An Important Video: How the Church has become an ally to the liberal globalist agenda and worldly ambitions.

06 Thursday Dec 2018

Posted by Scoop in Faith

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12 thoughts on “An Important Video: How the Church has become an ally to the liberal globalist agenda and worldly ambitions.”

Rob said:

Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 6:07 pm

Sound’s very much like a description of Babylon Revelation 18:1-3.

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- Scoop said:
  
  Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 6:19 pm
  
  I can see why one might think so though I think the reality is far more human. I think we have seen the unfolding of the plans outlined in the alta vendita playing out before our eyes as well as the plans of the Communists who infiltrated our churches with the help of people like Bella Dodd. To me this is but a precursor; and what does not destroy the Church will only make her stronger though admittedly it will become a far smaller and more devout Church that is not chasing money and power. Then we shall see the purging of the rest of the world. I see it in the way that Christ told Peter that after ‘he turned’ to strengthen his brothers. I think Christ’s Church is undergoing such an episode now. Just like Arianism we saw the Church rebound . . . this is our Arian moment.
  
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  - Rob said:
    
    Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 6:29 pm
    
    I have no doubt that there are many true Christians within the institution. I just do not see the church of Christ in those sort of organisational terms. I love the simple faith of the man in Christ and in coming through what he has through his grace.
    
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    - Scoop said:
      
      Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 6:38 pm
      
      I love that as well. True believers living according to the teachings of Christ.
      
      As to the organizational terms; I look back and see St. Ignatius during the Arian Heresy telling the true believers that the non-believers my hold the power and occupy the churches but that they possessed the faith. And then he went on to ask them which is more important?. We know, because in the end Arianism failed and the Church rebounded.
      
      Today we are looking at something quite similar. It is very likely that Francis is going to create a schism and that those traditional believers will be said to be on the outside of the Church like the Chinese underground church which Francis has betrayed. Those in power will look like the State Church of China and own the parishes and the bank and occupy the seats of power. But the other side will hold to the faith and we shall see if God does not side with the Faith over they powerful. I think I know which one I’m betting my money on.
      
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      - Rob said:
        
        Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 6:57 pm
        
        I took note of the China situation. Of course from my perspective, a major problem occurred when the church linked with the state in the 4th century and continued with the Protestant state churches.
        
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      - Scoop said:
        
        Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 7:07 pm
        
        That is always the problem with missionary work I suppose. You are dealing with cultures that we sometimes do not understand fully. We think we can organically grow them into full communion with the Church and sometimes it fails as the true believers become persecuted and must flee the State. They become underground churches. Japan, Russia and China have all had their fair amount of problems assimilating to what they consider a Western religion as opposed to the religion and culture that they have held for many millennia.
        
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Rob said:

Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 7:17 pm

What did you think about his comment on multiplying bishops and having a flat structure? My reading of the NT and early church history was that the original pattern was a plurality of bishops in each city and that Rome actually kept this pattern longer than some other cities.

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- Scoop said:
  
  Thursday, 6 December 2018 at 7:27 pm
  
  Yes, it’s been discussed by a number of people; Raymond Arroyo being one of them. It really doesn’t make sense for a Bishop to have millions of people in their flocks. They can’t possible shepherd such a large group or know their needs. This is why the idea of synodal Church as Francis is speaking about is simply bait which looks good from the outside but has a hook hidden in its core. The real truth is that if the USCCB (which is highly political) is the spokesman for the US Church then each bishop will be neutered; their autonomy taken away and they will be under control (like the USCCB) by those in power in the Vatican. So more bishops and an adherence to teachings rather than contradictory practices of those teachings needs be given autonomy. If a bishop does not adhere to teachings and practices that coincide with 2000 years of Christianity then they should be removed and replaced. I welcome more of them . . . if we can find them in the present day. We are very thin in the priesthood department these days due to our inconsistency and poor formation of priests. So part of the problem is to revive good catechesis for our children and laity and to then give our candidates for the priesthood a solid education in the traditions that we have abandoned; then, perhaps, we’ll attract more priests and more people worthy of being raised to the rank of bishop. But judging from the crowd we have now it is a desire that is still many years away.
  
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bozoboy87 said:

Friday, 7 December 2018 at 5:09 am

Good brother Rob is the closest. He doesn’t see organizations as having any worth. But the unsaved still rely on men and their organizations to do this and that and clean up their beloved religious organization. If only the Holy Father does this or that, our state run religion will be purged of all its perverse costumed holymen. What these hell bound unsaved don’t understand is that their wicked costumed holymen are all they got and all they will get. The run the state run religion always have and always will. But the spirit in them wont let them get out of that cult of men and graven images. They love it. For some weird reason, semi educated well meaning people actually think leopards can change their spots. For one, the CC has been murderous and bloodthirsty from its beginning. It still is. But Mary worshipers think they can make it godly, when the fact that they worship a demon means they are doomed. Demons worshipers wanting a godly organization. How quaint.

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- Scoop said:
  
  Friday, 7 December 2018 at 12:01 pm
  
  I hate to tell you Bozo but hierarchy is in everything that God created, including heaven and earth. This is order and there is disorder. There was a hierarchy that naturally took form in civilization and an order that took place in religions; like Moses and the High Priest and the 12 Elders of each tribe. To be without order is to be without what God has instilled in us as part of Natural Law. The lower is always ordered toward the higher. Name one thing that does not follow this Natural Order of God’s Creation. Then read this:
  
  https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4246-enough-mr-dreher-an-open-letter-from-a-concerned-catholic-priest
  
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  - bozoboy87 said:
    
    Sunday, 9 December 2018 at 5:29 am
    
    Well good brother scoop, I cant name anything that goes against gods wishes, except me. Im a pitiful example of a Christian. Amongst the saved there is no hierarchy. When I was first saved the group I was led to had people saved longer than me and older than me. I listened to them. But we were all saved. We were all equal. nYou Mary worshipers have some weirdo chain of command. And all of your superiors are perverts. Why don’t you ask Jesus to reveal himself to you?
    
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    - Scoop said:
      
      Sunday, 9 December 2018 at 2:07 pm
      
      He did reveal Himself to me; through the saints and through His Church and through different times of need during my life. But no, I am not an island among equal islands. I am part of a family structure that has order; from the eldest to the youngest. God does not create chaos and disorder where each person believes differently and therefore has their own subjective truth. I live in an order where Christ is the Objective Truth and we are led and helped by our elders and our spiritual fathers to imitate Christ in our lives. Equality as you have called it is nothing different than satans chaos that puts yourself in the center of this world and looks a lot like socialism. It is a lie. Even the saints have rankings in heaven (different mansions) as do the choirs of angels. There is order and there is peace and happiness. Here we struggle to try as we might to find this order, peace and happiness but it is only a shadow of that which is to come in heaven.
      
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