In England, and thus by extension the English-speaking world, we inherit a tradition which has been called the “Black Legend,” through which English Catholicism has also been viewed. It makes the Catholic Church the centre of anti-English activities, a cruel, intolerant organisation characterised by the Inquisition. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs provided a foundational text here, portraying Queen Mary I as “Bloody Mary,” a theme now so ingrained as to be to some extent immoveable.
In his influential “A History of the English-Speaking Peoples,” Churchill captures this legend in his treatment of England’s history as one of struggle against the Catholic Powers of Spain and France. The implication of a special English “destiny” was one passed into the American DNA via the idea of “manifest destiny.” All good stories have a villain, and the Catholic Church makes an excellent one in this narrative.
On top of these older narratives, we have a newer one, propagated via aggressive modern secularism, which is hostile to Christianity, but particularly so to the Catholic Church. This new narrative has widened its scope beyond the old victims, who were mainly white male; women and children have been included in the charge sheet. The Church is portrayed as anti-women because of its stances on abortion and contraception; indeed there are some areas where even praising this is seen as “offensive.” It is also hostile to “LGBTI” rights. And then there is child abuse and its cover up. As ever, there would be no smoke without fire, and on the last of these issues, the Church still seems a little tone deaf in some places, and, of course, the large areas where it is not get no attention from its critics.
All of this amounts to a sustained narrative which creates difficulties being a Catholic in the public square. So how do we tell a different story without simply being accused of a biased “revisionism” for its own sake?
In the first place we need to get our history right.
If there was a time when Christianity was alien to England, it was before the invasion of the Emperor Claudius in A.D. 43. By the time of the great rupture we call the Reformation, Christianity had been in these Islands for nearly 1500 years. It did not arrive in the seventh century with St Augustine. Bede is clear that it was already here, and what is sometimes called the “Celtic” Church seems simply to have been the Christianity that was already rooted here before the early fifth century when the Romans withdrew.
England, then Wales and Scotland have a longer history of being “Catholic” than they have of being anything else. Indeed, as Cranmer, Laud and the whole Anglo-Catholic tradition exemplify, a very large section of English Christianity saw itself a a reformed Catholic Church. Beowulf, Chaucer and Shakespeare are all products of Catholic culture, as is our education system, as is our law and morality. Reasons of State made it necessary for the English and then the British State to play up the separation from Rome; but that was not the same as separating from what Christianity had given to England, and indeed, Britain.
If we could examine our history afresh and tell this story, rather than the grand narrative of Churchill, then we should make steps in a positive direction. This is not about “revisionism” for its own sake, but it is, as with “Black” and “Women’s history,” a recognition that unless the story of a neglected group is told, it is hard for us to ass that group in a proper historical context.
I would suggest that viewed from this angle, the narrative is one that unites us. The story it tells is of the way in which the Faith created a civilisation with values and norms which are still needed; created an art which still influences us; and created a culture which still matters.
It is not, and never should be, a matter of denigrating in turn those who have denigrated the Catholic Church, but rather one of emphasising the values of the Faith and their positive legacy and continuing influence. It is of saying that Catholics is not “Irish,” or “Spanish” or “other,” it is part of the English spirit. But who will tell that story, who will write that curriculum for out schools, and who will promote the attempt to correct the balance? And equally important, who will do it in a non-partisan manner which recognises that no story is wholly black or white?
I would suggest that if prominent Catholics are looking for good causes, they might do worse than work towards the creation of an Institute that might begin and promote this good work.
We have schools and universities which are world-class, but we have inherited a tradition of reserve and perhaps have so thoroughly taken on board the need to “keep our heads down,” that we have hesitated to take the lead where we are able. We would not want to be accused of being sectarian, not least by those who are.
But there is nothing sectarian in capturing again the ways in which Catholicism is part of our heritage. In 1852 Newman delivered a series of lectures on the Present Position of Catholics in England which repay study. He outlined the problem and part of the solution. We are still looking for Catholics who will go forward with the task he outlined then. Shall we, in our time, say the way is too hard and the task too difficult? It was in Newman’s day. It is harder now. It will get no easier.
The trouble will come when the secular governemnts come after the ability to teach our own children our traditions and when those bastions of Christian higher education seek to cover up the past, to placate to the secularist, rather than make the record straight on the actual facts.
Christianity came quite late to the Americas. And the secularist here drums up anti-colonialist charges on our European ancestors. All the while they perform their own version of colonialism on the minds of the populace.
The media targeted a Catholic schoolboy in attempt to paint Catholicism as a source for bigotry. The narrative turned on them and instead of correcting the story, they simply let it disappear. The whole ordeal is of the Covington Catholic High School story is that the “free press” is no longer free and trustworthy when a certain ideology holds the keys to admission into its ranks.
The University of Notre Dame covered up the mural of Christopher Columbus, ashamed of the spread of the Gospel and failed to correct the narrative against Columbus in the ‘popular’ rendering of the history, albeit not correct.
