May is the month of Our Lady for Catholics. To the poorly-educated, the prejudiced and the ignorant, this will raise the issue of Catholics ‘worshipping’ her, so it is as well to say at the outset, that this is nonsense. Catholics, like all Christians, worship only God. To say that a Catholic ‘worships’ Our Lady by kissing a statue of her, would be like claiming a Protestant ‘worshipped’ the Bible by kissing it. It is the sort of pernicious sectarian tosh that has no place in Christian dialogue.
For as long as we can look back, Christians have had a veneration for Our Lady. One of the most popular non-canonical texts was the so-called Evangelion of St James, which dates to the mid or late second century, and shows that by then, the intense interest in her was being satisfied by a steady supply of imaginative literature. Nor is this surprising. Last week we looked at St Cyril of Alexandria, who had a particular devotion to Our Lady. If its origin is unclear,its depth is not. Any attempt to deny that St. Mary was the Mother of God cast doubt on the source and fact of our salvation. Cyril agreed with St. Gregory Nazianzus that what was not assumed cannot be healed.
If Christ was not both fully divine and fully human, he wrote:
we have no longer been redeemed by God (how could we have been?) but rather by the blood of someone else. Some man or other, an impostor and a falsely-named son, has died for us. The great and venerable mystery of the incarnation of the Only Begotten has turned out to be only words and lies, for he never really became man after all. We certainly could not regard him as our Saviour who gave his blood for us, we would have to attribute this to that man.
When it came to his ears that the new Patriarch of Constantinople, Nestorius, was denying St. Mary the title of ‘Theotokos’ (God-bearer), he was alarmed.
Our opponents have chosen to hold and teach that the Only Begotten Word of God assumed a man of the line of the divine David and Abraham, and took care to form him in the holy virgin, then conjoined himself to him, made him come to the trial of death, raised him from the dead, took him up to heaven, and seated him at the right hand of God. But if this is the case then it seems to me that the holy Fathers and all the God-inspired scriptures, and we ourselves, are speaking in vain whenever we say that he became man. Nonetheless I think that it is exactly this, and nothing else, that the all-wise John meant when he wrote: “The Word became flesh” (Jn 1:14).
‘Thetokos’ was popularly translated as ‘Mother of God’. The laity had long used this appellation for the Blessed Virgin. Long before any theologian pronounced, the consensus of the faithful was orthodox – the Blessed Virgin was the Mother of Our Lord and Saviour, and since He was the God-Man (Theandros) she was the Theotokos. Popular opinion in Constantinople was outraged at any attempt to deny this; so was Cyril. In his paschal letter of Easter 429, St. Cyril affirmed the reality of the humanity of Christ and insisted on the unity of His Divine Person in terms quoted above. He composed his ‘Letter to the Monks‘ in which he founded his belief in the unity of God in his understanding of the position of Our Lady:
At Ephesus in 432, St Cyril fought Nestorius to ensure that the correct understanding of the place of Our Lady in our salvation was enshrined in Christian doctrine. At the beginning of the month when we celebrate her, it seems respectful to remind ourselves of what St Cyril said and to honour his devotion. This is the first in a short series examining the Council of Ephesus.
I try to pray the rosary with consistency (this varies week to week), it’s good for the soul and helps me stay close to God.
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I try, not always successfully, for the Rosary, but always manage at least the Angelus. It does help, and helps to organize your mind, as well.
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The Rosary is a Heresy and it is not a proper means of assisting you in your so-called prayers.
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Have you ever used it? Define heresy? Are you qualified to pronounce on what is and is not heresy. I use it and find it a great help, as have millions of Catholics. If you haven’t tried it, don’t knock what you don’t know, and you have and it hasn’t worked for you, don’t assume you can speak for others.
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I need NO validation from you!!
Who do you think you are?
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I run this blog, and you invited yourself in. I think you’ll find that in order to continue making asinine comments, you need my validation 🙂
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I don’t think I need your validation of anything thank you.
