A liberal thinks that they stand on high moral ground for allowing anybody to enter our country and become a citizen; regardless of the harm that it causes to the country and the economy of its people. Criminals are ignored, as is the transport of drugs, terrorists and even human traffickers. So walls are immoral and they love to speak about building bridges as though that is some lofty moral mantra that makes those against their liberality seem to be intolerant dolts.
On the other hand. they seem to say that the living wall of a woman’s womb, is up to the individual woman as to whether that wall is able to be breeched at birth or if they will kill the ‘illegal alien’ before it sticks its head out into their private world. And this physical wall of the womb is not even a wall to prevent the child from entering this world but it is a natural protection of the child that is too small to live outside the womb until it has gained sufficient strength to survive in this cruel environment. It is designed to be both porous and a place to nourish and protect the baby until they biologically ready to be birthed.
But alas, liberals claim to have a right to get outraged if you call an illegal alien an’illegal alien’ simply because they are from another country (an alien) and enter without the express wishes of the country being violated (illegal). And conversely, they are not upset by referring to a child in utero as a fetus or a clump of cells (a seeming insult to human dignity). And further, they think they have a constitutional right to kill that baby if they wish. It it a woman’s ‘right’ you know. But woe to the rights of the people of our country who want secure borders from foreign invading hordes who get a wink and a nod as they pander for their future votes.
If a sea turtle’s eggs have more rights than does a human baby in the womb and an illegal alien who may do us harm as a country and as a society has more rights as well, then count me out of such an upside down world that calls these points of view logical and moral. They are neither.
I guess that is why I am a conservative.
All Along the Watchtower 
Continuing praying for God to end abortion in America. Veronika West had a word (recapitulated?) today on God destroying the temples of Baal in America.
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Indeed. But if He helps us it will be in opening up and changing hearts and minds. But He won’t change the laws: we’ll have to do it by votes that we cast according to our free will. So it is a good practice to pray for such things. We just shouldn’t expect a sudden miracle that doesn’t involve our own wills in this matter.
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I believe a change in the makeup of the Supreme Court is part of what God is doing: as righteous individuals co-operate with Him, together they can turn the tide by bringing constitutional claims to a court that will consider them.
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That too. But as I say this will be tough fight. The feminists and MSM are all in on this issue.
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Indeed. There is going to be a serious fight and a serious shaking. They will not like it when the sky is torn open.
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Agreed. the law is downstream from culture. Roe v Wade is an obvious example of that.
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BTW: I do think that He has already done that if you can believe the polls. Seems that the majority position today is pro-life. But now that it is on the books it will have to be seen through by our legislators and sent up to the Supreme Court. Getting something off the books is tough going.
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Indeed. If I were Prime Minister, I reckon I’d spend more time repealing laws than actually creating them.
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I’m with you on that for sure.
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False “conservative” misunderstanding & mischaracterization on what a liberal is and what a liberal thinks. I am a pro-life liberal. So there!
Trump is the main reason that I am not a conservative.
In my experience, conservative means hypocrite, liberal means honest and healthily skeptical.
I was a conservative hypocrite, for many years, so when a conservative hypocrite like Trump was elected, i became a liberal. I do all I can to be an honest liberal, and to pray for lack of hypocrisy in myself.
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Whatever! You are simply a fool, you look at what people say and how they say it without regard for what they do and likely disbelieve in redemption as well.
Can’t say if you were ever conservative, although I doubt it. There’s no doubt that you were and are a hypocrite.
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I believe in redemption by the blood of Jesus Christ. Not by politics, liberal or conservative. Your words are hypocritical, since you must believe in redemption by the new Republican lord god and savior, the evil conservative Donald J. Trump.
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So do I, and for all I know, so does Trump.
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Redemption in the blood of Jesus, also requires repentance, according to Jesus, Who said “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand”.
What evidence is there that Trump has repented of his narcissim, his government shutdown, and his lies?
None.
What he is doing is not Christian.
I have done some non-Christian things.
That does not justify or make Trump’s mistakes okay.
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Where is the repenting of all the narcissistic left wing kooks who are peddling their vile moral values. The government shutdown, for a mere 5.7 billion bucks to deliver on his campaign promises . . . that would be a rounding error in the size of this budget. It is nickels and dime stuff. You sell our your countrymen for the open border crowd of George Soros who along with Master Card was funding much of the invasion of these illegals? What you are doing is not Christian. You refuse to see that the actions of Trump have helped to give hope to the country that we can bring some moral values back to a Godless land stripped of its values and ethos. And everyone makes mistakes but not everyone is attacking Christianity like the Left does. Does that make you comfortable?
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Faith without works is dead.
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He’s done more for opposing the immorality of this pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-gender dysphoria and lack of jobs for working families than anyone. That you want to aid and abet the Obama globalist and socialist agenda and back the immorality that the left pushes regularly is really pathetic.
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Wednesday, 23 January 2019 at 11:22 pm
He’s done more for opposing the immorality of this pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-gender dysphoria and lack of jobs for working families than anyone. That you want to aid and abet the Obama globalist and socialist agenda and back the immorality that the left pushes regularly is really pathetic.
