It was well-known that Newman had lively doubts about the wisdom of pronouncing on Papal Infallibility, so there was some surprise when, in his response to Gladstone’s critique, he did just that.
Newman’s defence of Infallibility deserves to be read in full, as it remains one of the best I know. That those who were making extreme claims for the dogma were as dissatisfied with it as those who disliked it; but as time has shown, Newman had it about right.
Gladstone had claimed that since the Pope was infallible in matters concerning faith and morals, and since there was no area of life which did not involve at least one of these, he was, in practice, able to command the civic and public allegiance of his subjects: ‘therefore Catholics are moral and metal slaves, and every convert and member of the Pope’s Church places his loyalty and civic duty at the mercy of another.’[iv] Far from shying away from the duty of obedience to those set in ecclesiastical authority, Newman, in the best Protestant style, cited the relevant passage from St. Paul (Hebrews 13: 17) enjoining submission to those placed in positions of authority and challenged Gladstone directly: ‘Is there any liberalistic reading of this Scripture passage?’[v] Catholics held that the Pope was the successor of St. Peter; that being so the obedience paid to him was only that demanded by Holy Scripture itself – and Newman denied utterly that obedience to that authority amounted to ‘slavery’. He drew an analogy between divine and human law. The Law, he argued, was ‘supreme’ and those under it were bound to follow its direction, but no one would claim it ‘interferes either with our comfort or our conscience.’ Newman attempted to correct the English obsession with the power of the Pope. Catholic consciences, like those of any Christian, were regulated by an ancient system of moral theology deriving from sources common to all: the Ten Commandments; the Pauline injunctions of Faith, Hope and Charity; and the practices of fasting, sabbatarianism and tithing; the Pope had little, if anything, to do with these matters. The Pope’s jurisdiction lay in matters ecclesiastical, not in civil affairs; Gladstone’s evident confusion of the two was, Newman commented wryly, the origin of his alarm.
Nor did Newman shy away from Gladstone’s attempt to link Infallibility and the Syllabus. He denied that any of the Pope’s words could be construed as releasing subjects from their allegiance to the State, or as condemning either freedom of the press or of conscience. Failing to anticipate where arguments for the latter would lead, Newman asserted that that no one would say that everything should be published, or that people had the right to unrestricted liberty; every State provided, in its laws, for limits to these things; it was the abuse of such liberty, not the liberties themselves, which the Pope condemned. It was the ‘liberty of self-will’ which was being anathematised, not liberty per se. The Syllabus was, Newman reminded Gladstone, a collection of propositions already condemned in the writings of previous Popes; it had been sent by Pius IX to his bishops, and could only be properly understood in that context; it contained no new matter by the Pope. None of this justified Gladstone’s equating the Syllabus with ex cathedra pronouncements of the Holy See: ‘Utterances which must be received as coming from an Infallible Voice, are not made every day, indeed they are very rare; and those which are by some persons affirmed or assumed to be such, do not always turn out what they are said to be.’ Patience was the ‘sine qua non’ when it came to the interpretation of documents emanating from Rome. It was quite untenable, in Newman’s view, to attribute Infallibility to the Syllabus; from this came all Gladstone’s errors.
Newman’s words are as wise and relevant now as they were then, treading a line between the claims of the Ultramontanes and the liberals. Understood aright, Infallibility is the guard against Christ’s Church teaching error; no more, no less.
So, if the Holy Father is so moral and everything else you claim, how come he hasn’t done one single thing to oust the gay cabal in his own house?
You know I get the newsletter from Catholicism for the Purely Simple. A couple of day ago there was a post about this question. the conclusion was that the lavender cabal runs the catholic church. Pell, one of the top men is getting whats coming to him in austrailia for being a homosexual pedophile. But good ol cathilcs, I wont mention any names, say that hes innocent til proven guilty. Legally yes. I could name every priest or cardinal or who ever who walks into the Vatican and the faithful will say that they aren’t gay. ” No, its not that one….no, its not that one either”
You know, im just as guilty of the sin of homosexuality as the next man. if one has broken any commandment, one has broken all of them. What faithful catholics need to see is that their leaders are men, not gods. There is no salvation in following them or their graven images.
if all these musings about how pure and holy the catholic church is and all their holymen are so wonderful and moral, how come the whole church is nothing but a homosexual fraternity? I guess writing posts about how godly the CC is is all you’ve got. Because the reality is horrendous.
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I think you might find that ‘innocent until proven guilty is the basis of our Western system of justice. Not as good as the Bosco system – if you read it on line it’s true, but there we are.
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Gotta love you good brother , never say “die” Faithful to “Das Bittern Ende”
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There’s thing called justice, do look it up.
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There is justice and there is hiding from justice, like the Cc moving around criminal priests to keep them from justice. if you love justice so much, what are you doing being a member of the CC?
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….But when the faithful voice a desire requesting to admit it as a public belief, the Church must verify this truth and declare it….The source of all graces is God. Everything begins in God. But the graces given to human beings are not given directly from God but through Mary
There are graces which Our Lady wants to give us but will not be able to until the Church infallibly defines her as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. What better time to do so than the present hour when the Church finds herself under vicious attack and the demonic tyranny of a sodomites cabal?
https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2017/07/20/the-sodomite-cabal-in-the-vatican-must-be-obliterated-and-scattered-to-the-winds/
Yes, there is hope for all this trouble……..Mary is going to save you.
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Do learn to read old thing. God uses Mary as a channel – the graces come from him. When you learn to read, you will discover these things.
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I happen to have met the Lord. And there is no Mary. I don’t have to read anything.
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So you say, but there is absolutely zero supporting evidence.
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I can write tons of fictional accounts of some queen of heaven, like the CC has done. Anyone can do that. The unsaved will believe anything. I outta know.
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The CC hasn’t infallibly declaired Mary a co redeemer yet? Whats the Holy Father waiting for…an ingraved invitation?
Mary herself said that she cant do everything shes supposed to do until the Holy Father declairs it openly. No more beating around the bush with innuendos.
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C, off topic, but here is an article about London’s mayor, Sadiq Khan. Thought you may have some interest.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/31/sadiq-khan-takes-on-brexit-and-terror
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Hey, I just heard that Father Paul Shanley is getting let out of prison. They say hes one of the nastiest pedophiles in the CC, but I seriously doubt that. Oh and the number three man at the vaticanus Hill is facing his day in court also. This is becoming monotomus.
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Posting and discussion seems to have died down. So, let’s rev it up with these!
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2017/final-word-fr-martin
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Good. The last thing we need is wack jobs in our military.
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