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I think you will find that the only reason your comments appear is because I rescued them from the spam filter. I did so because they amuse me. If they cease to amuse me, you’ll see why you need my validation.
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I have never been a catholic thank you. You will never see me in a catholic Goat-shed.
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Thank you for confirming you don’t know what you are talking about.
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If you knew what you were talking about, in your original post, you would not make accusations against anyone contradicting you, right at the beginnings of you prating.
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Do tell me where I erred?
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The Rosary is a Catholic invention for raking in cash in a similar way to indulgences is.
I will/would never use one even to save my life.
the Rosary is a disgusting thing.
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So, you have never used it but you have a strong opinion. In real life that is called a prejudice. Thank you for confirming your prejudice.
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And you are wrong, at least in Luther’s practice.
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@Neo
To be absolutely honest, I could not care less what Luther said or did not say.
I stick to what the Bible KJV teaches., unlike you, of course, that prefer to listen to your so-called priesthood without acquainting yourself with the Scriptures. KJV
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And there is part of your problem, while I love the KJV, it is not the most accurate translation. And as you would know, if you knew anything about Christianity, it was Rev. Dr. Luther who eliminated the priesthood, and recognized the universal priesthood. Do I listen to the wise men who have gone before me in the Faith? Yes, because I wish to be saved. If you don’t, well, it’s your lookout, I guess.
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It is certainly the best translation.
And as I said, I could care less what Luther is ‘ purported ‘ to have said.
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According to whom? You? Who died and made you the paramount Bible Scholar? Certainly not Jesus the Christ.
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Well, it obviously was n’t you was it? And I do wish that you catholics would refrain from feeble attempts at putting words into other people’s mouths and desist from ‘Strawmen ‘ arguments/premises.
It’s so boring.
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So nice to have my own personal Bosco, after all these years.
Your first mistake is in thinking I’m Catholic, as anybody who has read here for more than five minutes knows, I’m not. But you’ll have to figure it out for yourself, of course that would require reading, so it’s likely not possible for you. Have a fun day! 🙂
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You’re obviously Catholic if you’re using a Rosary. NO Christian would even consider using one.
A genuine Christian I mean.
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It really is a bad idea to call a man you do not know a liar. I have know him for 5 years and he is a Lutheran from the USA. Another topic on which you are rich in opinions and poor in knowledge.
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Nobody, except a Lutheran or an Anglican. You know the original Evangelical Protestants. Too bad you haven’t met real Christians, must be hard for you.
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The problem is, is that you don’t know what a real Christian actually is, especially as yu’re using a heretic Rosary/Talisman.
I seriously doubt if Luther ever used so-called prayer beads like the Muslims do.
Where is this in Scripture?
As I said, for the 3rd time, I don’t care what you purport Luther to have done.
Scripture is all that matters. KJV
KJV = The Bible the Catholics love to hate.!!
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Really? Many Catholics, especially British and American quote it often, because while it’s not always accurate, it is the most beautiful in terms of language of any. Luther was an Augustinian monk and a priest, and many many Lutherans do use a Rosary even as we honor Theotokis. Just because the Medieval Catholic church fell into error does not make all that it believed error, especially considering how error prone you are.
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Maybe better not to confuse him with facts? 🙂
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Probably true! 🙂
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Well chalcedon451 is definitely confused with the facrs, as are you.
Where is this rosary in Scripture?
It’s not there is it?
The only time that catholics quote Scripture is when they do it out of context, or it’s twisted out of shape.
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Can you please show me, chapter and verse in the KJV, where it gives you a list of all the books that should be in the Bible. if you are unable to, then you have successfully established that not everything we do in prayer has to be in the Bible. Whilst you are at it, let us know where it says the KJV is the best version, again, chapter and verse please. If you cannot give us evidence from the KJV, then please at least admit you are incorrect to say that just because something is not in the Bible it is not to be used.
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Your question is ridiculous to say the least.
So where does it mention so-called prayers to mary in your catholic so-called Bible?
You people just make stuff up as you go along.
The Catholic so-called church certainly have/had NO authority to decide what books belong in the Bible.
