This is a topic which seems to generate a good deal of heat; the problem is that energy so deployed might be better utilised to bring light. To bring a charge of ‘Mary worship’ against another Christian is to accuse them of blasphemy – of putting someone else in the place of God. Such a charge should not be levelled because you thought that when someone bowed to a statue they were worshipping it. That is to elevate your own limited cultural experience to the status of a universal norm. If I bow to Queen Elizabeth II, it does not mean I worship her. Over-literal readings of the Bible have a lot to answer for. In the culture of ancient Israel bowing to a statue was a sign of worship, which is why Moses told us God forbade it; but God did not ban the making of images – as anyone familiar with his instructions for the Ark of the Covenant will know. There are those uncomfortable with emotionalism in religion, there are those deaf to poetic language, and alas, such people tend also to be addicted to over-literal readings of Scripture, although few of them, thanks the Lord, actually pluck out their own right eye or chop off their own right hand.
No Catholic thinks that Our Lady delivers salvation to us, but every Christian knows that she was the gateway through which Our Salvation entered this world of sin, and some of us like to express our gratitude to her for that. We know it is easy to misread such devotion, not least because we have a commentator here, Bosco, who does so every day, but again, it is necessary to stress that those doing this incur the serious charge of calling their brothers and sisters in Christ ‘fool’ – they might want to look up the words of Jesus on such matters.
This is the month in which the Church celebrates the Blessed Virgin, which is one reason we have just had a series on the definition of the dogma of the Theotokos. It is also the month in which we shall soon celebrate the centenary of Fatima, on which there will be a post here on 13th May. But why do I choose to write on Our Lady? The answer is a simple one; I owe her a great deal, not simply in the way all Christians do, but also for her help personally.
It was through the Rosary that I was led into the Church; that was her guidance. She has been a never-failing source of solace, a constant refuge. Could I not, you might ask, find these things in her Son? Good question. All I can say is that she guided me to her Son, and that redoubles my devotion.
In this I am one in a long line, which includes St Cyril and the Blessed John Henry Newman and St John Paul II and Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI. Perhaps we are all stupid and/or deluded, and we are all Diana worshippers, after all, between us we only have about nine degrees and deep historical knowledge, what is any of that to put into the balance against the opinion of a Protestant with an opinion? The Pope is only infallible on certain matters, but the Protestant with an opinion on Our Lady is always infallible.
Our Lady is the greatest human being God ever made. All generations call her blessed. In saying that, I am part of the long chain.
All Along the Watchtower 
but God did not ban the making of images – as anyone familiar with his instructions for the Ark of the Covenant will know.
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Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
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Please recall the instances of the Bronze serpent, and Solomon’s Temple that had many statues that God pronounced as GOOD, and also the ark of the covenant. That passage condemns idol worship.
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Yes, lets recall those. Hezekiah did what was right in the sight of the Lord. The people were venerating the bronze serpent, so he destroyed it, and cut down all the other images the people had set up. I don’t remember any statues in gods temple. There were images of animals and trees on the walls. There were no images of humans, if that’s what you are trying to imply. Its gods house. He does what he wants.
The Ark and the cherubim….God had that made for His purpose and he resided above it. The people couldn’t file by and slober all over it, like you idolatrous cathols do to the graven image of Jupiter inside the Haunted House on Vaticanus Hill.
God commands us not to make for ourselves any graven images. He told us not to kill. He kills whom he wants, but we aren’t to kill whom we want. You idolatrous caths have a new saying. It goes like this……God commands us to make images. I guess that’s the only thing you all can say given the fact that your Roman Temples are full to the rafters with them and idolaters all bowing befor them.
Come to my idolatrous site and see them in their natural habitat….sign in and become a member. Love to have you.
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Here is an excerpt from Catholic Answers article: Statues Aren’t Necessarily Idols
“But God expressly forbids making statues,” say many Fundamentalists. They cite Exodus 20:4: “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,” and a statue is certainly a “graven image”—that is, an image made by human hands. When this verse is thrown at them, most Catholics are stumped for a response. If they were more familiar with Exodus, they could skip to chapter 25 and read the account of the ornamenting of the Ark of the Covenant.
