When Christians say they are ‘saved’, what do they mean? Let us begin, as we should, with what Our Lord says. To be saved, we must believe:
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Jesus goes on to say: “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life”. So, as simple as that. If we have faith, we are saved. But Jesus does not stop there. One problem with the way we read the Gospel is that it tends to be in chunks, when, if you have ever seen early codices, you will see it was meant to be read in its entirety; chapters and verses are relatively novel; designed to help us, our fallen nature so often ensures it does no such thing.
Jesus told those who followed him asking for more bread: “For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world”, to which “They said to Him, ‘Lord, give us this bread always’”. To clear up any doubt, Jesus told them: “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” We are told, now, by some, that this is a sort of metaphor, that all food gives us life, or some other explanation, but Jesus is clear. Indeed, he was so clear that the Jews listening were shocked. How could the son of Joseph be the ‘bread’ come down from heaven, and how could a man give them his flesh and blood to drink?
This was the perfect opportunity for Jesus to reassure them that he was not speaking literally. Why should they have thought he was? In verses 54-58 Jesus uses the word ‘trogo’. This is a word found only five times in the New Testament, and these are four of those times. It means ‘to chew’ or to ‘gnaw’, and in Greek is often used to describe the feeding habits of cattle and pigs. Up to this point in the Gospel, Jesus had been using the more usual word, ‘esthio’ (verses 49-53 all use it), so in changing the word he uses, Jesus is emphasising the literal nature of what he was saying; that was why the Jews took fright. He was telling them that to be saved we must eat his body and his blood – the connotations of cannibalism and of non-kosher food horrified his listeners – as he knew it would. He had ample opportunity to reassure them he was not talking literally. Indeed, as some left him, he had every reason to do so. He could quite easily have stopped many leaving him, but he did not do so.
He asked the Apostles if they wished to go; they did not, even thought they did not understand. It was only when they came to the Last Supper that they understood. That is why from the beginning. Christians have met to worship and to consume his body and his blood. St Paul passed this on to the Corinthians, as he had received it from the Apostles. Paul is clear about the literal nature of what was passed on to him, as he tells the Corinthians:
For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
Jesus told us “Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life”. So, yes, we must believe in Him as Lord, but we must also partake of His body and His blood. Dos that mean there is no other way to be saved? God alone decides who will be saved, and anyone who pronounces on that issue takes upon him or herself the power of God – and I suspect God will not be mocked in that way, He is a merciful and compassionate God, who alone knows the devices and desires of our hearts, and who, alone, can read what is written there. He is the only Just Judge, and we can leave such questions to Him. Our part is to serve obediently where we feel we have been called.
Jesus told them: “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”
Im surprised and glad that you mentioned this.
When Christians say they are ‘saved’, what do they mean?
You will never know until you are born again from above.
The religious have no idea what it is to know Jesus personally. So, they substitute rituals for a relation. Well, to be more exact, their religion offers substitutes for the real thing.
Line up and get some of God. No cutting in line please.
Heres your God…open wide..say AAAHHHHHH. Now youre saved, uh, but it wears off, so see you next week…remember to bring your dimes.
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I have asked you many times to cite me one example from Scripture which reads like this, you have conspicuously failed to show that Scripture is the source for this man-made account of yours.
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One will never know Jesus if one never meets him. Ive said it umpteen times….Behold , I stand at the door and knock.If any one hear my voice and open, I will come in and sup with him and he with me.
To sit down and sup with someone is very personal and you get to know each other.
The reason people are sent to hell is that Jesus never knew you. Not because one didn’t eat enough Isis horus and Seth crackers or the virgin queen has butterfingers. It because He never knew you. Would you like me to quote that also?
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Yes, we have all heard you say it, I didn’t ask that. I asked you to show us from the NT anyone experiencing what you just described.
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The upper room at pentacost. The followers received power from on high. Its not a joke…being born again is real.
