How would you describe a miserable human being in moral and ethical terms? One might think it is a lack of love or empathy for others or to shamelessly use another’s misfortune, sorrow or pain to their own advantage; like a politician exploiting groups of people for their own gain though they are bereft of any true sense of love of neighbor. In the religious realm it might be using faith to twist and cajole others into losing faith, defying gospel teachings and natural and religious moral norms in order to lead them to hell rather than to God. I suppose the damned are looking for as much company as they can get.
But I can’t help but think that the worst form of a diabolical personality are those who pretend to be good, righteous and loving while they are hiding beneath a mask their desire to hunt people down like prey: predators seem to be the worst and those who know them and ignore them are nearly as bad.
This is the situation in the Catholic Church at the moment and I cannot think of anything more miserable than predatory religious figures who are no more than wolves in sheep’s clothing or hirelings who ignore the wolves for money, favors and public acclaim. We are aware now that there are a number of bishops who live this way but it is astonishing to us that our very Pope may be among them as well.
It might be easy to point a finger at the bishops who have devoured their own sheep and lambs but to imagine that the head of the bishops (the bishop of Rome and the Vicar of Christ Himself) might also be one of them is almost too much to fathom. And should it all turn out as being true in the coming months or years, we will have the poster boy of the most Miserable Human Being on the face of the earth. For if true, he is a diabolical narcissist, an actor par excellence and sadly the most miserable human being of our present era. There is nobody who is higher and who can fall further than the Pope of the Catholic faith and thereby his fall will be greater than scores of others who fall on a daily basis.
Let us pray that if the allegations are true that he will bow out gracefully and that those other bishops may follow suit. Then just maybe these Miserable Human Beings will be forgotten and the Church may once again regain Her splendor (never actually lost) to the eyes of this fallen world that revels in the scandals of the Church.
Now its time to ask….Where are the investigations going and if the bottomless money pit of the CC is buying off the US Authorities. Everyone is on the take. Lets take a look…Kupich or how ever you spell it, is as we speak, paying a PR firm $75,ooo a month to give his dioses a good spin. He knows very well the judges and attorneys office can be bought and sold. Hell, the CC has been influence pedaling for ever. Then, as I mentioned earlier, the CCs clergy can count on the faithful to shut up and take it…..and or just be told everything is fine, and they will buy into it. Its a programmed response. Prophesy doesn’t tell us the Harlot will be brought down because it does what it has always done. Good brother Luther got a face full of Romes wild perversions and nothing happened to change it. Instead of the faithful thanking good brother Luther for exposing corruption, first the Holy Father wanted to kill him and the faithful hate him for exposing the evil. To this day catholic faithful hate and demonize good brother Luther for speaking out against corruption. Im willing to bet money the faithful will continue to be good cathols and hate anyone, even their very own priests for speaking out. Do you think im wrong? A couple of days ago, the Holy Father said that bad or evil people speak out against the church and the clergy. Hes setting the pace as we speak.
In conclusion, nothing is going to happen.
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I thought I would look in here, as I am interested to see what the places I used to visit are making of the current disastrous situation of the Church. And here you are, Bosco, still strutting your stuff. Wow! Such commitment. The book I have just finished reviewing is a devastating account of a narcissist wrecker: it is called The Dictator Pope, by Henry Sire. We don’t read it to reject the Church but to see how low it has sunk, in order to know how much work God needs to do to restore it.
All you do, and have ever done, Bosco is carp and moan, chip away with your witless blunt tools, and bounce off any intelligent rebuttals people make to you, wearing other Christians down. Meanwhile, some people have been fighting a REAL battle for the life of the Church against REAL threats – not time wasters like you – and the battle is a very serious one. The sins of the men who let down the Church are devastating. Why are you still here wasting everyone’s time, if you claim to be a Christian? Just wondering, since there is an obvious job for everyone, a long way off from arguing with you. God love you.
https://equusasinus.net/2018/09/12/is-the-pope-a-catholic-part-1/
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Hey Gareth, good to hear from you. Hope you are doing well and your donkeys too.
I know. I was away for a long time and rarely write anything here that I did not put on my own website. But then my website does not have the anyone who likes to converse. It has become more of a combo of a news aggregation site and a few blog posts that I write from time to time. So I’ll take those and put them up here mostly for the 2 or 3 people who still converse (Bosco excluded of course).
I guess with the absence of those that sent me packing, I really have no problem with it as long as I am not putting any real effort or time into it.
I think, with what is going on today in the Church that there are so many good writers out there and reporters who are digging up new stories that my blogging is simply carping a bit from my viewpoint. That is why newsforcatholics.info is now simply giving links to most of my favorite reads for the day.
Good to hear from you though. I’ll look into your post in a moment. And my answer is that no, the pope is not Catholic and I’m not sure he is even the pope: have to let the Church of the future figure that one out.
