This post concerns a debate in the field of philosophy of religion. It is not a post about universities. This article offers a useful outline and discussion of the debate. This entry in the Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is also useful, as is this one.
The nature of religious language and the processes of verification and falsification are important not only for Christians, but for society at large. In the culture wars, we find ourselves confronted with assertions needing to be clarified, classified, and tested. When the socialist cries, “The state should do X”, we can question not only the particular policy being advance but also the question of whether the state should do anything at all.
The analogies between Marxism and Christianity (which preceded it) invite the impartial inquirer to consider Marxism a distorted version of Christianity (see discussion in the Cold War spy novel series, “Game, Set, and Match“). The proletariat occupies the same position as those “blessed of My Father” in Matthew 25, the “poor” so ubiquitously described as oppressed by the world in the Bible (but see discussion of this as a spiritual term by Gavin Ashenden here). The Party occupies the position of the Saints/Church with the utopian result as the Millennium or new heavens and new earth.
The religious nature of Marxism should prompt the thoughtful theologian or philosopher to consider whether its claims should face the same rigorous analysis as the propositions of Christianity. Where Christians have been accused of holding doggedly onto beliefs in spite of contrary evidence, so Marxists have been. It is in fact an internet meme.
So, when we find ourselves engaged in serious apologetic work on behalf of the Gospel, confronted by advocates of the various -isms the god of this age has employed to keep man from Christ, we must consider a few questions.
- What sort of proposition has the opponent advanced: analytic or synthetic?
- What assumptions has the opponent made?
- What reasoning or experiential evidence is the opponent providing, if any, to support the proposition?
- Is the opponent actually responsive to falsification of his proposition?
If the opponent is not responsive, you should discontinue the conversation. Similarly, you should not continue if the root proposition is actually contradictory or otherwise irrational. Until that question is answered, no valid progress can be made from that point on (though prior conceptual matters could be dealt with).
A related post you might like to read:
https://fatima.org/news-views/the-spiritual-bankruptcy-of-the-poverty-gospel/
LikeLiked by 2 people
Thanks, I’ll have a look now.
LikeLiked by 2 people
Also, see my comments on FB this morning.
LikeLiked by 2 people
the trouble with the “poverty” Gospel is that it has forgone humility. It has forgone the actual sacramental nature of Matthew 25 and the treasury of the Kingdom of God. Sure Materialism is one of the great heresies of our day, but in authentic Christian teaching from St. Justin Martyr to Chrysostom to Augustine to Aquinas–the material is a created good from God. St. Mark speaks of building up a treasure in Heaven, so does Matthew. There is a place for those who are affluent in the Church. They must be given hope, just like the poor, in the gospel to have an authentic experience in God. We need to teach the Gospel, the repentance of Sin, and the communal aspect of authentic Christian living.
LikeLiked by 3 people
I fear much of the church establishment – Catholic, Methodist, Anglican, et al – has been too heavily influenced by socialists. At the risk of incurring opprobrium, my advice is to stay away from their publications and contact with dangerous figures. Rarely will good come from such contact: you will upset yourself and fail to persuade them to abandon their Labourite / Democrat position.
LikeLiked by 1 person
The good that any of us do comes from God; granted as a Catholic, I see grace as infused–poured in the vessel. Regardless of thoughts on grace, most Christians will say (or should) that any good comes from God. But, as I will call the ‘Modern Poverty Gospel, again, seeks to raise those who preach it and stress it, as if it’s the end all be all to the entirety of the Gospel.
Again, do we stop to think of the glory of God when we help others or the glory of ourselves? Didn’t Thomas More write a whole work on how creating a Utopia on earth is futile? Let us humble ourselves, I included!
We should absolutely help the poor, but there must be an order within our spiritual disposition that honors God through the good that HE brings forth as His instruments.
LikeLiked by 1 person
A burning or zealous love of God is available to all men and those with less are impoverished in comparison to those who have more. Material wealth has nothing to do with the love of God and the pursuit and acquisition of the virtues. Rich people may be more prone to shift their eyes from God to self due to their love of money and accomplishment while the poor may be more prone to shift their eyes from God due to their envy, taking to heart that they are due that which they do not have in material goods. They have listened to the poverty (or soup kitchen) gospel and have taken it to heart that they are victims and that they have been robbed of what is rightfully theirs. So they also have put themselves in a position where their eyes have shifted from God to themselves. If you love god with all your heart and mind and your neighbor as yourself then you can do well whether you are rich or poor. This praise of the poor is a very demonic ideology as it is a distortion of truth which is easily swallowed as having come from the gospel and harder to spot that a clear cut and more obvious lie.
LikeLiked by 1 person
There is a special place for the lowly in the Gospels, but I think what you’re hinting out seems inherently connected to class warfare, which is inherently Marxist in its source.
The poor, in fact, are blessed and are for others to receive their blessings—that is the proper sacramental relation mentioned in Matthew 25.
LikeLiked by 2 people
Matthew 25 does not clearly state that they be necessarily poor . . . but in need (like a man beaten and unconscious on the street . . . who may be rich), even if only temporarily in need.
