Leibniz in his response to Locke, argued that Locke had misunderstood what innate knowledge is. Locke had defined innate knowledge as true propositions universally known. Since infants and people with mental disabilities lacked these propositions, Locke argued, they were not universal, and therefore, could not be innate.
Leibniz argued that innate knowledge was a congenital propensity to acquire certain propositions, not the propositions themselves. Certain occurrences in life would normally “trigger” the propensity, and so we would acquire the propositions. Infants, so far as one could tell, simply had not been “triggered” yet.
Since propositions are made up of concepts, one could use the same argument concerning innate concepts. Our minds are predisposed to form certain concepts, provided they are exposed to the right stimuli. Leibniz used the analogy of a block of marble to convey this argument. Just as artists say the form of the statue is already within the marble, because of the structure of its veins, so the concepts are already within our minds. The chisel unlocks the statue from the block, and experience unlocks the concepts within our minds.
Science has moved on since the Enlightenment. Now many scientists argue that there are innate concepts and propositions, genetically-encoded in us and animals. Birds are instinctually able to complete the songs of their species, despite only hearing phrases of those songs from their parents. Human babies appear, at around five months old, to grasp the concept of mind independent objects.
This research only pushes the problem a step back, however. The concepts may be innate now, but if they were acquired through evolutionary processes, then the question still remains concerning their ultimate origin. A materialist who concedes the existence of innate knowledge might argue that it is the product of random mutation and natural selection. A theist would argue that God is the ultimate source of our knowledge and concepts: that proposition is more important to the Christian than the means by which God put the knowledge into us.
Ultimately, this epistemological problem must fit into a larger debate. It fits within bigger arguments concerning objective truth, the nature of knowledge, dealing with uncertainty, and knowing that God exists. Without objectivity, all our endeavours slip back into chaos and oblivion. Meaning presupposes objectivity.
Our concepts and knowledge must ultimately lead back to God. Quine argued that we are ontologically committed to the concept of God: we cannot reason without presupposing that God exists. This places us in a curious position as philosophers. Long before Quine, Kant was concerned with the ontological argument advanced by St Anselm (which subsequently faced challenges by Gaunilo and has also met attempts to rehabilitate or restate it).
Kant was concerned with the nature of the proposition, “God exists.” Analytic propositions, argued Kant, tell us only about the structure of our thoughts, not about how the world itself is. If the proposition, “God exists”, is analytic, it tells us only that our thinking presupposes the existence of God, not that there is actually a God “out there”.
Kant argued that propositions about the existence of things are synthetic; they are really claims that something in the world of experience corresponds to a concept in our minds. Propositions about existence, however, can only be known a posteriori – from experience. But how could one understand our everyday experience to confirm the existence of God? Such claims of experience would always be open to the challenge that they were subjective.
Thus, returning to Quine, if we are compelled to believe in God, but that belief does not connect with Something objective, we find ourselves in a curious paradox. The question, then, is really about perception. If we are connected to God through perception, then we know that He exists. This a posteriori route is not an exclusive way to God. The origin of our concepts and knowledge, discussed above, is also potentially an a priori route to God. If both routes have been provided, so that all men potentially may be saved, then St Paul is correct in stating that all men are without excuse regarding knowledge of God’s existence: God, in His grace, has provided ways for everyone.
“Leibniz argued that innate knowledge was a congenital propensity to acquire certain propositions, not the propositions themselves. Certain occurrences in life would normally “trigger” the propensity, and so we would acquire the propositions. Infants, so far as one could tell, simply had not been “triggered” yet.”
I feel as though this is where my process of thought is heading, so long as it is coupled with:
“A theist would argue that God is the ultimate source of our knowledge and concepts: that proposition is more important to the Christian than the means by which God put the knowledge into us.”
However, some concepts, I think platonically exist outside of our own minds like: truth, beauty, etc. If humanity no longer exist and we were left in a world with just tree and animals, what occurred in the world would be true and it would still be beautiful.
Furthermore, in Thomistic school of thought, there are two manners to gain knowledge: our senses and revelaton. Revelation works as a check and balance in its relationship with Philosophy. Therefore, the scripture reveals to us that both God and the law are already written in our hearts, so I don’t know if I could say to know God is “congenital propensity.”
From what I’ve read on Kant, he was concerned by this, “Without objectivity, all our endeavours slip back into chaos and oblivion. Meaning presupposes objectivity.” And thought that religion was useful in the endeavor of moral pursuits. Furthermore, if we reduce our knowledge to the posterior rather than priori, it pains me to say this, but I still believe that Descartes’ “Cogito Ergo Sum” trumps Kant’s final conclusion.