The Lord commanded the Ark, which held the tablets of the Law, to be topped by—what else?—statues of two cherubim. The statues were to be made of gold, and the wings of the cherubim were to be held over the Ark, as though protecting it. So here we have the Lord, in chapter 20 saying, “Don’t make statues,” according to Fundamentalists, and in chapter 25 the Lord says, “Make statues.”
The key to this apparent contradiction is the purpose behind the making of the statues. In chapter 20 statues used in idol worship were condemned; in chapter 25 statues used for a proper religious purpose were praised.
This brings us to statues in Catholic churches. Fundamentalists see us kneel before statues of Mary and the saints and conclude we’re worshipping either the statues as such or at least the saints represented by the statues. We can’t blame them entirely for this misconception. Sometimes the misconception is fostered by our side.”
You are correct that God does as He wishes. But that does not mean that He can contradict Himself. If making statues is bad, then God wouldn’t make man construct statues. Contradiction is an imperfection, and therefore God is incapable of doing it. God is unchanging, not contradicting.
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The Catholic Church does not defy any of God’s commandments. Your accusation reveals an ignorance of the biblical facts surrounding statues. In Exodus 20:4 God condemned the carving of statues for the sake of worshipping them as idols–a blasphemy the Catholic Church also condemns. In Exodus 25:18-20, on the other hand, God commands Moses to carve statues for a religious purpose: two cherubim which would sit atop the Ark of the Covenant.
Notice that these angelic images were to serve such an exalted purpose (not because the statues themselves were in any way intrinsically exalted but because of the use to which they would be put) that God was very exacting in the instructions he gave Moses as to the materials to be used and the posture in which they were to be carved. Similar divine commands to carve statues and embroider images of various religious objects are found in Exodus 21:6-9, Numbers 21:6-9, 1 Kings 6:23-28, and 1 Kings 7:23- 39. In each case, the statue or embroidered image was intended by God for a religious use.
Although the worship of anything, not just statues, in place of the True God is idolatry, there are times when statues are not just tolerable but recommended. Just as those Old Testament statues were ordered fashioned by God to reminded the Israelites of heavenly realities, Catholic statues of Jesus and the angels and the saints serve the same purpose.
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If making statues is bad, then God wouldn’t make man construct statues.
My friend Patrick, which men did God command to make the cherubs?
Did God ask me to make cherubs? Did god ask you to make cherubs? God didn’t make them for people to look at.
Your excuse is so flimsy my brother. Im not blaming you at all. This is the excuse handed down by those who came befor you. lets look at the commandment again.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
In another such passage it says not to bow thyself to them OR worship them. But you make yourself feel better about your religions idolatry by saying that its OK as long as you don’t worship the image. If you were born into that religion, you have to explain it away, not just explain it but give it the seal of approval from the Almighty. Either that or admit your passed away loved ones died n their sins. This is, I believe, the hardest part of admitting that a religion that does these things is false. Even more so, admitting ones own religion is false and wicked.
I need to also explain that I am guilty of idolatry. My goal isn’t to make people angry at me….it is to expose false religion and their wicked practices that they make people indulge in with them.
Another flimsy excuse is….well we bow befor royalty and others to show respect. There are the blind and there are the saved. Everyone is born unsaved.
Really? Bowing befor a human is justification for bowing befor the works of your hands?
In closing…you know, I mean hey…..if you just have to make images and bow befor them or belong to a religion that promotes that practice, have at it. Do it right. Bow long and low.
jesus is at the door knocking my friend.
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A graven image is a god figure men worship – as none of us does this, do you have a point?
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We all know you guys don’t worship the graven image. I mentioned it because your religion promotes using images in your spiritual walk, which is expressly forbidden. if the religion promotes idolatry, what else wrong does it have its flock doing? hey, if it don’t bother you, it don’t bother me.
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No, it forbids worshipping them. Because you have the aesthetic sensibilities of a door post does not mean the rest of us cannot be transported by great art.
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So you are saying that there should be no statues made at all? If so, I hope you don’t own any. And the commandment says the “likeness” of anything also. So that prohibits you from owning photos and paintings as well.
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That’s what it seems like brother Patrick. But god knows we humans are in a world of images. What god hates is images that are made for worshiping him. Religious objects. A painting of a mountain or a person is not an image of something made by human hands. But I understand your love of images of men and women that aren’t actually real images, because no one knows what they look like. You love graven images and hate anyone who speaks out about it. God being one of them. You hate god.
