Nothing is so foreign to the spirit of ecumenism as a false irenicism, in which the purity of Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded. __ Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio), Chapter II, Section 11
We seem to be living in an age of ‘false irenicism’ where we have witnessed the false peace between Catholicism and rival religions, ideologies like Communism, Marxism, Freemasonry and movements for a loosening of all moral constraints which have been catered to and even embraced by many Church leaders. Has nobody noticed that ‘Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded’? Is this the Spirit of Vatican II or the spirit of the world and of this corrupt age that we now try to live in?
Communism is praised by our Pope and the dictators of Communist regimes are embraced while traditional Catholics are maligned and removed from Vatican posts. Interfaith Communion is taking place without any retribution and the Pope has condoned Communion for those who are still living in a state of mortal sin. Homosexuals are courted like a political party might court a constituency while open borders are demanded at the expense of human life and livelihoods without any concern for existing law and its enforcement; laws that have been on the books for a very long time. Why now? Why so much political maneuvering from a Church that was founded to save souls not to open up national borders and preach man-made global warming? Is this the way to the peace of the Gospels?
The Pope and other global leaders now pay lip service to Islam and the God of the Muslims and declare that Mohammadism is a religion of peace. Really? Is this the same Church that has been fighting this false religion for over 1300 years? The same peoples that martyred many a good Catholic in the past? What has changed? Is it that they changed or that we have changed? And if we have changed what does that make of us but hypocrites who sacrificed our lives in the past to protect the traditions and teachings of the faith from corruption or outright abandonment and defeat?
False irenicism is all about us and we are drowning in it. Never before has Catholic doctrine suffered such loss. And does anyone care a wit about how clouded and obscure they have made of our genuine and certain meanings concerning the teachings of the Faith? They are indifferent because they have never learned the faith or they have utterly lost the faith in order that they might pursue politics and social activism. It is far more important for a Catholic in good standing to be politically correct than to be morally correct. It is better to pronounce that good is evil and evil is good than to confront the world on their journey to a temporal and worldly utopia of their own making. The age of globalism has arrived; the New World Order prevails.
Christ made it clear that the Gates of Hell would not prevail in the end but He never said that the Global elite might not prevail for a time. The Church and the world itself is under siege by the most malignant dictator of all which is satan himself; the worldly prince of this world, who already mortally wounded, fights like there may be no tomorrow. Perhaps we might recognize this last gasp of a dying tyrant for what it is and finish the job rather than attempt to appease him. For this serpent was a liar from the start and is the father of all lies and it appears at least that many are falling under his sway.
It is also worth noting the words written by Sr. Lucia, a seer at Fatima: ‘The final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan will be about Marriage and the Family.’ Don’t be afraid, she added, because whoever works for the sanctity of Marriage and the Family will always be fought against and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue. Then she concluded: ‘nevertheless, Our Lady has already crushed his head’.
Can anyone doubt that marriage and family are not in the crosshairs. If you do doubt this, one need only look to the preparations for the Family Youth Synod which are coming up: https://www.crisismagazine.com/2018/st-gallen-mafias-lgbt-youth-synod
The masks are coming off all around us and many are simply baffled that nobody sees what is plainly before their eyes: there is no peace between good and evil and what is being taught has developed from an ecumenism which has embraced ‘false irenicism’.
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Of what? Our patience?
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Good brother scoop,your praise of the CC has to be tempered with reality. Just today, the archbishop of austrailia was convicted of hiding pedophiles. Why would he protect them? Hes one of them. You talk about CC doctrine being watered down or what ever. Your satanic CC doctrine says Christs sacrifice wasn’t good enough. That men must pay for certain sins themselves, in some fire of some purgatory. May god damn the CC. Jesus was beaten to death for our sins and the CC says it wasn’t good enough. Enjoy your false religion and all the woes that come with it.
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I see nothing Christian or even salvageable in your praying for the damning of anyone. You are no more Christian than a rock which I might say is about the intelligence which you continually display.
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Good brother scoop, its not your fault the CC doesn’t honor Jesus death on the cross….but it is your fault for believing man can pay for his sins by mans suffering. That’s like sacrificing a lame dog as a scapegoat for our sins. It is my honest hope that all my friends in here come to salvation.Jesus stands at your door andknock. Why not let him in. Let go of theses religions. Once you let him in he will guide you in all things. No costumed holymen required.
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And so your Bible never speaks of penance. You are not a Christian . . . I don’t know what you are but I do have my suspicions.
