It is the way of the world that not all who find themselves called to Jesus stay with Him; it was so in his earthly ministry. One of the problems with the idea that the spirit enters you and gives you unique insights to the truth of Jesus is that it is so often clearly not true. So, Bosco quizzed about what Jesus says in John 6:51-66 about eating his body and drinking his blood, tells us blithely:
Do this in rememberance of me as oft as ye do this.
The bread wasnt human tissue that Jesus handed out. No, the catholic idea that the wafer is actually gods body isnt true. The euchrist is that golden sun symbol, correct?
Now catholic communion is fine. Anyones communion is fine. It remembers the Lords body was broken for us.
The catholic teaching that eating Jesus flesh and blood will save you is just a gimmick. catholics pay good money to be told they are going to heaven and by gosh by golly, the CC is going to serve it up.
It is not, of course, just Catholic teaching, and there is no money involved. If Jesus had meant what Bosco says He meant, then no disciples would have left Him; indeed, all Jesus needed to have said to have stopped these men turning from Him and Eternal Life, was to say what Bosco says here:
Heres how I see things. Youre very correct good brother, Jesus Words are the bread of Life. By believing his words we are eating his flesh and blood. One can conside any food Jesus body, because the earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof. So, theres no harm in saying the catholic wafer is his body.
This is where Bosco is right in saying that the NT is not properly read by those outside the Church, because his own reading is that of one who knows what Jesus said better than Jesus. Let us see what Jesus says.
The word translated as ‘eat’ in John 6:54 is ‘trogo’, a verb meaning to ‘chew’ or ‘gnaw’. It is used five times (verses 54,56,57,58) in John’s Gospel and only once elsewhere. It was usually used to describe the mastication of cows or mules. The word John uses most commonly for ‘eat’ is the Greek verb ‘esthio’ (John 6, 49,50,51,53). So why the change in vocabulary? Why use the word’ gnaw’ or ‘chew’? Because Jesus is adding a layer of meaning to the word ‘eat’, one which his hearers pick up – which is why they go away. Flesh is to be broken, blood is to be spilled. This is not, as Bosco says, that anything can be considered Jesus’ body and blood, had that been the case why would the Jewish disciples have left? No, it is HIs body and His blood which we have to eat. Jesus is not, here, talking only of ‘belief in’ Him, He is talking of the one who ‘gnaws/chews’ him – ‘ho trogon me ‘.
It was this, to the Jews, repulsive notion, involving overtones of cannibalism, which drove so many away. Jesus asked Peter if he and the others wished to go, but they, although not understanding, trusted and had faith.
When Jesus talked about eating Hm, He meant it, and if Bosco and others wish to call Him out and say He meant something else, they can take take it up with Him – and St John. If we do not eat and drink of His body and blood, then we are with those first disciples, walking away from the one who has the word of life.
And the walking away is from eternal life.
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The woman who rides a beast holds a golden cup in her hand, full of the blood of martyrs.
A woman is a religion.A beast is a government.
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Says your new spirit – which seems rather addicted to lying.
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Now its obvious you are a bot.
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Can you offer some justification for your personal, man-made opinion?
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You cant be serious.
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In which case that should be an easy one to answer.
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Justification? From Bosco? He’s never had any before, why would he now? He’s the prime example of what happens when we replace God with oneself.
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Im ashamed for both of you guys.
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If you only knew how ignorant you are Bosco, you’d die of shame.
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Im surprised good brother Neo didn’t answer the question. Please brother neo, tell me you can explain that to good brother Chalcedon. I refuse to believe either of you don’t know this. its not possible.
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It is perfectly possible, never heard such rot. So, give us the justification Bosco
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That Beast was a major pagan empire, since its symbolism combined animal elements from four other major pagan empires
The Woman is rich, for she is “bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup.” (5) She has committed some kind of fornication, which in Scripture is often a symbol of false religion
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So, it is not about ‘religion’ but ‘false religion’? You can’t even tell the truth about your own made up stories.
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Havent you heard….all religions are false. You, yourself believe all religions are false but your beloved religion. Don’t look now, your religion is the biggest and nastiest of ALL the false religions. Do you still think I made that stuff up?
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No, you copied it from someone else who made it up
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Ive got a surprise for you. Do you like surprises?
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The surprise would be you’d read a book
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She is a central cause of “abominations” in the land, abominations being a reference to practices, especially religious practices, that are offensive to God.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-whore-of-babylon
This is where I got that made up ROT as you call it. I have half a mind to contact the editor and tell them what you said about their official church apologetics. A friend of mine is one of the editors. No matter what I say, you call it rot. he he he he. This time I got you in your own web. Ha haaaaa(;-D
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Surely not even you can be that stupid? The article quotes the lines you quote to refute them as lies. Your spirit is so addicated to lying it cannot know the truth – thanks for the laugh, Bosco.
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Catholic.com is where I cut and pasted this from. You just called catholic apologetics made up. Are you starting to feel surprised yet?