If it is not given in Scripture, then it is NOT Gods’ Word and not to be practised.
The Rosary is a heresy & Blasphemy as is Purgatory and Scapular, e.t.c…e.t.c..+++
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If it is not given in Scripture it is not God’s word, you say. I ask where in Scripture it defines what books should be in Scripture and you refuse to answer. Case proved. You have no answer, you have opinions but cannot back them up.
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The canon of Sripture was completed in the 1st century.
You ask the stupidest questions.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of The Holy Spirit.
and NOT by the Catholic so-called church.
Where in Scripture is the Rosary?? or the Scapular ?
It isn’t there. Duh
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So, answer my question. Who defined the first century Canon and what books were in it? What is certain is that Scripture did not define itself. Where, in Scripture, is the list of books in it? There is no point your saying the Rosary is not in Scripture if the list of books that are Scripture is not in Scripture. Imitating Homer Simpson simply shows you have no answer.
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Particularly since the KJV doesn’t have the entire canon in it. I do like the 1631 version though, no doubt you recall it, since it said, “Thou shalt commit adultery.”
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Well, stop committing adultery with that Whore of Babylon the catholic so-called church then. Rev 17 KJV.
The Apocrypha was never part of Scripture.
You will also find that if the Apocrypha is in your Bible, it is never connected to the OT or the NT, it is purposely separated from the two with its own heading.
Jesus never quoted from the Apocrypha, and neither did the Apostles.
The Jewish scholars certainly never had it as part of the T’N’K.
Stop being so childish and acknowledge the truth.
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So, when you have ceased being childish, tell us who got to define which books were Scripture?
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You couldn’t even answer the first question I asked of you..
Your article is replete with false premises..etc
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Which is to say you have not answered any of my questions.
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You need to grow up.. seriously.
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And if you wish to post here, you need to abide by the conventions of polite society. Polite society may be foreign to you, but you are not allowed to come here and behave like a teenage hooligan. One more insult and you will find yourself banned.
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It’s so sad for your keyboard that you type out such drivel..
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The pathetic fallacy does not work – you do know keyboards have no feelings. If you have a contribution to make, make it, if you are here to insult Christ’s Church, you will be banned.
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I see that unlike me, you lack the courage to make your blog an open one. What are you hiding? You come here insulting people, but will not allow people the same on your blog. I am sorry you are such a coward. But I can’t see why I should waste any more time on you. You are now banned from this site. Good bye and good riddance. You know you said you needed nothing from me, you were wrong there too.
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International feast days of Our Lady for the Month of May are given here
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1375253842535271&id=100001520063166&ref=bookmarks
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I am hoping you know who does not read number 9. There will be a post on here about Fatima on 13th 🙂
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Our own “flower of the woodland”?
Here is a full heart giving full voice
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Fatima was a stanic/luciferan manifestatioin.
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**typo Manifestation
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And your authority for this, beyond you own no doubt entirely unbiased opinion would be?
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Please feel free to learn English Grammar & spelling.
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I am sorry you fail to understand anything more than a simple sentence construction; sorry, but not surprised.
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You did not even make a simple sentence construction properly on a number of occasions.
silly person
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Your opinions o the English language are as ill-informed as your views on the Catholic Church. Now, if you have an intelligent comment to make, do try to make it, and if not, I shall put you back in the spam filter where I found you.
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Are you on a power trip with your blog or something.
Typical catholic, always wanting power over others.
You have no authority over me Mr.
You keep sending me messages because I have struck a nerve with your feeble conscience.
You know that you need to repent.
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Let us see. You come here and you make unfounded comments. I respond and you insult me. I am beginning to suspect you have not grasped this blogging thing.
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Our world has become dominated by pride and aggression, where all has been reduced to power and weapons of power, to production and weapons of destruction. The image of the Virgin Mary, the Virgin Mother, stands against all this aggression and power and neutralizes it by her presence alone: the image if infinite humility and purity, yet filled with beauty and strength, the image of love and the victory of love.