Oregon is attempting to pass a law that when children are born a state worker can now enter your home to deem it ‘acceptable’.
One State (NY), Failed in one (VA), and moving towards a vote in Rhode Island seeking to codify infanticide. The slippery slope is gone. It is the American version of the ‘final solution’ and large portion of this nation is cheering it on. I often couldn’t imagine in Nazi Germany how lost were those people; chalked it up as fear, but can I so easily do so now, while those here in this nation cheer for the murder of a class of people? If one can kill a breathing human being because of a failed abortion, what stops from the justification of deaths of those older who are deemed burdens? This is the same eugenics as Nazis, redressed, and I don’t think people don’t understand, I think they do not care. Again, in my imagination of Nazi Germany, I never envision a nation that didn’t care. I envisioned one that was duped and scared. How scary to me to realize that the possibility is apathy.
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That is scary, because it was how the totalitarians ran their shows. This is why we have to act and now. The Church funds schools, and if schools are not willing or able to lead on this, then I can see no use in the Church carrying on the funding.
The State will not do so, and in that case schools will close.
Hard choices demand we make hard decisions.
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Our parish just had a newsletter speaking of hard times for its school. I told my wife it’s hard to justify giving money when they run more or less as government schools with crosses in the rooms.
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In the end those who pay the piper can call the tune – if we do so then either the piper listens or he goes out of business.
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Good point.
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In regards to your own history, as well as Catholicism as a whole, you have to begin at Edward Gibbon and his critique on the Church being the source of the fall of the Roman Empire. When Augustine refuted this hypothesis 1400 years prior, I have no idea how this has survived a legitimate thesis.
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In our case the State sponsored 300 years of an anti-Catholic legend.
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Ah yes.
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Philip and Chalcedon, you should both look at the Commission for Countering Extremism in the UK, if you haven’t already: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/commission-for-countering-extremism
Another worrying sign of the pariah status Christianity is rapidly gaining in the UK. Unless we can reverse this, we will end by losing any legal right to speak out against abortion, etc.
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We should indeed look at it, and I think my own University should respond.
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I need to reread what Gavin Ashenden has said on it – he’s usually good on these issues.
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He is indeed.
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It seems to me that much of our heritage is being attacked by the political correctness etc unleashed during the Blair years. AV Dicey would be shocked at what our culture is like now as he would at the plethora of statutes we have and the way in which human rights law has been used. I was appalled to read on Cranmer’s blog about the ECtHR decision towards the end of last year that one cannot disparage the prophet of Islam. Thankfully it is not binding on our courts, but I fear it might be persuasive with liberal-leaning judges. I take it you are also familiar with the controversy about the invitation-only seminar/colloquium in Oxford on colonialism? It is disgraceful that professors of history should have to discuss things behind closed doors for fear of being attacked by Antifa, the MSM, et al.
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I think that would be useful. I’m afraid our governments have trouble hearing their citizens anymore. Perhaps those with respected positions can be heard more clearly. Like Philip, I am concerned here, as well. Free speech must be protected, but the amendment as a whole must also be, and the free exercise of religion is listed even ahead of free speech. And few things are clearer than the historic church’s teaching on abortion, just today, I quoted Tertullian on it, and all the leaders of our Faith from Moses until sometime last month agreed.
I fear that Europe is lost. I would not expect any relief for Christians to come from anywhere, at least in western Europe.
And yes, Catholicism has been the bogeyman of English/American/Anglosphere history, ever since Henry VIII, occasionally, perhaps, with cause, even as it has been in parts of German history. It’s a convenient, handy usage, and therefore overused, and should now be discarded. The Church of England, like Lutheranism, is not all that far from Catholic in our beliefs and methods, certainly, we are closer to each other than we are to the secularists, and even, perhaps, to our own heterodox. And that is how we should proceed, I think. Might be another area where Ben Franklin had something to teach when he said, “We’d best hang together or we will assuredly hang separately.
I don’t think we’re quite in the last ditch yet, but it would be more becoming to begin to move forward, rather than the long retreat we’ve witnessed in our lifetime.
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Never was a truer word spoken than that about hanging together. The enemy is write large, it is aggressive secularism which fails to see that it is an ideological position and not, as it claims, neutral.
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Completely concur.
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“The Church of England, like Lutheranism, is not all that far from Catholic in our beliefs and methods,”
Anglicans and Lutherans both believe they will enter heaven when they expire , if they remain true to their faith. Catholics believe Anglicans and Lutherans are going straight to hell when they die….if they don’t renounce their religion of errors and join Holy Mother Church.
Good brothers Neo and Nicholas, let me ask you something. Have any of the catholics in here ever asked you to join the catholic church? Have any of them told you that you are headed straight to hell if you don’t? Why not? They sit here and smile in your face and pat you on the back and LIKE you comments. Don’t they want to see you in heaven? I guess not.