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No, God hates images which are worshipped instead of him. That is clear to the meanest intelligence – but you seem to slip below even that.
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It was through the Rosary that I was led into the Church; that was her guidance.
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Perhaps we are all stupid and/or deluded, and we are all Diana worshippers
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Speak for yourself.
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Our Lady is the greatest human being God ever made.
Of all men born of a women, there is none greater than John the Baptist.
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Wasn’t Jesus born of a woman? I seem to remember this from somewhere. The woman herself is pretty well-known, Bosco, dear.
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Jesus is the one who said that, you brain dead sick little monkey.
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You may be unable to tell the difference between a man and a woman. – the rest of us can,
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I didn’t think anyone would try that flimsy remark about men vs a woman. I thought someone might try that, but I never in a million yrs would have thought that good brother Chalcedon would pull that. that’s something the jehovas do. Im not even going to entertain this one.
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Really, well the Greek word in Scripture is ‘man’. As usual, when Scripture fails to support your predicting view, you change the meaning of Scripture. Effectively you rewrite Scripture to fit what you think it should mean.
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Sorry. Not interested.
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No, as usual when you are busted you ignore it. Later you will claim you never said it. I really don’t know why you bother – you have been exposed time and again as an ignorant bigot. That is why, despite the fact most of those now commenting, Neo, Nicholas, Colmar and Rob and not Roman Catholics, they do not agree with you. If you were any brighter, you’d be ashamed of showing yourself up in this way. The rest of us are embarrassed for you.
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Im too flabberghasted to comment on this rite now.
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Usually you take everything literally. Look up the Greek word used, it means male, not female. Bosco busted again.
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Behold, I stand here by the well of water; and the daughters of the men of the city come out to draw water:
Takes two to make a daughter. men and women. You know very well that men refers to mankind, when not specified otherwise.
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Think for a moment Bosco – the men to whom Jesus was talking all knew John the Baptist – they would not have understood had he mentioned his mother.
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I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever
I guess women don’t get to eat this bread and live forever.
That’s why I didn’t want to entertain this play on words. its embarrassing to have this conversation with someone who claims to have some modicum of biblical knowledge. I call it a Jehovas Witness argument.
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This is where your ignorance of the Greek words come in. Different words are used. I call it the ignorant American argument.
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man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Deut
I guess women don’t have to live by the word. It doesn’t say woman. Just says man.
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Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Silly me, I misquoted the passage. ……Among them that are born of a women…that means everybody.
Our Lady is the greatest human being God ever made
Not according to Jesus she isn’t.
The CCs Mary worship is grounded in nothing but air…luft, nada, nothing. Time to go religion shoping again.
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Context is all, Bosco – if Jesus had said his mother, no one would have believed him – unless you think they knew he was the Messiah. Still, if you want to be as ignorant as a 1st century Jew, that’s up to you and would surprise no one.
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Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:
This is what Jesus said. But it doesn’t mean what he said because of the magical word “context”. This flies in the face of Maryology….therefor you are duty bound to say it doesn’t mean what it says.
Talk about the Jews….I used to debate with a guy who runs “27 reasons Why Jesus Isnt Messiah”. he was jewish of course. He pulled the same weak lines as you do good brother. id give him a passage and hed promptly say the magic words…”that was taken out of context”. No matter how clear the passage was, he said it was out of context. that’s because it refutes what mainstream Hebrews believe about jesus and the Messiah.
You see, I just don’t witness to catholics…I have witnessed to Mormons Jehovahs, Nishren Shosu, Hebrews and atheists. And all stops between.
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Goodness me, so all of them have been driven away from Christianity by you?
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Oh yes, they hate me. When I expose their beloved religion they see red. Just like you Diana worshipers do. Its my job. I am a watchman. Nothing personal in it.
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Don’t fool yourself – no one hates you – what people hate is to see a grown man make an ignorant fool of himself.
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Come to my foolish site and see cathols in their natural habitat.
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Come in and find rest for your souls. Sign in and become a member. Gkad to have you.
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If there was any proof needed of the spirit that inspires you, that site is it. Are you telling us it is inspired by the Holy Spirit? By their fruit shall ye know them. That sad site is the fruit of the spirit in you. Nuff said.