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Not one of them sound like you. You never talked about seeing tongues of flame.
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I never have seen tongues of flames. Good brother peter, afyer receiving the holy ghost stood up and laid it out flat to the unbelieving people standing around. Im sure they thought the same about Peter as you guys think about me.
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No, because Peter spoke with a voice that converted thousands, alas, you do not
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How many have you led to Diana, ooops, I mean Mary?
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Mary has led many to her son.
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By the way….ill bet money that the average cathol thinks that at least the Holy Father is saved, if no one else. For Christs sake, the head of the Church that Christ founded should be born again. Wouldn’t you think so?
POPE FRANCIS, who pledged a policy of “zero tolerance” for sexually abusive clergy in the Catholic Church, has turned out to be all too tolerant.
Australian police brought criminal charges against Cardinal George Pell, a top Vatican official
The charges against Cardinal Pell, the Vatican’s finance chief and the pope’s hand-picked agent of administrative reform, shook the Holy See, notwithstanding long-standing allegations that he ignored, dismissed and excused cases of sexual misconduct during his pre-Vatican years as a priest and church official in Australia. That included the crimes of a notorious pedophile priest with whom Cardinal Pell shared a house for two years in the 1970s.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/pope-franciss-toleration-of-sexually-abusive-clergy-leaves-a-stain/2017/07/02/6245787c-5d13-11e7-9b7d-14576dc0f39d_story.html
Lets take a vote….is the Holy Father saved?
Yes
No
I vote no freakin way
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Again, in my country and Australia, a man being charged is not the same as a man being found guilty. But that great beam of anti-Catholic prejudice gets in the way of you seeing straight.
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Its not surprising you blame this on me. I haven’t been to the Vaticanus Haunted House in decades. Why don’t you call the Austrailian police and tell them that good brother Pell is innocent because Bosco has a beam in his eye.
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I merely said a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Is that a contested concept for you?
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I have a degree in pre law. Actually, technically, its called poli sci.
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In which case why strain so hard over the issue?
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Because its at the heart of catholic salvation. If the top clergy aren’t saved, where does salvation inter into the picture?
You point to some devilish leader of one of the calvary chapels, who clearly isn’t saved. But at least they preach being born again, and people do get saved despite the devilish head pastor. Am I justifying him? heck no. Big money corrupts big time. These big churches always have greed in the center.
I think this is what we have in common…..corrupt church leaders.
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I don’t know which God you worship, but the real one does not have a hierarchy of ‘saved’ – why on earth should ‘top clergy’ all be saved? What an odd fellow you are, to be sure
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If your leaders are wicked, what chance does the devotee have of being saved?
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Where does one go to find saved people?
jesus said that the saved come and go and no one knows where they came from or where they went.
the saved don’t have a headquarters or a jail or a drug money laundering bank or drug running diplomatic immunity.
The cathols tell me the Vaticanus House on haunted Hill is the center of salvation.
Heres what we see……avarice, unbounded greed and luxurious living, pedophilia, homosexuals, drug runners, conspiracy to hide criminals and in the center, the Bulls Eye, is the Holy Father.
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Oddly enough Jesus set up a Church, why not join it and find out?
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For the reason above. I cant go somewhere and pretend to have god handed to me in a cracker when I already know him. I rarely go to calvary chapel. I cant join a religion where people bow themselves befor the works of their hands. I hope you understand my position.
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Fine, but you may well be worshipping yourself by mistake. No church, no chapel, just you – can you show me in the NT where God says it is going to be like that? Everyone in the NT joins a church, you should be Biblical and do the same
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Read the letter of James, Chapter One, verses 22-23, and Chapter Two, verses 14-26. Faith by itself is not sufficient. Works and moral living are important.
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I love how you mentioned the Greek “trogo” or “trogon”. I mentioned it in my article on the Eucharist, in my commentary on John 6. Christ used the literal word for chewing to express His literal teaching.
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