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to see how low it has sunk, in order to know how much work God needs to do to restore it.
Why would the Almighty God need to restore his body the church. Does you god sleep and awake to find things have gone sour? Does your god have butter fingers?
My god doesn’t have butterfingers. He is the good shepherd who leadeth us to still waters and restoreth my soul. He doesn’t abandon us like your god does and allow wolves to creep in. Your Lord god the Pope is a Idyl shepherd.
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Correction…I think the bible uses the word Idol shepherd, not Idyl shepherd. This is prophesy. The catholic Lord God the Pope sits on top of a unending pile of idols….which the CCs temples are chock full of to the rafters.
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Bosco, you idiot. It has always been like this from the beginning: God does not fail us but we constantly fail Him. I guess you need to dust off your KJV and read it again.
Proof that the Church, its Traditions and its Teachings are alive is the outpouring of good Catholics around the world who battle constantly to revive the Church by running out the scum that has crept in. No doubt the people deserve what they get when they take God for granted (as you do) and ignore the obvious. But on an optimistic note it is good to see many good Catholics who are now putting on the armor of God and joining the fight. These battles have happened before and they will happen again. The powers of hell storm the City of God and the people rise up and restore it to its former glory. But you would know nothing of this. You would do well to keep you mouth closed if you are ignorant of such things.
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“Proof that the Church, its Traditions and its Teachings are alive is the “………current ever widening pervert scandal.
The church teachings are anti Christ. Sacrements are to dole out piecemeal gods grace. Gotta keep coming back for more. Man can pay for his own sins. Jesus sacrifice didn’t remove all sin. Perpetual adorations where someone at alltimes sits in front of the sun god symbol and worships it. The bible is a dead letter and not to be trusted. Don’t forget the economy of graven images. A rosary in one hand and a AK47 in the other. This is the ungodly armour your faithful catholics are armed with.
All the while Jesus is knocking at your door, but you wont invite him in.
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All the way back to OT thought we knew that we could fail God and that there was some purification that people must go through in order to reach heaven. How fast that happens in earthly time has no meaning really; since we are not eternal beings but aeviternal beings. Maybe you should understand that there are consequences for our sins even if Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient: we simply are not ready until we are tried by fire (God is a consuming fire) and it will hurt to have our imperfections burned away. Maybe you should contemplate the following for a while and you will start to understand that men (all men) sin. Some to eternal damnation and others to sins which God’s justice demands is paid. This is the point of Sheol (in Hebrew), Hades (in Greek) and in Purgatorium (in Latin). It is not a permanent state but a state of purification . . . it might take but a moment but we can’t speak of time after death in a true sense. So contemplate the following for a while:
PURGATORY
As Christ teaches about the importance of forgiveness, He gives the example of a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. He brought in a man who owed a great deal of money and forgave him the debt. The forgiven man in turn went out and met one of his fellow slaves, who owed him but a fraction of the amount, and demanded repayment. The just king summoned his slave back and said,
You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you? And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt (Mt. 18:32-34).
What was Jesus talking about? Scripture clearly teaches, There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom. 8:1). And yet Our Lord Himself gives the example of a man who had been forgiven, afterward acted unjustly, and finally was handed over to repay all that he owed.
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Again in St. Luke’s Gospel, Our Lord challenges His followers to make peace with one another, so that they will not be handed over to the magistrate who would throw them into prison: I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper (Lk. 12:59; cf. Mt. 5:26). Christ calls the believer, who has passed out of condemnation the sentence of hell to live a life of justice which will be exacted to the last cent. If this is not the case, then the teachings of Jesus make no sense. The Catholic teaching about purgatory is that if, at the end of a Christians earthly life, this debt of justice was not satisfied, he shall be purified in purgatory before entering heaven. The teachings of Christ did not seem to contradict this. But lack of contradiction is still a long way from proof.
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Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come (Mt. 12:31-32).
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For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble each mans work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any mans work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire (1 Cor. 3:11-15).
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But where is the word purgatory? I began to see that this question revealed an ignorance on my part. The Scriptures were written in Hebrew and Greek. Purgatory comes from the Latin word purgatorium. In Scripture, we do find references to an afterlife that is neither the hell of the damned nor heaven. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word sheol is used to describe this condition; in the New Testament, the Greek term is hades. I had always thought that hades was hell, but Scripture teaches very clearly that hades is not hell; it is distinct from gehenna, or the lake of fire which is the hell of the damned. In fact, the Book of Revelation describes how, at the end of time, death and hades are thrown into hell (gehenna). This is the second death, the lake of fire. Scripture teaches that at the end of time, there is no more death; and once the purification of all souls has taken place, there is no more need for hades. This same concept of sheol (in Hebrew), hades (in Greek), and purgatorium (in Latin) is purgatory as we have come to know it today (cf. Catechism, nos. 1030-32).