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This doctrine was defined in 1854 by Pope Pius IX (Question Box, pp. 358,359). Regarding this doctrine, the Catholic Dictionary says (p. 430):
“A Catholic is bound to hold that [this] doctrine … was contained in the faith once delivered to the saints by the Apostles. On the other hand, he is under no obligation of believing it possible to produce cogent historical proof (over and above the Church’s decision) that the doctrine was so contained.”
So Catholics need not believe that the doctrine can be proved by history (either tradition or the Bible). But they still must believe the doctrine is true, because the church teaches it!
Pope Leo XIII again said: “Thus, as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother” – Rosary, p. 58. Again, “‘…none, O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee; none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee'” (p. 131).
She is “the dispenser of our Lord’s Blood” – p. 129. Again, God “has no children but by her, and communicates no graces but by her … and through her alone does He dispense His favours and His gifts” – Legio Mariae, p. 169.
We can only be saved thru Diana…..I mean Mary, according to the House on Haunted Hill.
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No, that is not what this says – you are clearly unable to read.
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Pope Leo XIII again said: “Thus, as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother” – Rosary, p. 58
I can read. Its embarrassing, isnt it. But you can make it go away by saying Bosco the Heretic cant read. Insult the messenger….that makes it all right. (;-D
Whats it going to take to make you people rethink this religion?
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No, it is accurate. Mary’s ‘be it unto me’ led to the birth of Jesus and our salvation, so literally (and why, given you usually read everything literally, do you fail to do so now?), so literally we come to Christ via Mary. Which bit of this literal reading do you fail to get?
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I get it. That’s why im not catholic.
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No, you are not Catholic because you have swallowed a pile of baloney about the RCC.
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Say, whats the status on your newly saved friend, uh, Richard or Robert, forgot his name. has he joined the CC yet?
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No idea. But the fact remains that in nearly 5 years here not one of the many non-Catholics here has agreed with you. Being you, you have probably never wondered why.
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Id like to know how hes doing in his new walk.
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No one here agrees with you, Bosco. But then no one here is as ill educated.
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Now you sound like my girlfriend. She regularly calls me stupid.
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Smart woman – she must want you for your body 🙂
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The Lord moved us away from that. She cant marry again or she would child support.
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Not sure what this means?
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The Lord moved us away from jumbling. We aren’t married. I do try to follow orders. try, is the key word. When He comes to take us, I don’t want to be in the middle of commiting adultery. Know what I mean…jelly bean?
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Plus, that wouldn’t be fair to the bunny if I got snatched away in the middle of takin care of bidness. Know what I mean…jelly bean?
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Great article, and thanks for giving so much attention to Theotokos and Ephesus lately.
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Thank you very much 😊
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You are very welcome.
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As I said in a former post
The Virgin Mary is the living shrine of the Word of God, the Ark of the New and Eternal Covenant.
St. Luke’s narrative of the Annunciation of the angel Gabriel to Mary beautifully incorporates the images of the tent of meeting with God in Sinai and of the temple of Zion.
Just as the cloud covered the people of God marching in the desert , (Num 10:34; Deut 33:12; Ps 91:4) and just as the same cloud, as a sign of the divine mystery present in the midst of Israel, hovered over the Ark of the Covenant (.Ex 40:35), so now the shadow of the Most High and Holy One surrounds and infiltrates the Tabernacle of the New Covenant that is the womb of Mary.
(St Luke 1: 35.
“And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the poser of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God.
The Son-ship of Jesus is achieved by the overshadowing and penetration of Mary’s womb by the Holy Spirit. Thanks be to God.
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Say good brother colmar, do you happen to be good brother Malcolm?
So sorry to be the fly in the ointment my brother, but marys womb is a piece of flesh. Its not surprising me that catholics hold it up as being something special. A hunk of flesh. Yuck.
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colmar is my name Br Bosco.
Yes of course Mary’s Womb is flesh. If it wasn’t how could the Word of God become incarnate on earth.
“And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,full of grace and truth.” John 1:14.
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Glorifying a womb, and calling it the Ark of the Covenant? A piece of flesh is gods ark of the covenant? Where does it all stop? I thought I had heard everything.
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It is a metaphor Bosco, loom it up. That ‘piece for flesh’ was the Incarnate Word, who was in the beginning with God’ – if you think Jesus was a piece of flesh you blaspheme.
