It is ten years since the financial crisis of 2008 and, like many others in the conservative blogosphere, I find myself wondering if we have learnt any lessons from it. Given that the nations of the world have not re-instated the gold standard, ended the rule of the central banks, collapsed the Euro, or established 100%-reserve banking for deposit accounts, I am very much afraid that it is only a matter of time before another crisis hits. There are several concerning factors that lead me to this conclusion.
Firstly, there is the simple fact that some prominent figures, with individual reasoning of their own, believe that another crisis is coming.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/10/qa-is-another-financial-crisis-on-the-way/
http://uk.businessinsider.com/bank-of-england-governor-mervyn-king-another-crisis-is-certain-2016-2
Such figures do not usually make these statements lightly: their arguments and evidence ought to be considered.
Secondly, there is the argument from sustainable growth. If sustainable growth is possible only on the basis of savings, and not on the basis of unsupported credit, then an expansion of unsupported credit should be a cause of concern. As described in the post on the two primary types of banking, it is possible, though not ethical, to use deposit funds to support credit arrangements. When banks do this, they effectively create credit out of nothing, because the deposit funds cannot simultaneously be available for withdrawal by the depositor and be under the use of a third party borrower. When all of the depositors come at once to withdraw their funds, only to find that these funds have already been given to borrowers who have not yet repaid them, the bank collapses. When this happens across multiple banks at the same time, the banking sector as a whole is badly affected. When a country is heavily reliant on the banking sector to provide jobs and credit and handle transactions, the collapse of several banks becomes problematic for the country as a whole.
Thirdly, there is the problem of peak oil, which could be exacerbated by wars in the Middle East (e.g. an Iranian invasion of Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia). If we have passed the point of peak oil, allowing that demand stays the same (it, could of course, go up), the price of oil will increase dramatically. This will be worsened by increased costs involved in extracting harder to reach deposits. Oil is a crucial commodity for the world economy: although alternatives are being developed and slowly relied upon, we have not yet reached the point where we can cast oil aside. The period in which we find ourselves at the moment makes us vulnerable: a prolonged crisis similar to that of the 1970s would require individuals, businesses, and governments to change their behaviour.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-future-of-oil-supply-and-demand-2016-9
Finally, there is the overall trend in gold prices. Following the 2008 crisis, the price of gold went up markedly. People buy gold in crises because it holds its value well. They do this with several thoughts in mind. There is the hope that they will be able to use some of the stockpile to buy commodities and other resources in the event of a currency collapse. The rest is retained in order to open new bank accounts in the event of a bank collapse and/or to obtain new currency at a time when a stable national currency is reintroduced. Fearing a number of possible scenarios, a number of people invested in gold following the crisis, and it reached its peak in 2011. Since then, in the thought that we are gradually recovering, the price has come down – but it has not returned to 2008 levels. It may yet go down if we are genuinely on the road to recovery, but the fact that it has not suggests there are still lingering fears in the market. These are fuelled by the factors above and, in Europe, concerns that the root causes of the Euro crisis have not really been fixed. If there is a sustained upward trend in gold prices, that could be a bad sign.
https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/10year/ounces/USD/
This post is not meant to depress, and I stress that I am not a detailed prognosticator. I do not KNOW that a crash is coming, much less when and on what particular trigger, but I do honestly believe that one is not far off. Nevertheless, these factors should make us all think long and hard about the precarious state of Western economies and what we really value: the value that many of us place on liberty will make us willing to experience short-term hardship for the sake of preserving it. In my own case, I did not vote for Brexit in the belief that we would immediately become prosperous as a result of it – far from it. But I hoped that we might gain the liberty we needed to put ourselves back on a firm footing. Only time will tell if this or successive governments in the UK learn the lessons of the past.