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Good brother scoop, the parables stand for themselves.The slave who was forgiven is a good one to look at. The first time I read that, even with the holy ghost on my shoulder, I didn’t understand how a man could pay a debt sitting in prison, The parable is about being forgiven and not forgiving others.
1cor 3;11 is another I don’t fully get. If a man suffers his house to burn and hes saved…im not sure any of us understand this. I have often, every time I read it, wonder at it. maybe someone knows for sure, but that someone isn’t me.Some things in scripture we aren’t to know yet. If you want to make a case for an after life purging place, you can try. One can always do the innuendo thing. But I know that salvation is in an instant. Its the blood of Christ that covers the saved. Itsnot a cleansing process. Its instant. God sees the righteousness of Christ on the saved. Thank god for that, because underneath the covering of his blood stands me, shivering, blind and naked. If a case is to be made for a purging place in the afterlife, the accounts of what happens when one dies has to be reckoned with. I cant find one instance of a second chance. The parables aren’t descriptions of what happens when we die. Jesus spoke of the rich man who went to hell and the poorman went to the bosom of Abraham, not heaven…heaven isn’t open for business rite now. There is an impassable gulf between the two. Plus, the good ol stand by, spoken by god himself…..man is appointed once to die and then the judgment. If anyone wants answers, let him ask of the Lord. Bosco is a fellow knucklehead and doesn’t know much. Ask him in prayer for the answers. Then wait.
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All you do, and have ever done, Bosco is carp and moan, chip away with your witless blunt tools, and bounce off any intelligent rebuttals people make to you
I resemble that remark
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Yes, you have about the same intelligence as a bag full of hammers.
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Wow, that much?
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https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2018/09/13/keep-up-the-pressure-the-truth-will-set-you-free/
Weird words coming from Bergoglio…but, this has been so for 5 years now. Mary don’t let him up…destroy him with the serpent.
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The thing is, with a top-down authority structure, it is very hard to do anything if wicked people are in all the critical positions of power. If you cannot force these people to resign, you can only offer passive resistance and hope that they will be arrested by secular authorities, which will hopefully cause the equivalent of by-elections to fill the vacancies created by their imprisonment. There is the option of walking out in the sense of going underground, but then you’d have to persuade faithful priests to do it, otherwise you will not have access to the sacraments. There is also the question of desecration of sacred space: if some of these extraordinary “Masses” had been held in the Temple, it would have needed to be ceremonially cleansed.
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You are correct, but pressure of the truth can be like a vice.
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option of walking out in the sense of going underground, but then you’d have to persuade faithful priests to do it, otherwise you will not have access to the sacraments
Heavens to Betsy, yes of course, by all means we need priests to give us access to god. Jesus spoke of little else.
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I’m just pointing out, as a non-Catholic, I don’t hold to a sacramental theology. I was speaking from their perspective, outlining the problems they would face if they held to their doctrines and wanted to distance themselves from the corruption.
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The money will dry up, of course, and there will be a lot of bad press coming out. These will be marked men who can’t go anywhere without negative remarks being made of them and they will not be held in any esteem . . . which is what a narcissist lives for. In other words, they will die from starvation from what they desire: attention, power and self-esteem. They will simply quit trying to get into seminaries and becoming part of the system. Humble men will replace them and more humble servants will be chosen as bishops to lead them. If that does not happen we will be stuck exactly where we are for a long time. I have hope that this movement we are seeing has real staying power and that we will see it to the end and not simply take a few victories and be satisfied with that.
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Good brother Nicholas, I was wondering why you said that because I know you aren’t catholic. So I just made a generic comment,not directed at anyone in particular. Just poking fun at the catholic reliance on costumes.
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In general, I think going back to the house church model would be a good thing. Being wrapped up in institutions has arguably hindered the work of the Gospel. What churches gain in prominence and accessibility they lose in power-trips, scandals, and bureaucracy.
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Right again good brother. If Christ be lifted up, all men will come. As the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness. But look at what is lifted up in the CC? Graven images up on their shoulders paraded down the streets to fanfaire. A Man they lift up that they call god…the Holy Father. And they wonder why its wicked from top to bottom.
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I think you are wrong Nicholas. An institution is precisely what Christ initiated. Institution(a society or organization founded for a religious, educational, social, or similar purpose.) seems to have for it’s end a ‘binding’ to religious concepts and truths which are handed down through educational and social means (especially in the family) to perpetuate the Teachings of Christ. Perhaps you have used the wrong wording here and mean to say that the ‘trappings’ or ‘structure’ as it has developed is in need of being looked at for weaknesses etc. But the overall structure is continued as it is the structure which was given the Church: Pope, Bishop, Priest, Deacon. Nothing wrong with that but something is wrong when we open the Church to the World and try to make of the world what it is not: a good work of man that is seeking truth. Their temporal truths are not the eternal Truths of God and that is what the Church is supposed to be protecting . . . and She will do so again, God willing if we do our job of monitoring and evaluating the present against the Eternal. Immorality should never be confused with morality . . . for that is simply insane . . . and seems to be part and parcel of the new world order (or disorder).