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Blasphemy…Oh, right…..isn’t that , uh, like calling oneself by gods name?
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It includes calling Jesus ‘a piece of flesh’ – if you really knew Jesus, you would never have written those words.
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Jesus is in his flesh in heaven at this very moment. Granted it has been glorified. I called Marys womb a piece of flesh, which its was….its gone back to the earth now. We are all pieces of flesh.
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You are so thick. The Ark of the Covenant contained the Word of God, Mary’s womb contained the Incarnate Word, you regard an object as special but not the womb where Jesus was nourished? Each to his own.
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Yuck. You cathols are yucky and weird. Ever seen the afterbirth? Yucky, but that’s part of life, but its yucky.
My god is in heaven, and hes invisible, to us at least.
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You are one of the most disrespectful people I have encountered. Should not all generations call Mary blessed? I guess not heretics like you.
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Bosco can’t help it – he has swallowed Chick’s poison
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Oh, he follows Jack Chick? Poor hopeless fellow. Chick is the most bigoted anti-Catholic writer ever.
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He denies it, but the similarities are overwhelming. Since so many swallow this poison, we let him comment here so that others may become acquainted with the truth by rebutting his lies.
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My friend Patrick, I, and many countless others call Mary Blessed. I just don’t give flesh any glory.
By the way, I simply love Chick tracts. Some are really funny. A few stretch reality a wee bit, but for the most part, I believe they are responsible for leading many people to Christ. Even on my glorious site I have a Chick cartoon on the very top. its hilarious. Come in and sign up, kick yer feet up and relax.
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“She has been a never-failing source of solace, a constant refuge. Could I not, you might ask, find these things in her Son? Good question. All I can say is that she guided me to her Son, and that redoubles my devotion.”
I’ve come to believe that some people, God calls to follow Christ with a special emphasis on Marian devotion. I think they’re the ones who feel that consistent draw toward Marian spirituality in a very personal way. Others, Catholic or not, seem perfectly content with the occasional rosary but nothing more. I think it’s just part of the diversity of spiritual temperaments and needs, part of the diversity of God’s creation. Either way is perfectly fine, so long as one is following the lead of the Spirit.
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Devotion to the Mother of God is devotion to Christ because without her “yes” to God there would have been no incarnation,and salvation.
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So, if Mary had said “no thanks” , god would have gone away and no one would have a savior as He promised? You cathols have a form of godliness but deny the power there of.
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Someone else would have said yes. You have zero sense of how awesome it was to have had the Saviour of the world born of a woman.
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Well, being concerned with biblical things at least keeps you off the streets.
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So, let us recap. You have convinced no one here of anything, but you have shown yourself to be bigoted, narrow-minded and ignorant – in short, just the sort of person atheists like to point to as evidence that Christianity is for morons. Well done, Bosco, you do your master’s work splendidly.
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Why thank you. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
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The difficulty, Bosco, is that you appear to possess only one of these characteristics, and it isn’t the latter.
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Thank you. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
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Another reason God hates images is that they give false mental pictures. Im not talking about photos of real people. lets start with the picture of what I suppose is the catholic Mary at the top of this post.
Its some cutsy blond blue eyed 13 or 14 real old. Now, I gather most of the other images of this Mary are pleasant looking(in my opinion weird looking) lady, usually holding an infant.
The fact is, that ill bet 1000 dollars American, that is you se the real Mary, this devotion would dissolve in a hurry. Bible says Christ had no beauty that we should desire him. Jesus is still half his mother and would look a heck of a lot like her. In short, Christ got his undesirable features no doubt from dear ol Mom. happy mothers day everyone. Have you seen the lower class girls of that time in that nasty dried up Nazareth? No beauty queens there. After having roughly 7 kids, she gonna be pretty beat looking on top of everything else. You are adoring something you think is adorable. false images are misleading and will lead one to hell with it. That’s why the 2nd commandment, that the CC took out of its bible.
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Can you provide the verses which say this is why God hates images, or is this more oddness from Boscoism?
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Acts 15:20 “But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution’s of idols, ..”
It is more oddness from Bosco. God loves graven images. Jesus spoke of little else.
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Graven images in OT times were gods to be worshipped, Bosco.
