Today a short video to start the conversation:
Scoop has written much on this topic already, but I wish to turn our attention back to it because it is such a pressing problem and because it is topical: Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern’s tour of Australia and New Zealand has included talking about this important subject. Paul Joseph Watson also talks about it and he will continue to be influential as he campaigns for UKIP.
How can the Church promote a positive image of masculinity that will benefit congregants and society as a whole? One of the first steps is to return to the Old Testament and preach it in context. Too much preaching today is New Testament focussed. I know I will draw opprobrium from some quarters for saying this, but it needs to be said: it is shameful how illiterate parts of the Church are when it comes to the Old Testament. We need to stop the proud boasts of people who claim they only read the New as if that makes them wise. Without the context of the Old Testament, much of the New will not make sense.
So many of the heroes of the faith come from the Old Testament. The Epistle to the Hebrews tells us to look to them as role models. The people listed in that Epistle are men. That is not to say that women lack positive role models in Scripture – far from it – but we need to look at the stories of these men so that we can prepare boys to become positive contributors to society.
The stories of the Old Testament serve as important discussion points: they show us what to do (and what not to do) and they help us explore and deepen our understanding of essential virtues. Perseverance in the face of adversity is a common motif: Jeremiah had a long prophetic career in which he was verbally and physically abused; extra-scriptural tradition tells us that he was murdered. He serves as an important parallel and contrast to David: David suffered but eventually became king in glory; Jeremiah, on the other hand, was largely unappreciated in his time. Sometimes the glory does not come until after we’re dead.
Jesus, of course, is the greatest role model of all – but for some people He is intimidating. People feel that they could never be like Him. So perhaps the answer to this problem is to work our way up, to start with the flawed heroes of the Old Testament and learn how the Christ refines what they represent. When Christ shows us meekness, we need to understand that it is not weakness: it is strength under control. When we deny strength, we deny a fundamental part of the aspirations and character of men.
Yes, men who remain boys, never growing in the virtues needed to be a man are likely to be a problem not only to society but to themselves; they become self-absorbed and often rather disturbed psychologically.
It is why we stand in need of the 4 cardinal virtues that have been known since Plato’s day: prudence, courage, fortitude and justice. If a man cannot find a way to learn these at a young age, from their fathers or other admirable men in their lives, they continue to live unbridled lives which self-destruct and wreak havoc on a civil society.
We need to be taught more of the cardinal virtues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_virtues
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Speaking of the virtues which are not spoken of much anymore: here is a quick visual of what both men and women need to truly be men and women:
Women gravitate naturally toward the theological virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity.
Note that for both men and women is the need for Humility, the fundamental virtue that allows us to sacrifice all to rest on the bedrock of Christ. We are complimentary and any attempt to destroy these virtues, and of them, will bring the whole Spiritual Edifice crumbling down: for both men and women. I think this is what is sorely lacking in today’s societies.
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It would be nice to see a piece by you or Philip on virtues from a Catholic perspective with a dash of philosophy thrown in.
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I’ll see if I can come up with something; simple and yet vitally important in the development of the Spiritual Human Person.
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It might be interesting to see Phillips take; as he may have a different way of approach: historically and theologically.
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I tend to be Kantian in the way I approach virtues, with a bit of Aristotelian thinking on the idea that vices are really perversions of virtues – too much or not enough of X or X in the service of something bad,
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Hey good brother scoop, your diagram up there is flawed. Well flawed in the catholic sense. According to the CC, Peter is the Rock. You Semiramis worshipers cant get your lies straight.
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You seem not capable of understanding the difference between and apple and an orange. In one breath you speak of the hierarchy of the Church as set up by Christ Himself and then you confuse it with the Spiritual Edifice of every individual soul (both man and woman) to grow in their faith and progress toward sainthood and a true perfection of their very natures to that of Christ Himself; the True Bridegroom. You need to widen your thinking and remove the blinders that you wear. You are no racehorse that needs be protected from the distractions of the crowd. You need to keep your eye on the race, not the crowd.
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We have a long bit of thinking on these that in a simplified way tells us that no virtue stands alone. If one fails the others falter. It is why we had a pre-vatican II approach to look for our predominant fault (the one we are most commonly violating and seems to be the weakness that satan exploits). If we conquer out predominant fault and then go on to ‘perfect’ the opposing virtue, then all the other virtues are also gained; as they cannot stand alone.