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No,my bible doesn’t of penance. A contrite heart It does speak of. Doing good instead of doing bad it speaks of. But not doing things to please god. A contrite and humble spirit pleases god,more than all the gold Ufaz. I understand you Lord God the Pope Johnpaul II used to whip himself with a belt , to get closer to god. Closer means youre not with him. As a matter of fact, I sell Blessed Johnpaul II Penance Kits. Only $149.95 and you too can whip yourself rite into gods arms. US tax not included…void where prohibited.
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I told you that you weren’t Christian at all:
Leviticus 5:5
Let him do penance for his sin,
1 Kings 8:33
If thy people Israel shall fly before their enemies, (because they will sin against thee,) and doing penance, and confessing to thy name, shall come, and pray, and make supplications to thee in this house:
1 Kings 8:35
If heaven shall be shut up, and there shall be no rain, because of their sins, and they praying in this place, shall do penance to thy name, and shall be converted from their sins, by occasion of their afflictions:
1 Kings 8:47
Then if they do penance in their heart in the place of captivity, and being converted make supplication to thee in their captivity, saying: We have sinned, we have done unjustly, we have committed wickedness:
2 Chronicles 6:24
If thy people Israel be overcome by their enemies, (for they will sin against thee,) and being converted shall do penance, and call upon thy name, and pray to thee in this place,
2 Chronicles 6:37
And if they be converted in their heart in the land to which they were led captive, and do penance, and pray to thee in the land of their captivity, saying: We have sinned, we have done wickedly, we have dealt unjustly:
2 Chronicles 7:14
And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 33:12
And after that he was in distress he prayed to the Lord his God: and did penance exceedingly before the God of his fathers.
2 Chronicles 33:19
His prayer also, and his being heard, and all his sins, and contempt, and places wherein he built high places, and set up groves, and statues before he did penance, are written in the words of Hozai.
Job 21:2
Hear, I beseech you, my words, and do penance.
Job 24:23
God hath given him place for penance, and he abuseth it unto pride: but his eyes are upon his ways.
Job 42:6
Therefore I reprehend myself, and do penance in dust and ashes.
Job 42:10
The Lord also was turned at the penance of Job, when he prayed for his friends. And the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.
Sirach 2:22
Saying: If we do not penance, we shall fall into the hands of the Lord, and not into the hands of men.
Sirach 48:8
Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee.
Jeremiah 8:6
I attended, and hearkened; no man speaketh what is good, there is none that doth penance for his sin, saying: What have I done? They are all turned to their own course, as a horse rushing to the battle.
Jeremiah 31:19
For after thou didst convert me, I did penance: and after thou didst shew unto me, I struck my thigh: I am confounded and ashamed, because I have borne the reproach of my youth.
Lamentations 2:14
Nun. Thy prophets have seen false and foolish things for thee: and they have not laid open thy iniquity, to excite thee to penance: but they have seen for thee false revelations and banishments.
Ezekiel 18:21
But if the wicked do penance for all his sins which he hath committed, and keep all my commandments, and do judgment, and justice, living he shall live, and shall not die.
Ezekiel 18:30
Therefore will I judge every man according to his ways, O house of Israel, saith the Lord God. Be converted, and do penance for all your iniquities: and iniquity shall not be your ruin.
Ezekiel 33:14
And if I shall say to the wicked: Thou shalt surely die: and he do penance for his sin, and do judgment and justice,
Matthew 3:2
And saying: Do penance: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of penance.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you in the water unto penance, but he that shall come after me, is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear; he shall baptize you in the Holy Ghost and fire.
Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 11:20
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.
Matthew 11:21
Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 12:41
The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas. And behold a greater than Jonas here.
Mark 1:4
John was in the desert baptizing, and preaching the baptism of penance, unto remission of sins.
Mark 6:12
And going forth they preached that men should do penance:
Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about the Jordan, preaching the baptism of penance for the remission of sins;
Luke 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.
Luke 5:32
I came not to call the just, but sinners to penance.
Luke 10:13
Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida. For if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the mighty works that have been wrought in you, they would have done penance long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
Luke 11:32
The men of Ninive shall rise in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it; because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas; and behold more than Jonas here.
Luke 13:3
No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5
No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 15:7
I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.
Luke 15:10
So I say to you, there shall be joy before the angels of God upon one sinner doing penance.
Luke 16:30
But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves. If thy brother sin against thee, reprove him: and if he do penance, forgive him.
Luke 24:47
And that penance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 2:38
But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:22
Do penance therefore for this thy wickedness; and pray to God, that perhaps this thought of thy heart may be forgiven thee.