I believe that Kant struggles, albeit I haven’t read in detail, with Aristotelian metaphor and analogy. Since metaphor and analogy seem to “travel” to different concepts outside of posterior knowledge. In this manner, it would be closer to Leibiniz. Take for instance, when you don’t understand a parable and Jesus explains it and you have an ‘”Ohhhhhh” moment.
I never seen a sower sow at any rate. Perhaps, we also to establish the difference between sensory knowledge and knowledge of assent (which is still faith or trust).
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I guess since my college days my academic studies of such questions as these are decades behind me, I look to the metaphysical aspects of this cosmos in a rather simplified way. For instance you speak of truth and beauty objectively existing without humanity . . . and I wonder by what means that could be true? All objects (the source of that to be known or admired or appreciated or repulsed) require not only the objective ‘thing’ or ‘existence’ but also the ‘other’, the ‘experiencer’, the ‘receptor’ etc. And even then, there seems to be an innate quality that is only found in the human to ‘react’ to ‘beauty’, ‘truth’, ‘love’ etc. An animal has no sense of beauty but of reactions to that which it is programmed to desire for its own survival and desires to be fulfilled.
I’m not aware that any sentient being that is not human has a sense of the I-THOU that humans have nor do they ponder the future, seek justice, beauty, truth or appreciate its values . . . for they are ethereal at best if examined regarding our survivability. Is this at least a demonstration that human beings have a mystery associated with our very being? Why, when it is not necessary for survival in this world, are we drawn to that which is pointed toward an understanding of a moral universe where evil and good are judged and choices are made as to whether we fight for self or for a higher purpose?
To some extent the Platonic idea of the PERFECT FORM is almost an driving source (if not found in all men . . . but able to be chosen by all men) to be found. This perfection is what most Christian would regard as God. And without our being able to be moved beyond simple survival then art, music, love, justice would be useless to our existence . . . we would simply be other living things that care about only the basic necessities of life. But with humans we seem to be rather willing to die for things of a mystical meaning, that beyond our own survival to something far greater. If that is what the philosophers and theologians consider innate knowledge then we seem to have it and the Bible did recognize this when it records that we were not only breathed upon but made in the image and likeness of God: the prime mover, the first thought, the first word, the creator that loves, is just is beautiful is truth itself; ordered to law rather than chaos, peace rather than anarchy and an end other than dust to be swept away and nutrients to be recycled amongst the lower forms of existence. Without man, there is only the Creator to pass judgement on beauty, truth, love, justice, good, evil etc. Seems innately, just by the sheer volume and interest of the academics over the millennia seem to testify, that these things are important to us; for some unknown reason. It crosses all studies, science, psychology (ego, id, conscious and sub-conscious), philosophy, theology, sensual drives and spiritual drives, and science and let’s not forget mathematics as well.
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Some good thoughts here.
I’m not attempting to try to convince anyone of a correct with philosophical discourse. Im more or else just placing my thoughts into the open air to test them against the iron of others.
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Oh, I am not criticizing your analysis per se . . . only stating that creation without a ‘we’ is impossible as an innate good if there be nobody to evaluate, witness or behold that good, beauty etc. The sentence above seemed to be mis-spoken but corrected in your following comment with the mention of angels (the other receptors) of the gift of adoring that which is consistent with God and His creation.
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In regards to forms, I also want to make clear this is what I mean by metaphor and analogy. What exactly do I mean when I say truth and beauty exist in themselves? Aquinas speaks of perfections being the names of God like goodness,life, truth, beauty etc. Naturally, the metaphors are different when we call God a rock as opposed to goodness, we do so in a way that is imperfect in which creatures participate in God. However, without our perception through the senses, does truth cease to exist? Does life cease to exist(Aquinas says God is living)?, Is God not beautiful to the intellect of Angels (Aquinas has proofs based on reason for Angels), Is God nor being itself? Is he not goodness?
These things still exist regardless of human perception.
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Yes this is true. But not for man. Were we like the other animals all such things simply are and they will not stop and admire the sunset and find anything in this world transformational or pointing to the transcendent. I think of the movie 2001 and the monolith with the apes. It is, to man, an obvious transcendent thing that is rather mystical . . . but to a dog or any other beast, it is just a rock. Heist you leg, and mark your territory . . . its about all its worth. 🙂
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I guess it could also be said that the cosmos has not purpose to created without the creation of men. Angels see God face-to-face and have no need of seen a reflection or fingerprint of God in the heavens or even in the minutest of details and mathematical laws. In that sense, the Bible which speaks of God furnishing this creation and then ‘tenting’ or tabernacling with us . . . should give us a dignity that is not afforded any other known creature outside of heaven. The universe, when looked at this way, might seem anthropomorphic in its very nature.
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