I think that if you look at the way the ‘updating’ as required by Vatican II proceeded it is rather instructional. Psychologists like Carl Rogers and Wm. Coulson got involved and almost single handedly destroyed the Jesuits and the nuns. Their ideas still permeate the Church and much of the world as well; especially in sex education. Priests and nuns do not seem to find any sin in following their own ‘lights’ of conscience and therefore sexual promiscuity is forgiven because, after all, they feel no guilt; so it can’t be evil. Please read the following interview between The Latin Mass and William Coulson that took place in the late 90’s.
https://www.ewtn.com/library/PRIESTS/COULSON.TXT
Now along with the ‘new psychology’ which took a thriving order of nuns from over 600 members and 6 functioning schools down to 0 schools and several dozen aging members is quite a feat for the science of psychology and satan. Please read the above interview as it is full of interesting things, many of which live on in our day despite Coulson’s efforts to undo all the damage he caused the Church.
Now, this new ‘I centered’ approach to examining ourselves seems to be only a stepping stone to Narcissism and, Ann Barnhardt is not wrong to dub it Diabolical Narcissism for that is what it is. For all love is extinguished in the souls of these people and they only care about satisfying their own cravings and getting away with whatever they can. They have no love for themselves either but they do relish being above the law and behaving as though they are above God Himself. They are cunning and they are good at manipulating others and destroying their enemies and/or creating other narcissists that are created in a psychological effort to escape the suffering caused by these unfeeling powerful individuals. So they lose their love as an escape from their misery. Read the latest Barnhardt post which explains alot about the problems of Diabolical Narcissists but also sheds light on our own Bergoglio and his actions.
Finally, I have taken a new post on 1P5 that illustrates how bad these things are institutionally. The story, which I will not ruin for you, is a case study in what was mentioned in the first link above by Coulson: the fact that many priests and nuns started thinking of themselves as bachelors and bachelorettes on the make, I think it explains a lot.
https://onepeterfive.com/report-austrian-bishop-has-girlfriends-while-churchs-leadership-is-silent/
Beyond this partial understanding of world culture and the new Church culture we are left with a sickening pit in our stomachs. How can this be fixed if we cannot find a way to drive these people from their posts of power and instill new good men into such positions? How do we get the seminaries to create such men when there are so few men to teach them? I have nothing more to add though I would be interested if someone had what they think might be a fix that might have a chance of working. I can’t think of one.
All Along the Watchtower 
People who worked in the diocese thought it “unbearable,” according to one source, to witness this “ménage a trois.”
https://onepeterfive.com/report-austrian-bishop-has-girlfriends-while-churchs-leadership-is-silent/
I gotta hand it to catholic priests…They know how to Paaaarrrrrtyyyyyy jack. Im jealous. I take back everything I said about catholic priests.
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I think you will have to restart Catholic schools by appealing to businessmen to found low cost schools to cater to the lower and middle classes. Get into that niche in the market. I don’t know what the regulations are like in the US, but in the UK you don’t need a teaching qualification to teach in the private sector (although you are unlikely to get hired without one). The danger of a lot of the teaching schools is in an unstated leftist bias in the rhetoric – so teachers are being brainwashed. You need Catholic schools that are willing to draw on talented people who are put off teaching because of the expense and effort of getting a qualification. Get them in and vet them properly. They won’t be brainwashed. That would be a start in the right direction.
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Yes, that might have worked and it might still work in very isolated areas. The problem is that we are at least 30 or 40 years too late I fear. The large corporations, who have swallowed whole the mom and pop businesses dominate and are the only benefactors with enough money to accomplish this feat anymore. And sadly they are ‘believers’ in the ‘new psychology’, run by narcissists who are using the progressive platform to further their power, wealth and prestige, and morally don’t care a wit about the working class. The embrace hedonistic anarchy and despise an ordered universe where people actually have a bond to one another on a human level that supersedes, race, religion, creed, or culture. They are globalist narcissistic plunderers and operate on the same principles that organized crime operate on. I fear that seeking their help is like asking satan to lend a hand.
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I take the point. It is a shame, because capital is needed for these projects. You’d need a large congregation willing to become shareholders the other way. Not impossible, but finding a large congregation of conservatives/liberals is not an easy task these days. I guess, you could try doing it via crowd sourcing. I know, if I had disposable income, that I would buy shares in a school company run by a Catholic I trusted.
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You put your finger on it, Nicholas. I think there are enough of the good guys out there if they could only get organized but we have become isolated from one another; a few in this town and few in the next etc. Short of a miracle I’m not sure how we make a dent much less overcome the present situation. Even the government supports and requires the demonic sex ed classes that ruin the souls of innocent children. And this doesn’t even answer the problem illustrated in my post about boys becoming men. I’m not sure that we have enough men to reinvigorate the production of men from boys anymore. Where do these role models and teachers come from? It is truly a crisis of epic proportion.
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I think, realistically, Catholics would have to consider working with Protestants and the Orthodox and finding a kind of joint statement that is sufficiently conservative for your purposes. As a Protestant, I would be happy to use a de minimis approach in running an interdenominational school. Not easy though, and obviously government requirements will be a problem.