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Very true, Colmar – and a happy Easter season to you.
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And to you chalcedon.
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What utter poppycock and drivel.
You Catholics need to stop pretending that you do not worship mary, like the hypocrite OP.
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Oddly enough, Colmar is not a Catholic. If we needed another commentator to show the shallowness of anti-Catholic bigotry, you’d be second on the list – so far you are performing splendidly.
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I can’t find colmars comment.
remind me of what he said, and what I responded to.
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You responded to him saying he was a Catholic. Do keep up.
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You must have messaged me about 15 times now. Are you stalking me now or something?
Catholic behaviour certainly seems to be weird these days.
Hiding all sorts of activities. ?
tsk tsk
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I am replying to your comments. If you do not want me to reply, leave my blog and stop making comments.
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But, I am detecting ‘ desperation ‘ in your words, and I know you need me to help/assist you.
Repent
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You are deluded.
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I bet you delete all my comments now, because you feel so challenged with regard to what I have said.
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If you are seeking a record in being wrong in every comment, you are doing well. When there is an intellectual challenge, let me know.
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You would not recognise an ‘ intellectual ‘ challenge.
I knew it, you do actually think that you’re an intellectual.
You could not even explain why you made threats of accusations right at the beginning of your prattlings??
I made a valid point about the beginning of your statement, and you completely ignored it.
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You have not made a valid point yet. I am sure that if you were better-educated you’d be less ill-informed. I made no accusation, but I shall ban you if you continue to make insulting comments with no content.
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To the poorly-educated, the prejudiced and the ignorant, blah blah
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When you have an informed comment to make, and make it, time enough to write ‘bish, bish’ – still, it is one of the few clauses of your sentences which makes sense.
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Why the need to make that/those rather silly imputation/s before you began your little diatribe?
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They accurately encapsulated your contribution. Now, if you have something sensible to contribute, so, if not, then this last comment will be just that, your last here. I do not have time to waste on a troll.
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I did ask you quite a simple question.
allow me to frame it differently then, seeing as you’re struggling.
Why did you find it necessary to make a veiled threat of those accusations/imputations right at the beginning of your posting.
Did you think that it would lend weight to your ill-chosen words?
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There was no ‘veiled threat’?
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Well, of course, it was. The implication being that ‘ your such & such ‘ if you contradict/disagree.
Duh !!
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Unless you are Homer Simpson, ‘duh’ is best avoided. What I said was that what you were saying was ill-informed and inaccurate; it continues to be.
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You can’t even answer a simple question can you?
Even when I simplify it for you?
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I am sorry you are unable to read.
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For as long as we can look back, Christians have had a veneration for Our Lady.
Ive been to church and what have you since birth, because of my grandmother. Never, and I mean never, has this Mary been even mentioned outside of a Christmas event. I played Joseph at my elementary school when I was in 1rst grade. I just stood there. That was my part.
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I am sorry you live such a culturally impoverished life; it explains much about your attitude. I guess at least you do not feel it, not having much in the way of culture in your life, but it is sad, all the same.
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You weren’t born a Mary. You went religion shopping.
Ever notice how this Mary is always pictured as big and Jesus is always a baby in her arms? Mary…big……Jesus….. little.
Its all about this female you call Mary. Please tell me this isn’t worship.
hell has enlarged its borders.
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Of course it isn’t worship.
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Your mention of hell is sort of ironic, because the gates of hell were stormed by Jesus when he went and preached to the spirits in prison between the crucifixion and resurrection….all because this woman named Mary said, “let it be done to me according to your word.”
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Mary is responsible for our salvation. Yes, that is the catholic belief.
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No, the Catholic belief is that Our Lady facilitated our salvation. It is a shame your bigoted ignorance gets in the way of increasing your reading ability to age 6.
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Facilitated, responsible, whats the difference? Maybe you don’t know all the claims your newfound religion makes about poor ol Mary. The CC says Mary allowed Jesus to be sacrificed. That means it was up to her.