Acts 13:24
John first preaching, before his coming, the baptism of penance to all the people of Israel.
Acts 17:30
And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declareth unto men, that all should everywhere do penance.
Acts 19:4
Then Paul said: John baptized the people with the baptism of penance, saying: That they should believe in him who was to come after him, that is to say, in Jesus.
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to Jews and Gentiles penance towards God, and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 26:20
But to them first that are at Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and unto all the country of Judea, and to the Gentiles did I preach, that they should do penance, and turn to God, doing works worthy of penance.
Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness, and patience, and longsuffering? Knowest thou not, that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance?
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1.I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3.Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4.Honor your father and your mother.
5.You shall not kill.
6.You shall not commit adultery.
7.You shall not steal.
8.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9.You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten-commandments
Cant very well tell the kids that god doesn’t want us making images and bowing befor them. And you wonder why I have no sympathy for that catholic cult. God wrote that in stone with his own finger, and your religion wants to erase it. Good luck with your religion.
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Leviticus 5;5……And it shall be, when he shall be guilty in one of these things, that he shall confess that he hath sinned in that thing:
1 Kings 8;33……When thy people Israel be smitten down before the enemy, because they have sinned against thee, and shall turn again to thee, and confess thy name, and pray, and make supplication unto thee in this house:
1Kings 8;35…..When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them:
1 Kings 8 ;47……Yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captives, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness;
Luke 15;7…… say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Acts 19;4…..Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Good brother scoop, let me guess…..you got your passages from a bible, the same bible that removed the 2nd commandment. I want to thank you for taking timeto research all that for me.By the way,none of those passages have the word penance in them, at least not in the KJV. You catholic bible pushes a works religion. Mine preaches a contrite heart.
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Maybe you need a new Bible that was translated by a Jerome who was sought out from both the Hebrew Rabbis and the Greek translator of his days. Jerome still understood how these words were used at the time of the writing. But you will kling to your translation whether some 1100 years later they decided that they wanted to come up with a newer translation that was more in keeping with their hope that nothing need be done and that mans freewill is of not a gift by God to be used by men. Besides even your KJV connotes the idea at the very least of repentance: and that shows sorrow. Is sorrow sometimes shown by acts? Of course, remember sack and ashes and how God spared Ninevah. But you are incorrigible and there is little chance of changing the mind of one who thinks that his personal revelations take precedent over public revelation to the apostles and the Church.
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Good brother scoop, even a cursory reading of the bible would tell one that god doesn’t need our works. Salvation is a gift, not of works. The catholic meaning of penance is to do something, things that im not privy to all or most of them. I know about visiting shrines and graven images and working soup kitchens and that sort, and the favorite method employed by your Lord God the Pope Johnpaul II, flogging himself closer to god. The KJV makes much more sense when compared to the passages you put up. Im glad you put them up. It gives me more fuel for when I go to lambast the CC. It also helps me understand the works mentality of the catholic mind. It is no wonder that the CC tells its flock that they cannot understand scripture, which discourages them from opening a bible. What really scares the clergy is that a catholic might have in his or her possession a KJV. Upon reading this accurate bible, the faithful would notice that the CC is at complete odds with the word of god, which by the way, happens regularly. Satan does not want humans to hear the word of god. Its his job. Like I illustrated above, just in care an errant catholic does snoop thru the catholic bible, they wont see the prohibition against making and serving graven images, which is the mainstay of the CC. The Lord warned us of this evil one….seeking to change times and laws. This takes dead aim at the CC for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to sun worshippers day, and then removing the 2nd commandment. , at least from their own pitiful bib le. My bible is good and the devil cant touch it.
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Words matter in our current climate Scoop. When I discuss things with people, I make them define what they mean. For instance, I am in that new group discussion on Fr. Jacques Phillipe ‘s book Interior Freedom, one that should be read by more Catholics, and one person said, “God is Love.” I interjected, “What do you mean by love? Because, the example of God’s Love is sacrificial—I pointed to the crucifix—it is the opposite of a distortion of Exodus 3 “I AM.” The current modern theme “Love is Love” is nonsensical tautology because true love must be an outward expression of service. A love that is rendered on nothing more than pleasure and not on a full openness of oneself—which only man and woman could obtain being open to new life.
Most of what I said that night was met with silence. I was speaking authentic Catholic doctrine in a Catholic convent meeting room and it was shocking people.
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Good for you Phillip. You are exactly right.