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True enough, and actually in this country, most of our religious schools have an eclectic blend of protestants, catholics and even moral non believers in their ranks. But somehow we end up having to water down the gospel message to accommodate all of them at the same time. They end up with a better education and more discipline but as to matters of moral agreement between them I’m afraid we are back at the Coulson syndrome where we each ratify our own personal take on what is moral for me and not objective truth at all.
I am hoping you read that long interview as it spread throughout the western world and I can see it in every Western European country, businesses and schools and in the way parents educate their children . . . thinking that they are doing the best thing for them by following there guidance of the popular ideas of the old Rogers School of psychology. Even though it failed and they admitted it, the progressives have continued to push it throughout civilized society which is most of the reason whey civilized society is no longer civil at all.
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I remember watching a critique of psychiatry in during my MPhil. I don’t have a problem with neurology, but I am wary of psychology. I’ll have a little look now at the interview.
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Good. Keep you eyes open to the wider society thought their experiments were done on post Vatican Catholic religious orders. It is pervasive today in secular society.
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That would not surprise me. I think all conservatives can attest that the spread of cultural Marxism via psychiatrists, psychologists, and sociologists among others has made it impossible for us to have meaningful dialogue with outsiders because the metaphysical stability provided by a belief in objectivity has been hacked away. It’s like the Newspeak in 1984.
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It certainly is. It has to be one of the most deadly and stealthy attacks that satan ever devised.
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From what I’ve read so far, it looks like they attacked the confessional system and its underlying concepts of guilt, shame, honour, righteousness, virtue, and self-denial. We are all still reeling from that.
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Indeed. Keep reading as it gets more insidious as you see its far ranging effects.
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This will interest you. When I did a short teaching course a couple of years back, they taught us Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
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These pioneers into the inner workings of the mind, intuition, instincts (and subconscious) motivations as to what we truly need to be truly and authentically human have reverberated throughout society and as a musical note keeps dividing itself into smaller and smaller vibrations so different schools have emerged and we are no closer to getting something more useful than we had before Freud and his followers went down this path. Sure, there are some practical applications for specific problems that psychology or psychiatry can help ameliorate but as a whole a good spiritual director does these things almost without thinking by using spiritual good sense. And it seems we had far less neurotics and psychopaths when the religious were actually practicing the faith of old and visiting the spiritual advisors for their guidance.
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I wonder also whether some of this has actually exposed people to demonic influence. There are some interesting anecdotes about people’s experiences with drugs and meditation. It wouldn’t surprise me if some forms of “therapy” have similar effects.
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I think Coulson mentions that these sessions are still being used in both sex education and in drug clinics (which mostly do not work). So yes, it would not surprise me that when we are looking deep inside ourselves and ratifying our latent evil tendencies, ideas and lusts that satan is being approached and that the occult is raising its head. New ageism is certainly one aspect of what these therapies have evolved into.
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Although the New Age movement as a whole is dying out, I do believe it has left traces – infections, if you will – that continue to hurt us, long after its proponents have been ridiculed by mainstream society as dreamers. An interesting point of reference is the character of Luna Lovegood in Harry Potter. The tone of the book tells you that much of what she believes is rubbish; however, because her character is also shown positively at times, it leaves behind the idea that some elements of the New Age (or whatever wish washy thinking you insert behind the satire) is to be respected and adopted.
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Oh indeed, the progression of thought from new ageism to newer forms and sometimes back to earlier forms of paganism or satanism is happening all the time. I think that we are coming close to where we each hold to our personal religions, taboos, truths, desires etc. and so that there might be eventually as many religions as there are people.
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The one thing I do not understand about some thoughts on “conscience” being a guide is that most folks do not understand that a properly formed conscience must be a discerned conscience. It must be formed by Scripture, Tradition, Reason, Magisterium, time, etc. The problem with not feeling guilt is that it’s an emotional response and emotional a responses are that and not indicators of truth.
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Did you read the interview, Phillip? It speaks to the issue of conscience (provided we have one) and how this new psychology turned people into their own magisterium.
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Oh please, give me that ‘ole time religion’ = My Imperial Inner Self! As long as it’s authentic, not taught or learned, but comes from the deepest most reaches of my self, no one can condemn, ridicule, or judge. Oh, give me that ‘ole time religion!’
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And another must read! https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-university-encourages-child-sex-play-tells-parents-to-let-kids-w?utm_content=bufferb16ac&utm_medium=LSN%2Bbuffer&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=LSN
How did we ever get by without such great info?
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Beats me.
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I got through the interview. You know among the religious and conservative groups people are praising psychologist Jordan Peterson. In many ways, they’re saying in a sense, “ We finally have our intellectual.” But For some reason I’m naturally weary of him, I don’t trust him in sense; I am waiting for the bottom to fall out.
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I think a prudent skepticism is warranted in most cases . . . even when people say and do the right thing most times. The case of Fr. Corapi comes to mind. Psychology especially is a science that precludes that they have spent many hours pouring over failed psychological theories that have proved wrong in the end and then they come out on the perceived new paradigm that, of course, is right . . . until it isn’t . I appreciate his talks about how we have ruined our male children etc. but that seems to be a rather straight forward observation that doesn’t require a degree or any study of psychology. It is self apparent and seen all over. It is simply common sense.
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