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it is a ‘hard thing to do’ but nobody ever said that being a good Christian was going to be easy. It is hard work; and work we must. We either sit about and watch our House collapse from neglect or we roll up our sleeves and work together with other good men and women to make the repairs necessary for those who come after us. It is not as if God will not bless those who fight the good fight. He has given His promise and He we would be foolish indeed to throw our hands up in the air as though evil has triumphed over the Good. It won’t as long as there are men and women of good will who are not afraid to stand up to the corruption of faith and doctrine. God bless them, for they are doing God’s work, with the Grace that God gives them.
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I suppose my argument is, if you can’t force them to resign, what exactly is the point? You can try to limit the infection by persuading as many people as possible not to be duped and you can try to attend at parishes that have orthodox priests – but effectively that just creates factions. Real house cleaning, where you get rid of the infection – cut it out, as it were – must be more forceful. They must be, as it were, defenestrated. I’m not sure how you can defenestrate anyone in the Catholic scenario. The only thing I can think of it to form protests like the left-wingers do, where you form human barriers to prevent bishops from getting into their offices etc. Is it possible for a lay Catholic to get an ecclesiastical court convened to defrock a corrupt clergyman? If it isn’t and the clergy all close ranks, then their house is left desolate and the judgment is upon them.
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My best guess as to how this will unfold is this: The civil authorities are going to get involved in the US and a number of other countries as well. When they all start going to jail and the sheep are looking for a shepherd, those left standing will more than likely (this depends on the Pope at the time) will pick shepherds that will feed the sheep and not try to kill them. It will be a long war and my guess is that in time Vatican II will be seen as the disaster it was and the new Mass will be a fading memory. I don’t see any true restoration without this happening.
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Okay – that is definitely a good response and, to a fair extent, answers my objection. My concern is about how much will be hushed up, how far the secular authorities will get and what unintended bad consequences will come. I am these days incurably cynical and untrusting. While this is a useful trait in some circumstances, it is also corrosive to my faith – both in humanity and in abstract things and thought processes. Having seen what humans are capable of, I have become unwilling to trust them with power in any form.
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You’re right to be somewhat cynical; we all are. We have seen that documents have been destroyed by the Church that incriminates certain individuals (Bergoglio being one of them). However, the Vigano’s of the Church are beginning to get a backbone and many of the good guys who are surrounded by wolves have copies of some very sensitive material which I think is going to start leaking out in time. Just look at the latest news about the 300 page dossier of BXVI which was given to Francis and never heard about since then??? Now it seems that some people have actually copied and sent this information to some newspapers and they are going to be releasing much of what has been kept hidden. I think that kind of thing will continue if we keep supporting the good guys and we give no credibility at all to the bad guys that we already know about. They will all simply be ignored and that will be their downfall.
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I’m not sure I want to be cured of cynicism – when we get too comfortable with the world, we lose our edge, we lose the perspective that the Kingdom will burn it away. This world does not get to endure indefinitely – our inheritance is the world to come.
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As long as optimism or pessimism doesn’t lead to presumption and despair then it is warranted. What distinguishes a Christian from a non-believer is the virtue of Hope which we should all have.
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Yes good brother Nicholas, you are 100% rite. Nothings going to happen. A leopard doesn’t change its spots. I enjoy seeing catholics claim that its being infiltrated by Satan. Poor catholics, the Devil has just now gotten around to attacking their pure and white church? Tisk tisk. Silly rabbits…it been this way from the beginning.Genocide, torture , theft, burnings at the stake, fighting to keep the bible out of peoples hands….but OH, just now the Devil is creeping in. I simply love catholics.
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A bunch of miserable human beings.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/abp.-bergoglio-protected-homosexual-bishop-in-argentina
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This means that the idea of the Catholic Church as the moral reference of the Catholic nation is very strongly put in doubt,” Mallimaci said. “It shows that a double standard exists within the church itself.” He said the incident and how it was handled also weakened the Church’s moral authority, especially when teaching on issues of sexuality.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/abp.-bergoglio-protected-homosexual-bishop-in-argentina
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Good to see Gareth. Yes, the site here has transitioned to bit of commentary and news reblogging as it doesn’t have quite as many participants anymore. However, I think even Bosco here surprised as the Catholics here aren’t making apologies for their leaders.
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Im not too surprised at this bunch of guys not defending their wicked clergy. I know these men and women to be of a higher standard than most average people.
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Ha haaaa. A couple of days ago the Holy Father said “No” to any investigations.Ha Haaaaaaaa
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