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Not that you will understand or believe me, both of which yo wont, but I will state it for the record. When one is born again, its in an instant. At that instant, one becomes a saint. There is no gradual process. I can give my testimony, and I have heard many testimonies. And its clear that salvation is in a twinkling of the eye.
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I’ll see what I can do, I would probably start etymologically and move into Christian anthropological understanding of Christ as the obvious example of Masculine virtue/virtues in general. I would also take a look into the virtues mirrored with the 7 deadly sins or 8 evil thoughts and work within the framework of the a dialectic of a Catholic understanding of communio vs. Post-enlightenment libertine individualism.
Just to give you a taste.
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How long do think it will take you Phillip? Mine is getting rather long so I don’t want them to go up on the same day. It sounds like yours might also turn into a rather hefty piece. I think I can finish mine by tonight or tomorrow morning though I can’t be positive about that. Let me know and we schedule around one another.
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It’ll be awhile. I’ve been thinking I’ll give it a thorough treatment and I’ll post it all and if no one reads it cause of the length well so be it. But I’m think at least 3000-7000 range.
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I thought so. I have the same problem and it really needs to be read at one sitting and even then, I am going to leave out many of the virtues so that I can answer the main thrust as best as I can.
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What I may do is write one complete essay and then break it up if can be done. Of course, this allows more post for the blog obviously.
I do wish though some of the older voices were around the blog. I’d like to get their take to either grow the thesis or sure up weaknesses.
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We need to ask all our readers to Tweet the posts here to try to draw more people to the conversation or at least find us. Maybe some of the old crew would show up again, who knows?
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I have my piece scheduled for tomorrow morning. And my ‘dash’ of philosophy is mostly contained in a link that I have provided that was written by the wife of the great Catholic theologian and philosopher, Dietrich von Hildebrand. I hope you have time to read them both as both are rather long: as it is a rich subject and both only scratch the surface.
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Manly man, manly man.
If one takes a sober look at the gospels, there are almost asmany females who take part in the plan of salvation. I will venture to say that females have had the largest roles in the salvation drama. Just for starters…Ruth and Naomi. Not to be forgotten, the first evangelists were both females.
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That is why God in His Wisdom gave men a leading role as well. For the Church Herself is feminine in its expression, its nurture of souls and fecundity of creating Children of God. If you think a woman does not need a man to bring her to fullness then you need to get your head on straight. It is why men take the lead role in taking care of the Church just as a man takes care of His bride. He protects her and he loves her and he “fathers” souls to be children of the Bride of Christ, the Church.
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Yes, im forced to agree with you good brother. The man is the head of the woman. No buts. I have to dispute your claim that men have a leading role in the church. Of course I don’t believe the catholic church is gods church, as any casual observer would note. Of course in the CC women are slaves. But in gods church, his body, females have an equal part. A man betrayed Jesus. Good brother nPeter was a sniveling fool. Jonas and Baalim didn’t want to do what god said, because they were scared. Not one of the females who trusted god were scared and ran the other way. To be fair, Mary, the mother of Jesus didn’t believe her son was the messiah during his ministry. But no one holds that against her. She eventually got saved during pentacost.
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No, the Catholic Church give as much importance to women as they do men. You have listened to the foolish arguments of feminists and other liberals that think men and women should be the same; with the same attributes, same opportunities, same role in life, and complementarity of the sexes as well as the two becoming one body is not part of your understanding which is fundamental to Christianity itself and the ideal Christian family.
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And please show me in the Gospel where Mary didn’t believe her son was the messiah. I’m sure that is why she told the stewards to do what Christ told them to do in Cana. What did she think he was? A magician?
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I firmly believe Mary was moved by the holy ghost to tell the servers to do as Jesus said. To back upmy assertion that Mary wasn’t a foillower of jesus, Mary was never with him during his ministry. She was worried that he would get in trouble with the romans for going around town acting like he was god. She went to see Jesus when he was in town, but Jesus wouldn’t come out and see her. This flies in the face of catholic fables about how Jesus cant deny his mother anything. Theen, wehenee esome lady tried to glorify mary, Jesus corrected her and told her to worship god. Why didn’t jesus say to make a graven image of Mary and bow down to it? Ill tell you why….because its wrong.
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And where were the believing apostles, beside John, when Christ died upon the Cross? Where was Mary?
Show me where she was worried about Christ getting in trouble with the Romans? You haven’t read that in any Scripture.