Although you haven’t specifically spoken of the stock or bond markets, it is a large portion of the economies of this world. It is filled with problems that usually favors the rich and bankrupts the average citizen. Why we allow margin buying (same as an unsecured loan), shorting stocks, and this instantaneous computer trading is beyond me. To make matters worse, the richest people in the world sometimes own enough of a stock that they can actually manipulate the price of the stock by their trades. If they sell, the stock tanks and if they buy the stock soars. This allows them to sell their stocks high and rebuy when the stock gets undervalued. They end up doubling their wealth in some instances. It is rife with hucksters and needs to be cleaned up if they want the rest of the people to have confidence in buying into the stocks; which is a good thing since it makes one a part owner and subsidizes a companies research and development of new products.
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Branhardt would agree!
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Yeah, I think she is permanently out of the market due to all the corruption.
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Not to mention that the Crash of 29 was caused primarily by margin trading, which turned a bad situation catastrophic, especially for small investors. That an artificially slowed recovery (should sound familiar – c.f. 2008) really took a dive in 1933 is a matter of political interference.
Will this repeat, well I hope not, there is no Hitler around to bail us out this time.
For the rest, peak oil is pretty much discredited, as always by free enterprise – I know it’s hard for Nicholas to see it there, but as America takes the lead in production (from Russia) later this year, based on mostly fracking and horizontal drilling, it will happen. The price may increase, but only marginally. Europe’s (including the UK) unwillingness to attempt to find new oil is one of the causes of its near-fatal decline.
As to those links, maybe, but cui bono, what do these people stand to gain if they are correct? Or incorrect? I don’t know, but it’s important, they are not disinterested spectators.
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Indeed.
As to oil prices, I was talking to my wife yesterday as we both noticed the recent spike of gasoline at the pumps. My take is that high oil prices is the pain you must endure for the short run to get more oil out of the ground from wells that are more expensive to operate and from old wells that aren’t worth operating unless the price increases.
We saw the same thing happen when gold spiked a few years back. Mines that were previously closed started operating again. It has to be profitable to drill or mine or else we will really see a spike due to a shortage of both. Its still available but it costs far more to get out of the ground than it once did.
When I think of the value of the dollar and what it buys, gasoline still looks like a bargain. I could buy a nice house in the $60’s on the beach in Florida with swimming pool to boot and that same property is now selling for about $600K and the taxes are far more than the original mortgage. Bread used to cost about 25 cents and we are lucky to get a loaf at $2.50 today. Both have gone up about 10 times. So gas which sold at that time for about 45 cents a gallon should be selling for about $4.50 a gallon depending on supply and demand if things were equal. Sadly, the buying power of a buck has shrunk and the wages have not even come close (after taxes) to compensate for this inflation.
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Agree, and that is where I end up off the Trump train. More government spending (I exclude the military because we have been hollowing it out for at least a decade) is much of our problem, Gasoline has actually gotten cheaper, in real terms. And yes, there are some major costs involved, most of our infrastructure was designed to handle imported oil, and it costs to switch to domestic producers. Eventually it will sort out, I think at about this level, although I could be wrong as we begin exporting more, but we can substitute natural gas for much of what we use oil for, including transportation..
But one of the problems will again be the courts, there’s a judge in Montana who is trying to shut down the mines in the Powder River, which provided the coal for ~30% of our electricity, good low sulfur stuff – the knock effects will be serious, about 150 trains of the stuff pass through here everyday, split between the UP and BNSF. Buffet best get to work, or he’ll have a loser on his hands.
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Yes, thanks to the pipeline. Nothing wrong with coal if we use the modern scrubbers on the smoke stacks. It is cheap and we have gobs of it.
The other point I think we are all aware of is the regulations that have stopped new refineries from opening and the regulations for different blends due to seasons etc. The government needs to get out of the way. We can still produce more energy and at bargain prices. We can wean much of Europe off of OPEC which forces them to compete instead of banning together to blackmail the world.
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Yep, we are, and the pipelines themselves. Every dollar spent fighting this junk through the courts, and bureaucracy is going into our gas price.