Giving from your excess is obviously not as beneficial as a Christian virtue as giving all that you have as the ‘widow’s mite’. Redistribution of wealth by the state has no value for the population whatever; not spiritually anyway . . . only materially and in a worldly effort to bring about equality where material equality is not required in the spiritual sense.
Societies do, however, have a moral obligation to their citizens to protect life and make efforts to allow those who are disadvantaged to have a path forward, if they are able, and at least try to care for those totally incapable, mentally or physically, of surviving in this world on their own. But those are individuals and not whole classes of people which we tend to call ‘the poor’: for our poor, as an example, are classified as those who have less then $20,000 per year and they can certainly survive better than most people did in the past ages of recorded history.
Once welfare is on the table by the State then you are inviting an invasion of problems such as people who want free stuff . . . invasions of those who want what you have like welfare payments, free tuition, free medical care etc.
Then people who are better off feel no obligation to practice charity of neighbor. We are more likely to send them to a welfare office, a homeless shelter, a clinic, or a soup kitchen. So it has become increasingly hard to practice Christian charity in Western Society. The state goes too far when they begin calling for redistribution of wealth and increasingly adopts onerous taxes in an attempt to even out the material advantages or disadvantages due to victimhood beliefs, laziness, or for politically driven compassion for a particular ‘class’ rather than helping individuals. In fact it cannot do that as well as we can as individuals.
As a nation, I feel pretty secure in the fact that the U.S. has given more in ‘alms’ for disaster victims, medical epidemics etc. than any other nation on the face of the planet from the beginning of time even to those who live in other nations around the world.
Living in the years before welfare and socialized medicine it was much easier to practice a true virtue of charity than today when it can be downright dangerous to do so. Drug addicts, psychotics, alcoholics and severely deranged people are a large number of those we see on our streets who seem to have escaped the welfare system and it is understandable why people are loath to risk life and limb to help them. After all, most of us have family who depend on us for their wellbeing. We don’t simply run into the poor who are seeking alms like in India (and everybody carries a few rupees with them to drop in their cups) and it is safe to do so. You are not likely to be murdered, raped, or mugged in the process in such countries . . . but here it is not uncommon.
I guess it bothers me when liberation theology tenets (based in Marxist philosophies) dominate our Christian ideas today and is preached from the pulpit.
To tell you the truth, I now try to help those who I know something about who have experienced a great loss. I find a way to get the money into their hands. The others . . . even though they receive welfare are iffy. Some are scammers and others want to buy a bottle of wine or a bag of dope. So pointing them to a welfare office and a soup kitchen is about all one can do . . . and for them they are probably well known to these agencies and so are their scams. They show up from parish to parish with sad stories. My wife has seen them all at her parish and at times they even get angry and violent and have to be removed by the police . . . they can be rather scary especially to women who usually run the offices of parishes.
Once socialism reduces us to another Venezuela I think most of these poverty gospel folks will change their tune as there will be no safety nets anymore. The state will eventually run out of other people’s money.
The poor are not blessed because they are poor. They can be a blessing to others just as a rich man can be a blessing to others as well. It’s just that we are asked to love one another and to practice charity (for love of God) . . . it has nothing to do with how much we have materially. It has to do with how much we love our Lord and in seeing our Lord in others.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Phillip, you might enjoy this c. 30 minute interview between Dr Darrell Bock of Dallas Theological Seminary and Dr Michael Heiser, resident scholar at Faithlife.
LikeLike
I think in our age we have subversion that has stressed low Christology over High Christology in an attempt to raise man above God. In High Christology, there truly is an acknowledgment of the sinner before the glory of the Lord that actually ‘accompanies’ a call to holiness, whereas, now most folks think humanity is generally good and Jesus is only our domesticated smiling friend.
I went to the later Mass this morning, I usually go the early one. I suppose it’s thought that the more traditional go earlier; probably a correct assessment. It was Ascension mass and I watched while they changed the hymns from “Crown him with many Crowns” to some 1970s folk song. I shook my head and muttered loudly out an innate reaction. It’s supposed to be a high feast…it was just another day.
LikeLiked by 2 people
You have my sympathy, Phillip – my love to you and your wife. I personally find that keeping the OT and Johanine verses in mind is a useful remedy against low Christology. Christ to me is the Yahweh of the OT – contra the JWs – and my own focus on eschatology keeps several matters concerning Him often on my mind.
A) He will judge humanity when He sits on the Great White throne at the end of the Millennium.
B) He will execute the wrath of God (and His own wrath) on sinners at the Parousia. If Revelation is read literally, this entails sores, burns, and other terrible punishments. Even if one interprets these judgments as the natural consequences of our own actions (a la climate change interpretation of Revelation), Christ permits these things to happen.
C) Christ will destroy the Islamic (and European?) armies that invade Israel at the Battle of Armageddon.
D) Christ, being God, knows my every thought. As He hung on the Cross, He knew what the total depravity of our condition is, the punishment of which He Himself bore.
LikeLiked by 2 people
Thanks for the kinds words. My wife and I are doing well for the moment. After our last year, I seek the interior peace of the moment more and more.
LikeLiked by 2 people
I am glad to hear that you and your wife are doing well for the moment Phillip. I do hope God will continue to give you both great peace and comfort in the future.
LikeLiked by 2 people