Christ used His Mother to explain that all people have it within their power to become His children, brothers and sisters. It does not bring down Mary, it brings up everyone who has faith in Christ and lives according to His commandments. Did Mary live up to the Great Two Commandments of Christ? Did She ever violate the Ten Commandments? Did she love Christ above all else and did she love Her neighbors as Herself?
If you continue to lie about what Catholics teach and profess in regards to showing veneration for the Mother of God by equating it to worshipping idols I will start deleting your comments. You were doing just fine until you start down that old greasy slope that satan leaves you to do at every opportunity.
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95% of what the CC teaches is good food. the other 5% is poison. If you want to start deleting everything I write, I will be forced to go to the top authority here to fight you. Why are you so scared of the written word?
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What written word? The building of the Ark and the people falling on their face before it? Was that an idol too?
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The Almighty god resided on top of the Ark. That’s why they bowed befor it. You idolatrous catholics bow down befor any piece of wood and stone, not to forget bird poop on windshields.
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I cannot help the weakness of men who see things in clouds, on a burnt piece of toast or other things. Christ knew of them as well. They seek after signs. You should have a bit more empathy for them since you think that you received such a sign yourself though nobody else has seen it or the evidence for you having experienced it.
Yes and some of us actually, in remembrance of Christ’s ignominious death on the cross, will bow our head when we stand before a cross or when we are shown the Gospels . . . though they are merely natural things but we believe that God uses them for our spiritual uplifting and to increase our love of Him. You may ridicule God for giving us what we need but He is a loving father that speaks to us in all things which are virtuous and good . . . even the material things of this world. To give thanks and to acknowledge the Giver is a sign of love of God not a sign of idolatry.
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No one here is arguing that women aren’t important. The argument is that in many parts of the Church there is currently a failure to minister to men’s needs and to speak to the deep rifts in society caused by extreme feminism and other doctrines. I refer you to Scoop on the matter.
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This is an interesting subject. It requires a solid knowledge of scriptures, which disqualifies good brother scoop as a sorce of accurate information.
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I am no Biblical scholar, but if I mishandle the subject in a future post, I am sure that you, in your infallible wisdom of Scripture will straighten me out. You do seem to think that my understanding of Scripture is wrong only because it conforms with the teaching of the Catholic Church and it does not conform to you your personal understanding which has no consensus with others who hold such individualist views. So where is your support for your interpretations of the harder passages of the Bible? You have none . . . you have no authority other than the Bible itself. And when I read your explanations of Scripture, it is no wonder that the Church wanted to guard against such poor understanding of the teachings of Christ that you display. And if you can pervert the teachings, anybody can. It is why we need an authority that will keep the understandings pure and incorrupt.
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One of your authorities is in Austrailia facing multiple pedophilia charges.
I personally know Jesus, the creator of heaven and earth. That’s where I get my information.
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O really? What’s His favorite color and favorite food? Tell us about your many conversations with Him and what He revealed to you. You speak as though you were the only one to have receive Christ in their hearts. We have 2000 years of Christians who even gave their very lives for love of Him. I’ll believe you when you start speaking like a Christian or when you martyr yourself for love of Him.
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His favorite color is white…his favorite food is the prayers of saints.
You have 2000 yrs of murder and torture and theft .
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Mankind has millions of years of murder. If you think Christ mystically eliminated fallen men from sinning you are a bit fouled up in your thinking. Is it not sinners that repent that brings about the greatest joy in heaven or did the Gospels lie: Once he was dead (spiritually), but now he lives. That is the joy that Christ can give and yes, where do sinners go . . . where they can find help in reforming their lives so that they can become alive again and regain their human dignity as we are all made in the image and likeness of Christ.
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All of mankind doesn’t claim to be gods true infallable church guided by the holy ghost.
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You’re right. But since Christ only founded one Church for all of mankind it simply shows the ignorance or willful sinfulness of mankind to refuse His teachings and not want to be associated with the Bride of Christ who is one in body and mind with Her Spouse, Jesus Christ Who is Her Head. Yes, a wife must submit to her husband as the head of the family and the Church must submit to Her Head, Jesus Christ. Because of freewill I cannot force anyone to accept Christ anymore that I can force them to accept His Church as the Bride of Christ. And as a Supernatural Union between the two which makes it the Mystical Body of Christ still operative for eternity, you have a choice to be part of God’s plan or to exclude it from your life. We know your decision, Bosco, though we still pray for your conversion of heart.
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“So perhaps the answer to this problem is to work our way up, to start with the flawed heroes of the Old Testament and learn how the Christ refines what they represent.” Good suggestion, thank you.
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