But me, on the other hand, each and every one of them have told me im a child of the devil and am headlong into hell….and that I should get with it and join the one true religion, the Catholic Faith. And each time I thanked them for offering me salvation….where they are convinced salvation is in their faith.I respect that in them….that they offer me salvation. its a good quality in them. They would make great soldiers for Christ…..way better than me.
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Bosco, why tell lies? None of the Churches you mention believe you go to Heaven automatically when you die. Nor do Catholics believe other people will go to hell.
You may take on yourself, in your ignorance, God’s right to decide these things, and you may think that finding out of context scraps of quotations on the internet proves something, but all of these simply show you have no idea what you are talking about.
None of those Churches have told you you are going to hell. Given your habits, it may be that you have managed to find individuals in them as ignorant and argumentative as yourself with whom you can wallow in the mud, but that simply shows that the ill-informed attract each other.
One day, God willing, you will stop wallowing and start praying.
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“Bosco, why tell lies? None of the Churches you mention believe you go to Heaven automatically when you die. Nor do Catholics believe other people will go to hell”
Good brother Neo, good brother Chalcedon says your religion offers no guarantee of salvation.
Good brother Nicholas…good brother Chalcedon says that your religion does not guarantee salvation.
Catholic Popes and doctors have repeatedly stated that there is no salvation outside the bosom of the catholic church. Modern day Mary worshipers try to distance themselves from that hard line. Why does Bosco care about all this? Its all a bunch of nothing. Bosco loves kicking people on their way to hell. Heck, youre going to hell when you die. Let me kick you in the head while youre still alive. What does it matter. The real pain comes after you die….and its not from me.
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In other words, all you have to go on are out of context quotations on the internet. I did say that, so change the disk.
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Good brother Chalcedon, you are a gem. If I quoted the whole catechism from cover to cover, you would say I took it out of context. (;-D
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As it is meant to be understood and not recites, you would be.
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I’m not entirely concerned with our faith being illegal. I often muse how the idea of freedom of speech while is a good and the like renders it powerless. In American history, how effective could Thomas Paine’s Common Sense have been in the colonies if King George had legalized that expression?
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I take your point, but we seem to me to be in a place where to concede more would be folly.
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Indeed. I’m just trying to look for the silver-lining for what appears to be the inevitable.
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I think we have the silver lining, more or less literally in that we pay for them
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`Good to see you good brother Chalcedon. Glad to see you are still beating the dead horse of catholic morality. The CC teaches against homosexuality….but most of its holymen are homosexuals…as pointed out by good brother scoop. The CC teaches against pedophilia….but most of its costume holymen are guilty of it. Now, it teaches against abortion….but its nuns are aborting babies from priests raping them all the time. The nuns have been the free hookers for the straight priests from the beginning. I don’t see how anyone can walk into a catholic church and keep a straight face. I must confess….im thinking of becoming a catholic priest. Heck, id have my pick of the litter of hunny bunny nuns, and I don’t even have to sweet talk them or waste money on diner and a movie. I love it.
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Thanks for the welcome back. As usual you spoil any case by overstatement. Yes the things you mention are a problem in the Church, as they are ion the wider society.
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The wider public? Are you saying there is no difference between being a member of the catholic church and being a member of the Kit Kat Gentlemen’s club? The CC claims to be founded by Christ, and the holy spirit guides it, its priests are little Christ’s and its headed by the Vicar of Christ himself…the Lord God the Pope. Don’t bleeding heart catholics refer to the CC as a pilgrim? So what your saying is….as the world goes, so does the catholic church. That’s no pilgrim. Theres no salvation in that snake pit.
Jesus stands at your door and knocks. All you have to do is invite him in.
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Bosco, if you do not know the difference between a Church and a club, seek help. As usual you avoid the issue. Being a member of a Church does not make you a better person, nor does it automatically confer immunity against sin.
If just saying “I believe in Jesus” saved you then why did he bother dying on the Cross Bosco?
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A girl took me aside and told me Jesus wants to live with me. My upbringing in Methodist church didn’t conflict with any of that. I believed what the girl was telling me. But I was not there for a church service. I was there to get me some free love. Yeah baby yeah. nEverybody I know believes in Jesus. That doesn’t do anything. I believed what the girl told me. No giant deal. But le t me out of here. Next time I go to a free love festival I will be more careful. But on the way home I felt funny. My eyes were opened. I saw the world different. You religion people cant stand the witness of people who can see. You say they have devils. For so they accuse theirLord befor them.
Good brother Chalcedon say7s I dont know the difference between a club and a church. He will have to explain to me the difference. I thought he got saved during his absence. But he doesn’t figure in all the vice his clergy is involved in. He seems to think its normal. Well, religious people all think their religion is good.The one thing they cant tell god is that they weren’t warned. And I can tell god that I warned them
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I hate to be the one to break it to you Bosci, but we are all sinners. It’s in the Bible – Romans 2:23; 1 John 1:18. Why are you setting up the false argument that priests should be without sin?
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Every man has sinned and come short the glory of god. The playing field is level.
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So why did you imply that there was something special when Catholics sinned?
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