Scoop, Right versus wrong, not left versus right.
Obama with the globalist and socialist agenda (which is from the Lord God Almighty Jesus Christ) has remained faithful to his wife Michelle and has not been divorced.
Trump the man who has “done more for opposing immorality” has committed great immorality by divorcing his wives twice, married to a third wife (thus cheating on his first two wives), and cheating on his current wife with at least 2 women.
That the right believes Trump is God, is Jesus Christ, is really pathetic.
And that Obama is the devil”. My friend opposed Hillary Clinton because he said she is “amphibian sh*t”, “Satan incarnate” and a “lesbian”, so, of course, vote for “God’s servant on earth” (as my friend said”, because God’s servant on earth can show hom much he opposes immorality and homosexuality by committing adultery and heterosexual sins and divorces. Scripture: God hates divorce. God hates sin. One sin we did not commit: We did not vote for the liar, Donald J. Trump.
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And by this you seem to have a yardstick to judge an individual: there personal sins which are known only to God and forgiven by Him according to His Mercy. Only God knows the state of another man’s soul.
But objectively, I must pick a person (both can be forgiven or both may be wickedly embroiled in mortal sin) according to his actions which will affect the nation and its society. I am sorry but a divorce is not as big a problem as 60 million dead babies since Roe v Wade. If you think that is more important then your logic and moral sensitivity is worse than I suspect. It is also not worse than the lefts constant hatred of Christians, prayer and liberty. They support that a Christian must go to jail if he will not bake a cake for a same sex marriage. This is total madness. And where did the sexualization or our children (sex ed) at the hands of liberal education ‘experts’ find you? Are you pleased that the government has legalized the sexual perversions being taught to our children? If this is how you equate persons (whom you have know way of knowing the state of their souls) as the template for how you vote, you are delusional. The entire moral fabric of society is being ripped apart and you worry about a personal sin which perhaps has been repented of and forgiven or maybe not. You have no way of knowing. What you do know is what these people believe and what they will do if in office. I’ll take a hypocritical person who does the right thing for the country over another hypocrite who does what is morally reprehensible for the country.
Will you also support euthanasia in your state when the dems put that on ballot? Its happened in the most liberal states already. How about NYC that now allows abortion right up to the moment of birth. They even lit the top of the New Trade Center building in NYC in pink to celebrate the vote. Yes you liberals are looney bunch who like to pontificate about morality and yet have no morality when it comes to the death of the aging or the death of the innocent unborn. You may be pro-life as you say but you elect those who will not only perpetuate it but make it even worse than it already is.
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So a party that took God out of its platform and put killing babies as almost a sacrament for feminists (now called women’s healthcare), embraces same sex marriage as well as gender confusion has nothing at all to do with the principles of the Christian religion? Forcing nuns to pay for contraception is OK with you? Forcing doctors and pharmacists to supply contraceptives and abortifacients against their religious beliefs OK with you as well? Giving money to support abortion factories like Planned Parenthood is fine? I guess all of the above are better than having Trump in office who is against all the above. And I suppose this new lurch to the Left toward socialism is also acceptable to you as well. The party of the KKK and Roe v Wade does not make you feel like perhaps you are a bit of a hypocrite yourself?
And I guess that is the logic that comes from those who think Guam will tip over if too many people stand on one side of the island. I guess the radical socialist, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is more in line with the religious principles that you embrace as well . . . just as long as you can get rid of Trump of course. Well at least by voting for the liberal elites you can use any bathroom you think fits you at any moment of the day: gender fluidity don’t you know?
For the life of me I cannot even find a Democrat agenda or set of principles other than the total destruction of moral values in this country. But if you like this agenda I’m sure that others like yourself plus all the dead of your cemeteries will once again cast their votes multiple times for any liberal who might run for office and hasten the day of total anarchy and increase division and hatred between every class of people and any minority group they can up: everybody is quite naturally a victim as long as they aren’t conservatives or Republicans . . . isn’t that right? Just a bunch of the 1 per centers and white privilege crowd who are preventing you from receiving all the free licentious goodies (taken from the working class taxes) that are being tossed your way like bowls of pottage for Esau. Your disconnect between religion (a binding of values) and politics which makes the laws (even moral laws) which we live under and protects our Constitutional rights are of no concern at all; as they have now even attacked the Constitution and think that we should modify it and the Bill of Rights to their new ideas of what should be included and excluded.
You are, unbeknownst to you, an enemy to both peace and order and make yourself a protagonist for disorder and confusion. Not exactly what I consider Christian at all. Your logic escapes me and I doubt you ever took the subject in school nor civics classes, nor a history of Western Civilization. For they are not part of the curriculum of schools anymore . . . thanks to those revolutionary, leftist, hippie professors that are more interested in radical social change than they are academics. We used to call this kind of thing brainwashing and I’m sure that MSNBC will back you every step of your misguided life. So at least you have their backing going for you anyway: the mainstream press never found a liberal activist or a crazy radical they didn’t like.