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CC graven images are good. Other peoples graven images are bad. Why? because we say so.
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Why not photos of real people??? Are not all likenesses of things on earth condemned?
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A Photo of a person is not an image of something made by human hands. But don’t let me stop you from bowing befor the works of your hands, since you love it so much.
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You do know how babies are made, don’t you Bosco? Are you now saying children are not the work of two humans? Odd fellow.
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Babies are not the work of human hands. Tisk tisk….your stretching to find justification for your churchs use of idols. Why not just go it alone with just you and Jesus?
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Really, I hate to tell you Bosco, but two humans are generally involved.
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The text reads:
You shall not make unto yourself any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: (Exodus 20:4)
Photos go under the category of “likeness of anything”.
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As I have been referred to in the ongoing wrangle over Mary on a few occasions I need to set out my own position.
I think that Catholics make far too much of Mary and have read statements in authorized Catholic literature in relation to Mary and Christ that are clearly blasphemous.
It is clear from scripture that she was the ‘God-bearer’ – ‘Theotokos’.
However the elevating and glorification of any individual by the application of religious titles is totally foreign to me whether it be Apostle, Pastor, Pope, Teacher, Vicar or Mother of God. I do not see any of this in the NT. While understanding the most moderate Catholic interpretations of the titles ‘Co-Redemptres’ and ‘Mediatrix of all Grace’, I find these titles very concerning. I appreciate that the suffering of martyrs for the sake of Christ and His kingdom has proven to have played a part in the redemption of others even as Mary’s example. When Paul spoke of being “Poured out as drink offering” he reflected a similar preparedness to sacrifice himself for Christ and the furtherance of His gospel.
I see Mary as a wonderful example, a woman who acquiesced to bear Christ while, through the prophetic word, (“A sword shall piers your heart”) she was aware of the suffering that it would cause her personally. I have felt emotionally moved when considering this. What she must have experienced at the cross as a mother who tenderly loved her son – it cannot be comprehended unless one has experienced such loss.
Regarding prayers to Mary it seems that powers of divinity are assumed of her in that she is considered to be capable of hearing and answering the millions of simultaneous prayers offered to her.
I strongly suspect that Marion apparitions are either psychological delusions or at times demonic counterfeits.
My reading of Bosco’s comments are:
a) That he fails to recognise Mary’s willing participation in the purposes of God and may in so doing lack the respect due to her
b) That he rejects the Catholic image and glorification of Mary which he differentiates from the actual humble New Testament person.
I have no objection to the latter sentiment, but find such wrangling pointless and antagonistic in relation to Catholic contributors here and not an endeavor I choose to be engaged in.
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Thanks Rob. What worries me is that Bosco’s view seems to be based on his view that Jesus was just a human being upon whom the Spirit had descended.
There is also a cultural element in this. The English have always been uncomfortable with the emotionally charged Continental style of Marian devotion – Newman himself found it difficult.
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Rob’s point, especially as amended by you is one well taken, perhaps expanded to northern Europeans in general. The Continental Catholic vocabulary used for Marian veneration just sounds over the top, way over the top. In fact, it is higher than we often use for Jesus himself. That doesn’t always sit well with me, either. I suspect that is why Walsingham resonates with many of us, it’s geared more to the Anglo-Saxon style, certainly saying the same thing, but without the quivering upper lip.
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Yes, there is a huge amount in that Neo.
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Thanks. 🙂
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I do wonder how much of Bosco’s problem lies there.
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Quite a lot of it, I suspect, particularly combined with his iconoclasm. What he needed was a good liberal arts program. I can overlook the language, and some of the art, because I have reasonable grounding, if I didn’t, I suspect I’d be closer to his viewpoint than mine.
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Yes, there’s a lot in that.
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Supplemental: Much of the adoration does leave me cold, without the introduction I had, I doubt I would have come to Marian veneration.
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Say good brother Chalcedon, what about my hart hitting marvel of journalism you were supposed to put up?
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Shall I put it up Monday? I thought it might not go with today’s other post.
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chalcedon451, I was wondering if you could take a look at this and maybe lend a hand in the comment section? https://whysoseriousdotcom.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/william-tyndale-victim-or-criminal/
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https://whysoseriousdotcom.wordpress.com/2017/05/15/christs-divinity-and-marys-maternity/
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