To return to the Council. We left it with St Cyril in the ascendant and the definition of Our Lady as ‘Theotokos’ as agreed. But things were far from over. The Antiochene delegation, led by Bishop John, turned up on 26 June, convoked another synod and announced that Cyril was deposed. That created a deadlock: two Councils, two decisions. The emperor originally agreed with both groups – so all the leading bishops were deposed. Here is where the charge comes that Cyril bribed his way to victory.
It must be said up front that Cyril did indeed send a considerable number of very expensive gifts to Constantinople, but to attribute his victory to this is to ignore two things; that the partisans of Nestorius did likewise, as this was how these things were done; it is also to ignore the theological dimension.
The people of Constantinople were behind the Cyrilline council and there were demonstrations and riots when it became known that Theodosius had deposed him. Theodosius was in even more trouble when, on 10 July, the Roman delegation turned up and supported Cyril. Rome and the population of Constantinople were united with Cyril in defence of the Theotokos, as were the people of Ephesus, who refused to abandon him even when he was placed under house arrest. The ‘gifts’ were part of Cyril’s tactics to secure allies in Constantinople where the partisans of Nestorius still had influence. As McGuckin puts it:
‘Cyril’s payments to court officials undoubtedly smoothed the way for his cause … Nonetheless the key factor which swayed Theodosius was without question the solid determination of the Cyrilline party not to abandon their president whom they identified as synonymous with their cause.’ (p. 106).
Cyril and Memnon were restored, Nestorius deposed; what remained to be done was to reconcile Christendom. Here it helped that the majority of the Antiochenes had accepted the orthodoxy of the declaration that St. Mary was, indeed Theotokos.
It took two more years before Cyril and the church at Antioch could be reconciled, but the former knew how to be magnanimous in victory. John, bishop of Antioch, had no wish to continue to quarrel with the powerful Patriarch. In 433 Cyril marked their reunion with his famous epistle which began “Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad”. It contained the credal statement about Our Lady we hold to this day:
Concerning the Virgin Mother of God, we thus think and speak; and of the manner of the Incarnation of the Only Begotten Son of God, necessarily, not by way of addition but for the sake of certainty, as we have received from the beginning from the divine Scriptures and from the tradition of the holy fathers, we will speak briefly, adding nothing whatever to the Faith set forth by the holy Fathers in Nice. For, as we said before, it suffices for all knowledge of piety and the refutation of all false doctrine of heretics. But we speak, not presuming on the impossible; but with the confession of our own weakness, excluding those who wish us to cling to those things which transcend human consideration.
We confess, therefore, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, perfect God, and perfect Man of a reasonable soul and flesh consisting; begotten before the ages of the Father according to his Divinity, and in the last days, for us and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, of the same substance with his Father according to his Divinity, and of the same substance with us according to his humanity; for there became a union of two natures. Wherefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord.
According to this understanding of this unmixed union, we confess the holy Virgin to be Mother of God; because God the Word was incarnate and became Man, and from this conception he united the temple taken from her with himself.
Peace was restored. Some of the more partisan Alexandrians criticised Cyril for giving way to some of the phraseology of the Antiochenes, but he had won his point – and the harshness of the Twelve Anathema was to be buried in the love of brothers reunited; some sacrifice is always necessary. The unwisdom of his critics would be shown six years after his death in 444. But what had Cyril won?
Deposings, firings, jailings, demonstrations, riots, briberies. What an absolutely colorful history of this religion.
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Or, to put it another way, we are all sinners and in need a a Redeemer. Perhaps you are without sin and since your conversion have never done one single thing wrong?
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I sin ten times befor I even get out of bed. Jesus wouldn’t have gone thru what he went thru if we weren’t all lost in sin. The playing field is level. Just saying these maniacs were sinners doesn’t mean Jack. Fighting over trivia. Its nice to read about. Pretty funny, especially when all the actors win up in hell…..what was it worth? But I must say that good brother Nestorius sounds like he might have been on the rite track.
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So, for you it is trivia whether Jesus was God or just a man? Odd idea of trivia – the Apostles and the Bible thought it crucial. Perhaps your new spirit said ‘meh’?
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Its a matter of hats. God put on the human hat when he was born of a female. remember when he told Magdeline not to touch him because he wasn’t glorified yet? In his fleshly ministry he wasn’t glorified. if he was fully god he would have his glory. But he was a man…our kinsman redeemer.
If one isn’t saved, that one has a much bigger problem than Mary being all powerful queen of heaven controversy.
Hell is there waiting for the fearful.
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No, God is in three persons, not one person wearing three hats. As usual you churn out ancient heresy.
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Now Bosco is a modalist with Nestorian sympathies, and something of an old Quaker view of how we relate to God.
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Good brother Steven, I know god personally. That’s how I know what I know.
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No, you know a spirit who has fooled you
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Tell me good brother Chalcedon, when the costumed holyman raises the bible up and waves it around and then kisses it during your Roman ritual, don’t you tell him its a dead letter and you don’t believe one gosh darned word of it.? That its just poetry? He should wave a book by that raging homo Walt Whitman around and kiss it.
The spirit in me tells me to believe every word of the bible. The Roman Religion on Haunted Vaticanus Hill tells you the bible is a dead letter, and you gladly believe it.
hell has enlarged its mouth.
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I feel sorry for you. By ‘dead letter’ what is meant is that the Bible does not interpret itself – nor does it. You cannot, for example, discover from the Bible, what books should be in it. You can even, if you are really dim, read it and claim God is a rapist, or Jesus is just a man. The Bible, to be properly understood, needs to be read within the tradition of the Church, and when it is, it yields its full understanding. You demonstrate here, daily, what happens when some fool of a clown imagines he knows what it means.
Of course, as you can neither think nor read beyond about 4th grade, all this passes you by and you parrot your devil-inspired script. Why do you think that the one thing all Christians here agree on is that you are wrong about almost everything? Rob, for example, is very much not a Catholic, and yet he does not agree with you.
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