treating Semitic languages and the culture of Daniel’s day as if they were our own.
I remain open to Davidson’s interpretation, but I am not committed to it. Further a posteriori information will confirm whether he is correct or not. I enjoyed reading Daniel Revisited some years back, but was not fully persuaded by all of the arguments advanced therein. I do believe that the Antichrist is presented in the “little horn”: Antiochus Epiphanes did not fulfil all of the items in that passage. How much of the rest of the passage is future remains to be seen.
Do you really think speculating about prophecy is healthy when approaching contemporary (real) geopolotical issues?
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If you swing the bat enough times you’re bound to get a hit now and then. I wrote some scripture once and 2 of the 4 predictions came true. These scriptures could mean anything. As human behavior and civilizations are circular, everything predicted ambas happened multiple times already. That’s not a sign, it’s obvious luck.
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Reminiscent of Bush believing in Gog & Magog before Iraq 2.0. Then French President, Jacques Chirac, recounts Bush’s 2002 phone call to him, saying “Gog and Magog are loose in the Middle East, and the biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. This confrontation is willed by God who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.” That story is confirmed by Thomas Römer, professor at the University of Lausanne, who had to explain who Gog & Magog were to a baffled caller from the Biblical Services for the Protestant Federation of France, who in-turn had just fielded a call from Chirac’s office asking “Who is Gog & Magog???”
Of course, that all ended really well.
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Destruction is not inevitable. Be nice to stop acting like it is. Living in the past and Hoping the future ends. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We’re on our own.
“ The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.”—Carl Sagan
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Now those are words to pay attention to.
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carl sagan, a well known god hater.
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Since your opinion is from a poisoned well, maybe you don’t understand the depth of the man. Did you know he spoke out against abortion? There is more to most of us than meets the eye. Even if you believe in god, if this three minutes doesn’t compel you to be better, there is something wrong with you. https://youtu.be/wupToqz1e2g
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Ok i watched the video. So Sagan is a master of the obvious. I can see you are impressed.
Alright, hes against abortion. Thats good. Tell me something, knowing he died godless, would you want to be him rite now?
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Sure. There is no god so godless is great. It’s amazing how well people can live without the nonsensical imaginary friend that never comes through nor makes himself known. In fact, if god were real it would be no debating it. Things that are real require no faith to believe in them.
I have no fear of death since developing the integrity to call religion what it is. Religion causes the fear then offers a solution. I’m pretty sure you’ve outgrown this but have too much invested to back out.
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Well good brother Jim, you come to the rite place. Religions are worthless, but have the value of keeping the notion of god and his son Jesus in the minds of people. Catholic, protestant, Islam, these sick sad religions cause more suffering than anything. I dont belong to a religion. Jesus is a man, not a religion. And i know him personally.
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It’s a nice imagination. Advances in neurological and endocrine studies have duplicated those close personal relationships pretty well. Eliciting emotion we even see things that aren’t there when properly manipulated. There are plenty of superb answers to explain the cultural and physiological phenomenon. But, have it your way.
By the time of your comments I can see you have distanced yourself from the outcomes of religion, but it is not distanced from you.
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Yeppers, i have nothing to do with religions. I laugh at them and make fun of them all the time.
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Branyan?
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Why are you baffled at what daniel 8 says? Gabriel explains it to Daniel. Am i the only one who knows how to read. The bible says what it means and means what it says. You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
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Antiochus is a hero.
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