Mary= Big
Jesus= Little
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You seem unaware of the fact that words mean things. It is like someone saying @Queen’, Pawn’ they are chess pieces, what’s the difference?’ You, and the other Mary-haters are the only ones who think that we build up Mary to lower Jesus – if you had a functioning brain, I would ask you why you think we would do that?
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You, good brother Chalcedon, don’t think Mary is higher. But the sublime message the CC gives out is that Mary is this adult queen of heaven and Jesus is a baby in her arms. You don’t fall for that, but millions of the Vaticanus Hill faithful do. Its incorrect to think what you believe is held by every single man jack of catholic souls.
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No, that is not the message, and why on earth would it be. I know of no Catholic who thinks this stuff – nor do you. This is what I mean, you lie as easily as breathing. Give me one example of any Catholic document saying Mary is higher than Jesus? What’s that, you can’t, so you quote Catholic documents praising Mary? No, hard luck, that doesn’t prove they downgrade Jesus.
I do wonder where this phobia about the mother of Jesus comes from. Still, perhaps one day you will be able to tell him why you say such lies – and I hope you are spared that lake of fire.
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Forget whats on paper. catholic apologists are always saying that pictures and images told the bible story to people who couldn’t read, that’s why images are needed. I hear this ALL THE TIME. And what do we see all over the CC? mary is big and Jesus is a baby. You even have this pic recently on this site. What does it tell the young or the simple of mind? Its says…..Mary= big….Jesus – Baby. You can call me all sorts of names, but that is just the facts.
Now, its up to each person to heed the call of the Master. He doesn’t care if one has false ideas. he takes you as you are. One has to realize that their religion or their way isn’t working, and then turn to the risin Christ. But as long as one doesn’t feel sick, one doesn’t need a doctor.
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You seem oddly unaware of basic biology. When you do a piece of art work showing a mother and a baby, who is larger?
If you are stupid enough to think that this means that Jesus, who is God, is not infinitely greater, then that’s on you; don’t assume anyone else is that silly.
You say it doesn’t matter what ideas you have. That is not what the Bible says, indeed, Paul, Peter, John and Jude all have a lot to say about the dangers of following ‘another gospel’. Yet again we see the difference between Christianity and Boscoism – the former emphasises the importance of holding to the tradition, written and oral, passed on from Jesus, and you say Jesus does not care if you have false ideas; those who really knew him say otherwise. So, who to believe, the Bible and Christianity, or Boscoism? Not really a hard one.
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Believe me, I feel my spiritual sickness daily, some days to a greater degree than others. Christ alone can save and heal me, that is undeniable. I’m a bit curious (and I ask this genuinely, not to try and argue), if God cares less that one holds to false ideas and cares more that he feels his sickness and comes to Jesus for healing, why do you so strongly insist that all Catholics are unsaved? My impression is that you believe all Catholics are unsaved, with little room for exemptions. Even if certain Catholic ideas were false, is it not enough that many of us feel our need for Jesus and look to him alone for salvation? Yes I believe I receive extra “help” from Mary by way of intercessory prayer, but even grace that comes through the hands of other Christians still originates from God, and my only hope is in Jesus, whom I’m confident will save me and heal me from my sins.
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The image of the Virgin Mary, the Virgin Mother, stands against all this aggression and power and neutralizes it by her presence alone
Images. Everything for the eyes….nothing for the soul.
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“The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.”
This was spoken by someone named Jesus whom you claim to follow. He seemed to believe that there is a direct link between our spiritual health and what we internalize through our eyes. Holy images for holy people, or those who aspire to holiness.
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Well my friend, you have your holymen to gaze at. Even bow befor them.My god is invisible.
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your god does not exist. He is a figment of your prejudice. Let us see what he does. He is frightened of images, not of people worshipping them, but just making them. He makes billions of people and is happy to see most of them burn in a lake of fire for eternity. Such a being, if human, would be a monster, but poor Bosco cowers before him whimpering, ‘I am saved’. Your god would not save you, why would he?