I am outraged at the moment with the bishops and priests who are clamoring to the border with a ‘holier than thou’ message about the separation of children from immigrants. These very same bishops who organized this have been receiving 100’s of millions of dollars for the care of immigrants which shows a monetary bent to their ‘new found’ love of children. The same children that are separated from their parents by abusive priests and then paid off or fought in court by the powers in the Church. They are hypocrites and have lost the high moral ground that they like to imagine themselves in.
When they came up with the ‘norms’ on how to protect children in Dallas back in 2002, they mentioned nary a word about homosexuality in the priesthood and developed programs like VIRTUS to protect children from the parent/teachers of kids etc. It was an outrage. And the documents were signed by notorious homosexual bishops like Weakland, Ryan, Hubbard and McCarrick.
Instead of meeting on the border they need to start ratting out these pedophiles, pederasts and homosexuals within their own ranks. Love of children? Give me a break. We don’t love children by abusing them.
And once again it is the boys who suffer. Now more than ever because of children without a father figure they need mentors and priests to show them how to be a man who would sacrifice for the love of God and for their family. Boys have lost their means to emulating what it means to be a man and the Church is largely to blame.
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So far as I can see, They’re more interested in falsely accusing priests of homosexuality in one hand and then in the other promoting heretics like Martin—let’s call him what he is.
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Oh yes, if they make an accusation these days it is for show and they usually pick a man whom has been identified as a traditionalist. Its only when the actual heretics and apostates are literally caught with their pants down that they even admit or do anything about it. Both Cd. Dolan and Abp. Wuerl were aware of the victims that were already paid out for abuses connected to their buddy ‘uncle Teddy’. But let a traditional priest who was exonerated from all charges go back to work: never. It is a sham just like the persecution of Pell. Let those who hear, hear and those who see, see.
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What can we do? The laity seems powerless to stop the corruption.
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I’m having dinner with my wife, a deacon and his wife and my parish priest this Friday. I am going to push not only changes to the Mass and messages from the ambo but also establishing a class for post-Confirmation boys. Along the lines of the protestant movement “Promise Keepers” perhaps we can enlighten our boys on what real manhood consists and how being indifferent or by ignoring the teachings which produce principles to live by they are simply remaining children. Men must stand for something and be willing to die for a Good. And when they start confronting the Church and the priests who are not acting like men then they will act or speak out . . . without fear. Men keep their word and their vows and it is their bond. Real men will not sit idly by and simply swallow whatever sappy, lovey dovey crap that they are bombarded with everyday. We must demand and expect our priests to be real men and to exhibit it in their actions and their words and we will follow them to the end of the world when they do.
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I will keep hope. However, being a lowly voice, when I consider speaking out, I figure one voice will be ignored, I’ll be removed from leading discussion groups where I can at least introduce people to good material and from teaching kids during the school year. I’m at a loss on what to do but it feels as though I’m watching the house burn down, I have a small pail of water and as I look around me the rest are holding torches.
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You’re not the only one, believe me. I feel the same way. This really needs to permeate to the upper echelons of the Church and then they must act and not simply talk and write more tomes for publication to enhance their image. They need to start cleaning out the Augean stables and people like Fr. Martin should be removed from the Church on a rail covered with tar and feathers. They are an embarrassment and he is far from alone. It seems that perhaps more than half of our leaders are complicit in their silence if not actually part of the problem and scandal that they participate in.
There is a rosary across the country on Oct. 7th that needs to be pushed in every parish. Maybe we can get God to hear our prayers and get the intercession of Mary to change the hears and minds that have gone so far astray. Here is the information:
http://rosarycoasttocoast.com
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Good brother scoop, has it occurred to you that praying for a crime syndicate like the CC is futile? Your prayers are wasted when you pray to a female deity queen of heaven. Jesus stands at your door and knocks. He alone is savior, and there is none else. He alone treads the wine press of the fierceness of the wrath of almighty god.
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Prayer to God is only futile in your bozo world but not in the Christian tradition. God can and does change people’s lives. In fact, you claim it happened to you which is not apparent to anyone but you.
Your constant blaspheming of Mary (the mother of God) chosen by Him before time itself as the singular woman whose flesh would contain God Himself incarnated. You insult God much more than you insult me or the Church Christ founded. You might think of falling to your knees and asking forgiveness and living the rest of your life in acts of penance such as fasting and prayer.
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I like eating too much to fast, so ill have to do the penance. As a matter of fact, I happen to have a Johnpaul II Delux Penance Kit on hand. It has two black leather hoodies and two sets of nipple tassels and two sets of elbow length black leather gloves so as to have an assistant administer the flogging, ooops, I mean penance.
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