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No, as you cite the legend which it calls a lie as though it was truth. From any other human being I’d be shocked, but since we know you cannot read, no shock there; and since your new spirit is a liar, no surprise there either.
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Not exactly sure what this has to do with the ancient Christian belief in the Eucharist…
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Eating His flesh and drinking His blood mean believing his words. His Word truly is the Bread of Life. Remembering His crucifixion by breaking bread is just that…remembering Him. Some religions think eating a piece of bread somehow saves you, or does something, something they are never clear about. Since they have no desire to get born again, their only option is to do something….in this case, eat a wafer. Get back in the car and drive home. Do it again next week. The saved wears off and must be wound up again.
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You don’t believe a dang word Jesus said. He said it is my body and blood, and many of his followers left him. If he’d meant what you say he meant, why’d they leave? No idea, have you?
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Ok, so its his body and blood. Great. One still needs to get born again by asking Jesus to reveal himself. One can eat wafers all ones waking moments and still wake up in hell. Are you with me there good brother?
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If you do not know it is his body and blood then you will wake up in hell
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Well, everyone at the service is told its his body and blood. Everyone know this. I understand that it is a recent development that the laity are given the bread and wine in catholic services. Just the priest got to eat and drink befor. Am I correct on this?
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No. The bread and wine were given from the start, then from the Middle Ages the bread alive.
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Can you restate that good brother.
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Best laugh ever – you quote something that the article you cite says is a lie, and you cite it as the truth. Can you actually read? Ha!
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The article puts that forward as being the standard idea. Because its a cathol site, in the end, it draws you away from that to try and clear the CC of being the woman on the beast. The fancy footwork only works on devotees to Mary.
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In other words, you lied. You quoted the legend and not the answer to it. The lyin’ spirit is strong in this one, Obi Wan.
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Bosco said “Eating His flesh and drinking His blood mean believing his words.”
Jesus said, “This is the bread that comes down from heaven so that anyone may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.” “For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.” John 6:51-52, 55
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Yeah, so what? Its odd that you quote the bible. You hate the bible.
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Well oh yeah? You have a big fat red nose and frizzy hair. So there.
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Oh yeah…..I was born this way……whats your excuse.
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I use my brain. Last I heard you had lost yours.
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No, neither she nor other Catholics does. You, on the other hand, hate the truth. You are a wonderful witness to the spirit in you – you lie, constantly. Yoiu do not know Celia, so how can you lie and say she hates the Bible? Do you not see what a bigot and fool you seem. In 5 years you have done nothing except convince us all you are a clown.
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If she quotes the catechism as if it were gospel, she hates the bible. Sorry, but that’s how it goes. I have no time for another gospel.
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At no point did she say anything of the sort. Your lyin’ spirit makes a fool of you. It does all the time, but don’;t insult other posters, Bosco, it’s not nice.
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Bosco, let me try one more time. You claimed the church teaches that the Bible is a dead letter. I went to the CCC online because I understand that it reflects the teachings of the church. I read the section on the Bible, it is freely available for all to read. No where did I see it call the Bible a dead letter. So I quoted it here for you to see that your words do not bear up to scrutiny. Nowhere did I say the CCC is my gospel. Have a nice day.
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Indeed, Bosco is living proof of how wrong you can go if you read the Bible just with your own thoughts.
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Good sister Celia, the CC doesn’t come out and teach the bible is a dead letter. The dead letter thing is from catholic writers that are approved by the CC. If you go thru their writings you find these things. The priest doesn’t stand there and preach these things. Public opinion has stopped priests from preaching things they used to, like the jews killed Jesus and limbo.The catechism that they have now is sterilized. It has a happy face on it. Did you know the CC banned the bible way back in 1250? owning a copy or attending a home bible study was against their law and would get you burned to death. Just now at Vat II they unbanned the bible. They don’t preach that from the pulpit. They want that to go away. But the spirit of the CC hasn’t changed. They tell you that you cant understand the bible…..only their costumed holymen can understand it. this discourages the laity from reading it. Every word I have just said is true and verifiable.
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Bosco, don’t lie. You have never read any of the Catholic writers from whom you quote – you have read extracts on biased websites. Lyin’ Bosco?
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Good sister Celia, do you think the catechism is the gods honest truth? If you quote the CCC to prove a point, you assume its gospel. The CCC is a book put out by the CC, and it says how wonderful the CC is. Meanwhile, they are paying out tens of billions in child abuse settlements. I wonder what chapter that is in?
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No, she quotes it because it outlines Catholic teaching. You lie constantly about what Catholics believe, and when confronted with the evidence you lie, you lie again. Your spirit is a liar – that’s why no one here credits you with being Christian. You are a pagan, and whatever spirit you are inhabited by, we see its fruit. Repent and be saved Bosco.
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And you twist the Bible to your own meaning. What else is new?
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Gee, if it merely means believing His words, I wonder why He didn’t just say that….
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My surprise didn’t show up. Whats goin on here.
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I don’t know how I missed this post! Great read!
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Thank you 🙂
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