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I don’t support any of those things, and not all Democrats support them, either. You are reacting to a fascist stereotype of what a Democrat is and can be. You ignore Jimmy Carter. Many ignorant people do. And Bob Casey, Sr., Catholic and pro-life Democrat. I don’t support everything MSNBC does. And they talk very little about Roe v. Wade. They are gung-ho on Russophobia, which I despise and hate with all of my Christian being. Misguided life? So voting for a divorced man is supporting abolition of abortion?
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That is papalist scholastic nonsense. All sins are sins, and all sins are equally sinful. By God’s standards, which are absolutely sinless and holy, we have all sin. But a rational judgment has to be made. A man who says of himself, I am a pantheist, a Roman Catholic, a KJV onlyist, a supporter of Buddhism, Mormonism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, a supporter of charismatic Bible Church, my religion is watching the 700 Club, liberal fascists, violent negroes, queers, liberals, Democrats, and Hillary Clinton threaten my freedom and my very existence, because Hillary Clinton is Satan incarnate, a lesbian, and she is amphibian sh*t as my friend said of himself, you see, then, why I voted for Hillary Clinton, and not for Trump. Charles Sykes. How the Right Lost Its Mind. Save for Christ’s free mercy in heaven, none of us sinners have a hope of heaven except for Christ remembering us in His Kingdom, and by the things He does for us in the Church, His Church. Our Church stays out of politics, and did not tell me how to vote.It is wrong for the West to blame Putin and Russia for Trump.
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You are not judged by another mans personal sin unless you cooperate with it. His corporate sins that are going to be fostered upon a whole nation you willingly participate in . . . that is cooperation with sin. Who are the leaders of the party and what do they support? Did you vote for them? Do you support them? Did they or did they not remove God from their party platform years ago. It has not come back. So I don’t care if you want to judge a person or not . . . you’ll be judged by the same measure that you judge. But if you cooperate with an agenda proposed by a candidate that is morally opposed to the teachings of the faith . . . that will be cooperation and that then is a sin that you share with the person you elect. Your candidate may not follow through on their promises or they will attempt to.
Jimmy Carter??? What did he ever accomplish?
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Putting the word “God” in a Party platform does not mean the party knows loves or obeys the true God. They could be serving a false God, or trying to serve the true God falsely. This is what I believe the Republicans are doing: they profess the Christian God. The fulfill what Christ say: “Why do you call Me “LORD, LORD”, but do not do what I say”. Just because the Democrats do not have the word “God” in their platform does not prove in itself they are godless. The U.S. Constitution itself does not say the word “God”, nor does it say “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”. If you follow your lack of logic, you would have to say logically that the Constitution itself is atheist, because it doesn’t say “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”.
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No, but it tells you who they are courting for votes.
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What did any U.S. President ever accomplish, Scoop. To be fair, it seems that none of them really did much of anything. But that does not seem fair. Jimmy Carter, like all Presidents, accomplished something. Would you say Carter was not accomplish as much as Nixon did? How Partisan can you get?
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I’d love to give you a history lesson on Presidents but time will not allow it and this isn’t the blog for it. For that matter NEO’s blog would be more appropriate.
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You need to read what St. Thomas Aquinas taught concerning immigration and socialism: http://www.tfp.org/what-does-saint-thomas-say-about-immigration/
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Finally, someone with courage to speak up. Bravo good brother scotrobert.
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Scoop, None of the issues you fear are things I support as a liberal Democrat and a supporter of faith in Jesus Christ.
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Shortly before the election that put Trump in the presidency, I was at an evangelical conference. The main speaker had been one of the American evangelical leaders who had recently met with Trump. He told us that they told Trump. “We know that you are not one of us but that you will support our concerns”. I think (I stress ‘think) the guy is very immoral and some of the things he has been caught saying are disgusting. However. That does not mean that his presidency is not providential, he may just have courted the Christin voting power.
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Indeed: I largely agree with this assessment. I think the President is a fallen human being, like the rest of us, but that does not mean he is wholly without virtue. And I think his presidency is providential: his tenure is analogous to that of Cyrus. It is also possible that he may become a Christian. I think some of his genuinely held beliefs line up with Christian ones and that may be a doorway for him to walk through one day. The kindness he experiences from Christians who minister to him may lead him to conversion.
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It is unfortunate that many view the Christian support he receives as an affirmation of his personal life. It might be helpful for the cause of the gospel if more Christians in the USA clarified the nature of and reason for their support. As it is some charges of hypocrisy are being directed at Christians.
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If you go to Canon212.com and read on a consistent basis you will see that Traditionalist Catholics, at least, have made their voices heard as to why they support Trump and also most are not exactly drawn by the cult of personality and/or think him a saint. But he has courted their votes and he has delivered on far more of his promises to Christians than most presidents ever did, already.
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Yes, which is sad. Similarly, in the UK, if I were to express support for Boris Johnson I would not wish to be understood as supporting all his choices, merely his patriotism and general economic outlook. Likewise, I am fond of Jacob Rees Mogg, but that does not make me a Catholic.
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Canon 212…..as if all cathols obey every word of that catechism. cathls wave that book around as if its proof positive as to how all catholics act and believe. Maybe good brother Pell never got a chance to read it.
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