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Please believe me, on a daily basis, I look around me and am sad that everyone I see will be in hell one day. If I were god id relax the rules. id let almost everyone into heaven. I say almost.
I don’t make the rules. You idolatrous Mary worshipers just love your graven images. Our new friend good brother Steven, bless his soul, brings a new fresh reasoning for using graven images. Well, the unsaved will do and think anything….I ought to know….I was unsaved at one time.
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You are deluded. You have been unable to provide me with one single person in Scripture who says ‘I am saved’, yet you persist in this unscriptural notion. What Scripture tells us is we are saved when we meet Jesus, we continue to be saved by receiving the sacraments, and we can hope at the last to be saved, but your idea that one can be saved and never lose that salvation is profoundly unscriptural and is one of the earliest tricks of the devil. Sad you don’t know it, but then the devil uses your ignorance on a daily basis, which is why when you come here spreading lies, I give you and your master the lie.
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Bosco, you still are.
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The word saved is a new usage. It might be used as such in the NT. Ill have to check. It means….saved from the wrath of god. Find the word ….trinity. There are new words we use. You want me to finf the word saved, or do you want me to find where people say they are born again? It must be scary going to sleep at night hoping that you will be saved if you have a heart attack in the middle of the nite. If you aren’t sure youre going to heaven……guess what?
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No, I want you to give me just one example of an Apostle or NT writer saying they are saved in the way you do.
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Oh, one more thing, just because I call Mary worshipers idolaters doesn’t mean im not guilty of idolatry. Amongst idolaters I am chief. Its just that I don’t compound my idolatry by using statues to aid my spiritual walk.
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We use lamp-posts, not statues, for our spiritual walk, Bosco dear. Much easier to hold onto when we have had too many spirits.
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How even you could read that into what was written is a mystery.
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“Mary, our model of faith and charity..”
http://m.ncregister.com/blog/astagnaro/may-is-the-month-of-mary-immaculate#.WQiPECw1iBZ
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“Imagine the trouble we would get into with our mothers if we came into town after having been away and didn’t stop by their houses to say “Hello.”
jesus was in town and Mary and a some of Jesus brothers and sisters came to see him, but he wouldn’t come out of the house he was in to greet them. Im sure the Mary worshipers have some wonderful glowing reason for that snub.
“Mary, on the other hand, was with Jesus at His first miracle at Cana and at His torture and Crucifixion.”
yep, those are the two last recorded time Jesus was with Mary. far cry from the mary worshipers official story of Mary being the central figure of our salvation.
“However, Mary doesn’t reappear again in Scriptures until the Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. (Lk 22:12–13, Acts 2:1–31)
Now, why would God grace Mary with the Holy Spirit but not visit for a spell after He resurrected? That’s odd in the extreme. And, as every mother instinctually knows, “Everyone has time to visit his mother.”
http://m.ncregister.com/blog/astagnaro/may-is-the-month-of-mary-immaculate#.WQiqWlI2z5q
After Jesus resurrection, he was seen of 700 people. The scriptures are silent as to if Mary saw him. That’s because mary is just another person, not of any significance. If I were a betting man, I would bet mary saw him.
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You and God have different views. God called her ‘most blessed’ and said all men would call her blessed for ever, you say ‘she’s just another person’. So, let’s see, who do we believe, God speaking via an angel in the Scriptures, or the devil speaking via you? Not, for any really saved person, a hard one. You rage against the mother of Jesus, you rage against his church, you are in satan’s grip and your ignorance will see you in hell unless you repent. You have been told, the rest is up to you.
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Blessed are they who have not seen yet believe.
Lots of people are blessed.
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“What Scripture tells us is we are saved when we meet Jesus”
Well, I don’t know about that.I never said anyone is saved when they meet Jesus. You put a lot of words in my mouth then condemn me for them. You and all the rest, because its so foreign to you.
What I say is that one is given a new spirit from heaven, and that spirit knows Jesus. No matter how many times I say that you and others see something else. That’s expected. The religious of jesus day were enraged at everything Jesus did.