Actually Europe is burning Russian gas, one of the factor’s in Syria is that KSA is trying to build a pipeline to Europe. KSA is in trouble, they are quickly going broke, which is a good share of the reason why MBS is trying to reform the place, and why he is the crown prince, as well, although not as quickly as Iran is, whose currency is essentially worthless. Still it’s never bad policy to take business from Russia. Sad part is that there is a lot of oil and ng under Britain and the North Sea just waiting to be drilled – but the watermelon’s are in control.
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That sounds right; they are the monkey wrench in the works. Yet they are misinforming the kids in school to think like do. Maybe a famine and complete collapse of their economy will wake a few folks up.
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Perhaps, one hopes that that will be enough.
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Indeed. I guess I could drill a well and raise chickens as well.
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Sure. part of my rationale is that many of our farms have backup generators, wells, and cows, and even windmills, and I’m a pretty fair electrician, and not too bad a shot.
Knowledge and skills are power they say – whoever they are. 🙂
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Yes it will be those who have maintained some amount of the pioneering spirit of this country who will ultimately preserve what is left of a dysfunctional society.
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And the least bad part is that the blue cities will starve while freezing in the dark.
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Nah, cannibalism will take over and they will kill and eat one another.
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Long pig – the other white meat! 🙂
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Well since they have lots of aborted babies and perhaps by then euthanized folks (the support the death of Alfie), they might come up with a type of soylent green to sustain then for a while. 🙂
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That’s likely so. 🙂
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I was just listening to the 10 o’clock British news, apparently the staff of Alder Hay hospital are whingeing about people protesting, somehow I just can’t find any sympathy for them.
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I know. This whole situation is shameful. They’ll starve that child to death before they ever make a decision to let another hospital have a crack at curing him.
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Or even feeding him, it seems The USCCB statement is good, BTW
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The Pope has offered to take him. It would be nice if the Pope made a DEMAND on the UK and forced the Government and The Queen to save face. Now, the culture of death is so afraid if he went to Italy that he’d recover…disgusting.
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I like the idea, backed by the Italian government as well. Earlier today the Italian embassy in London tweeted that if he dies without a respirator they will file a murder charge, of an Italian citizen. More power to their elbow. Truly despicable. I read there is a german medevac aircraft at the Liverpool airport waiting for him. Not much left but prayer, until he starves.
By the way the hospital
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Ain’t socialized medicine great? Not to mention their courts. I’ll have to look for the USCCB statement . . . haven’t seen it yet. Glad to hear they’ve finally said something good about something. I’m usually rather embarrassed by them.
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Yeah, we got lucky. I only read a few excerpts but it was from someone I trust. Well, this shouldn’t be a hard one, when the Pope and the traditionalists agree it should be easy. Another aside, I’ve never seen so many articles on one subject on US conservative websites as I have in the last two days. The Pope will be in my prayers tonight, as Alfie has been all this year. Maybe a few Brits will wake to the evil of the NHS, but probably not, it’s their religion after all.
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Yeah it sadly seems like you are right. And the bishops over there who backed the hospital and the judge just about made me vomit.
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Me as well, Bruvver Eccles, a few hours ago referred to the RC Bishop of Liverpool as Bishop Pontius Pilate, washing his hands of this troublesome child. I came off Twitter needed a quadruple scotch to make the red haze and shaking hands go away. This might be something for the English bishops both RC and CofE to consider:
Matthew 25:40-45 King James Version (KJV)
“40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.”
I wouldn’t want to be them on that day.
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Amen and amen my friend. It is a great scandal. I cannot find the story on the USCCB which makes me think it was a recent tweet that you can’t Google. The Pope also came to this very late in the game and never corrected his bishops or instructed them as he should have done. I am rather bummed out by the overall response to this atrocity.
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As am I. I wrote about it last August, but didn’t follow up well, until a British friend jogged my memory, around Christmas, and then it popped up again early this month. I’ll excuse him on this one, his plate is pretty full, some of it troubles of his own making, but that’s true for us all.
I’m just about at the point of writing off the UK, this stuff hasn’t happened since pagan Rome. Not sure they’re worth the effort. Hope I’m wrong, but that’s where I am.
