It took sixty years after Nicaea before its results could be said to have been accepted by a majority of Christians; even then, it took an expansion of the Creed agreed there before anything resembling a consensus was reached. In the case of Ephesus, there was a more ready consensus – but also a resistance to the doctrine. This is not the place to go into the history of the so-called ‘Nestorian’ Church, but for those interested there is a good short series on it on this blog starting with this introduction. The whole dispute had been one about the nature of Christ, and it was that subject, and especially the issue of the legitimacy of confessing two natures in Christ after the Incarnation, which occupied the next three Councils: Ephesus II in 449, Chalcedon in 451 and Constantinople II in 553.
It is worth dwelling a little more on the reconciliation with Antioch, because it is one of the few examples we have of such a major potential schism being healed.
The reconciliation with John of Antioch had been an act of great courage on Cyril’s part. Right through the year after Ephesus, most of Syria had been in the rejectionist camp; Theodosius’ instructions that they should accept what had been decided had been ignored, and the Syrians had made a rejection of Cyril’s Twelve Anathemas a condition of reconciliation. Had Cyril been the man portrayed by Gibbon he would not have acted as he did, and there would have been no reunion.
Cyril gave no ground on what he had said, but did make it plain that his condemnations had been of Nestorius, not of the whole Antiochene school. John of Antioch offered an explanation of his position which Cyril found orthodox; Cyril insisted that they accept the deposition and condemnation of Nestorius. With good will on both sides, the way to substantial reunion was found. Once orthodoxy had been established, Cyril worked hard to make the yoke easier on those whose pride had been assailed. If only some later Popes had behaved in such a manner. It is terribly unfair that Cyril has been stigmatised in the way he has been; in practice, once the central theological orthodoxy was established, he was flexible on other matters.
It was, as the Pope told Cyril, his triumph. But within his own Church, and within the Syrian one, there were those who wanted a different sort of triumph – one more akin to that won by Rome against Carthage. Nestorius never accepted his fate, and even in exile in the prison colony of the Great Oasis in Egypt, continued to protest his case; his Bazaar of Heraclides was rediscovered in the nineteenth century, and for those with a taste for such things, stands as a monument to human vanity. Theodoret of Cyrrhus continued to agitate against Cyril, and would help cause the next great crisis.
As for Cyril, his victory won, he continued to write on Christological issues. His three great Christological works: That the Christ is One; The Exposition of the Creed; The Three Books to the Monks, as well as the monumental Against Julian the Apostate all belong to this last period of his life. He died on 27 June 444, just short of his 70th birthday. He was the greatest theologian of his time; one the the greatest of all time. It was fitting that he should have been called ‘The Seal of all the Fathers’. Had his successor, Dioscorus, possessed a fraction of either his genius in theology of diplomacy, much ill might have been averted.
It remains only to comment on what Cyril achieved – from his own point of view.
Since I have ever maintained that good sister Mary is not the mother of God, you cathols want to imprison me in the Oasis in Egypt……or maybe worster.
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Nah, Bosco, we’re tolerant of non-Christians, as long as they’re clowns.
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Good to know you do not think Jesus is God. Confirms whatever spirit is in you is not a holy one.
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Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
I purposely didn’t put up this quote earlier because the words of God mean nothing to you religious idolaters. You scoff at the ten commandments. You will scoff at this passage also. You have a bigger problem than false beliefs.
Hell has enlarged its boarders.
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Question, was Jesus talking about Christianity and his Church or Judaism. Even an idiot, which you are, should be able to answer this. I didn’t make the point earlier as I over-estimated your intelligence, which is below that of an amoeba.
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jesus spoke of the Almighty god. And he told people to follow him. jesus was Hebrew and he followed the custom which was to attend temple on the Sabbath, Saturday.
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So, you are telling us Jesus did not found a Church and the Apostles got it wrong?
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Jesus has always been the corner stone, the Rock of our salvation. he didn’t start one 2000 yrs ago. Its always been there.
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And I tell you that you are Peter, [Kefas, means Rocvk] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Red letter words of Jesus denied by Bosco!
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I live by the red letter words. There is just one little word that we differ on…….and that is “This Rock”
The CC says “this rock is Peter.
Christians say “this rock” is the fact that Jesus is the Christ, which is the subject of that little talk.
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Kefa is the Aramaic word for Rock. Jesus changes Simon’s name to Rock and says ‘on this Rock’ – Bosco’s man-made religion says Jesus did not’t mean what he said – Bosco being an authority on Aramaic and Greek. You rightly use the image of a clown.
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You should be making cakes to the queen of heaven instead of sitting here calling me names.
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Bosco, I am actually very sorry for you. The one saving grace is you are too stupid to see how stupid you are. I keep asking you to provide one educated person who shares your view, and you do your imitation of a parrot. You have been here nearly 5 years and in that time convinced no one of anything – except you are ignorant beyond belief.
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I keep asking you to provide one educated person who shares your view,
Uh, could you be less specific? Which view? Or just all of them? I don’t have ant views. I believe the bible says what it means and means what it says. Im aware you consider it poetry and not to be believed at its word.
To each his own, I always say.
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For example, the view that Jesus is really the Father, or that Catholicism is the religion of Nimrod, or that Catholics worshiip Mary – in short, for any of your goofy nonsense. You provide no source except your own misreading of Catholic documents and some nutty stuff from the tinfoil hat end of the Internet.
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Ok, fair enough. How about I do another hard hitting post where I address each of those points. When people get up and going here I have to get off computer, so later I will start researching all of said toplics.
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OK, let me think how we do that.
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Bosco
How do you account for the Apostle Thomas addressing Jesus as my Lord and My God?
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Good brother Colmar, Thomas saw jesus and put his finger in the wound and addressed Jesus as Lord and God. Im alittle surprised he called him his God. They never called him God befor, but Jesus did give them hints that He was the Father.
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Good brother Colmar, I just noticed something. You look an awful lot like someone I know. Am I imagining things?
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I guess a lot of posters look alike
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