“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Power from the Holy Ghost. Those who get this power aren’t unsure of their calling and who gave them that power. its way different than being handed a cracker or doing some sacrament ritual. The religious are full to their eyeballs of crackers, and they still don know the Lord and hate those who do.
“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven
This is how it is. I tell people of heavenly things and they just cant get it.
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You clearly follow an unBiblical practice – unless, of course, you are claiming to be an Apostle, in which case I am looking forward to your proving it by performing a miracle. You could start by reading what is written rather than what you think it there, and move on to giving a reasoned reply.
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jesus said “we’, the ones given power from on high, are witnesses of Him. In order to withness to people, one has to be a witness of Christ. the spirit He gives men knows and has been with Christ, the creator of heaven and earth.
“I was blind and now I see”
This is a witness.The born again haven’t seen His body, but their new spirit knows him very well, and the more one reads, the more one experience a walk with Him. Once one is given the new spirit, one is born again, 100%. Knowledge of scripture is just icing on the cake.
How can one be a witness if one has never met Him and supped with Him? But he has sent us out as witnesses as he promised.
Too bad I cant get a fellow pilgrim to come in here and help me. I cant ask anyone from the gathering I go to because I know for a fact they don’t want to bother with religious people. I have to take 100% of the heat.
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Again, all you have to do is to show one Apostle writing as you do, can you do that? Well, I have asked you and you have not done so.
St John writes about people like you, who claimed to have special knowledge, and he condemns them. If you actually understood the Church’s book, you’d see you are the people Paul condemns in Corinth, who think they have permanent salvation, you are the people John condemns who claim they have a special revelation which is not in line with the oral and written tradition from the Apostles.
You preach that ‘other gospel’, Paul mentions, and tells us to shun. You may well be the one person here who fails to see it, but when you stand before the Judgment Seat you can never say no one tried to tell you. I have done so, and you have ignored it. God will judge.
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The unsaved just don’t get it. You and others accuse me of some special knowledge. That’s because the religious think there is some power in the bible. their costumes wave it around and kiss it. The audience goes…Ooo Ahhh, look at how holy our religion is. the costume kissed the bible.
Ive never claimed to have a special revelation or special knowledge. But what I do claim, you don’t understand and the words pass thru you. What ever knowledge I have I have passed on to you people. Then you all trample it under foot, and turn and rend me.
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I like the way that you make ‘ Ad-Hominem ‘ attack at the outset, just in case anyone points out that your postulation is totally unbiblical and a lie.
I refer to ” poorly-educated, the prejudiced and the ignorant “.
Mary was certainly a ‘ blessed woman’, but she is not God.
I have just in the last half hour read posts made by catholics, referring to their so-called sacraments as a means of communing with God. or the use of the Heretic Scapular.
Like indulgences, and the Scapular, Purgatory, and your prattlings, they are heretic and Hypocritical.
You catholics really need to stop lying about your true beliefs.
You think of mary as being more important than Jesus.
And you do indeed make sententious posturings towards mary as though she were God, and you know,…..she did not die a virgin.
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Perhaps before pointing out the mote in my eye, some attention to the plank of wood obscuring your vision might be in order. No one is lying, except you, as no Catholic has ever said Mary is more important of Jesus. Your comment is the very definition of irony.
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And your is the very definition of Hypocrisy & lies. You know perfectly well, that your catholic colleagues are always prattling on about ‘ veneration ‘ of mary. This is NOT Biblical at all.
You hypocrite, get the forest out of your eyes & hopefully you may see clearly enough to acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord for once.
Stop the pretentious & sententious attitude to others.
Stating that a person is such & such if they contradict you..
Grow up !!
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Now you muddy the waters. You said we valued Mary more than Jesus – we don’t, so where is the hypocrisy? Veneration is not the same as worship, as you must be aware. So where is the hypocrisy?
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Veneration is synonymous with word worship.
Get a Dictionary.
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Words have meanings, do look them up and find out the difference. You will be no wiser, but better informed, which is a first step.
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