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Indeed a letter was sent to the Queen (forgot the specifics that I read or even where I read it) which asked her directly when the UK accepted euthanasia. And as we know all we have gotten is crickets. And I have always thought highly of the Queen. But had she spoken out, would we be here now?
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Probably, and she’s constitutionally prohibited from interfering in politics. Euthanasia and murder, as well as infanticide are illegal in the UK, apparently unless you are the NHS.
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True. But would anyone have stopped the Queen from removing the child and walking out of the hospital and taking him to the awaiting Italian plane? The same goes, for the Pope. He has no ‘right’ to do this but what a spectacle and embarrassment either one of these would have caused and I can almost guarantee that the bad publicity and news coverage would have changed the outcome dramatically.
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Yep, it also crossed my mind, would this have happened if it was the Duke of Cambridge’s son. Some pigs are more equal.
I’ll say this, if it was my son, I’d spend the rest of my life in jail, if I was lucky. And likely so would some of my friends. The English really are better than this, but I fear their spines have been removed.
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I know what you mean. I expect to have basic rights over the care of my children and I would have done everything possible to bring every power to bear on the situation; and hopefully not go postal somewhere along the way . . . which I fear would have been a great temptation.
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That is one very brave young man, in my opinion. I don’t think I could have carried myself that well, especially at that age. I’d call him a hero, not to mention a very good man.
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Agreed.
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🙂
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Another thing we have to get out of the habit of doing is speaking about millionaires as if they are rich in today’s economy. Back in the 60’s again a millionaire had enough to live out the rest of their lives in relative comfort. Now $10 million is the equivalent. People with a million bucks are like those who retired with a $100 thousand dollars to their name. We have to stop thinking in terms of illusory money value that simply a holdover from times long past.
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Yep! That’s the reason I never play Powerball when its under a hundred million – that might be enough cushion, otherwise I’d likely end up even broker than I am now. 🙂
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I know. I am seriously thinking of using a good portion of my money to invest in essential tangibles; water, food, ammo and firearms. I keep about 25 gallons of water on hand at all times but at the verge of quadrupling that surplus and getting a full years worth of survival food to allow me time to cultivate some heritage seeds to fill in the gaps . . . nobody knows how long a collapse in an economy might continue and I am sure there will be plenty of bad guys looking to take whatever they can get from those who have something.
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The people of the world, the oil using people, are being fooled. We have been told the iol is 150 million yrs old that came from animals and plants. Drillers call some crude fresh. Fresh? 150 million yrs? Crude would be dry and hard by now. What the oil companies don’t want to tell you is that the wells fill back up in about 8 to 10 yrs. Iol is produced by high pressure on hydrocarbons down in the earth, not dead dinos. Now, the readers of this probably don’t believe this. Im not going to put up any links. You can search yourself. Search…oil wells refill ….or something like that. Word has leaked out just like all things do. I just learned that our dearly departed Barbara Bush is the daughter of Alistair Crowley. She was brought up in the world of the occult and demonism. Awhile ago, I did a post about child sacrifice by those in power..royal family not excluded, which I caught hell for. I stand by everything I said. Its even worster than I thought. One can go back and find it. But don’t be fooled anymore about oil shortages or the need to drill more holes. Oil use is going up but the reason for more drilling is to give jobs for drillers and excuses for oil companies to charge more. Have a nice day.
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Well, that’s interesting, although I don’t have enough for a post on it, and I would inevitably slide into invective, but Cranach reports as confirmed.
“Google has banned remarketing ads from Concordia Publishing House, the publishing company of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, because they mention “Jesus” and the “Bible.””.
Time to pay attention.
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Hey, Nicholas, I’d like to say I’m sorry that we hijacked your thread, but I’m not really. It’s a good topic, but our minds are all in that Liverpool hospital.
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No it’s fine. Alfie is more important: while you’re praying, pray for God to provide us with a Parliament that will repeal the evil laws that allowed this to happen – the courts would have no power unless Parliament gave it to them.
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