The last post tried to show who Mary of Clopas was and what she told us about Jesus. It argued that an examination of her story revealed that He had an extended family, two of whom became followers and wrote Epistles, and two of whom became bishops of Jerusalem. Here, I want to explore the family circle in a little more detail. Sometimes, based on one or two passages, the impression is given that Jesus’ own family rejected him, but if we examine the Gospels in more detail, we shall see how false such an image is.
If we start with ‘Salome’, whom St Mark identifies as standing by the Cross at Golgotha, and who goes to the tomb on that first Easter morning; who is she? St Matthew calls her ‘the mother of Zebedee’s sons, whilst John calls her the sister of the mother of Jesus. Thus, Salome was the aunt of Jesus and she was also the mother of two of the disciples, James and John – who were therefore first cousins to Jesus. We know that family ran a fishing business down in Capernum and that it was thence that Jesus went after John the Baptist had been executed; this suggests Jesus knew them well enough to go to live with them. We can perhaps begin to understand why John was the ‘beloved disciple’. If, as tradition has it, he was the youngest of the Apostles, then he may well have been very close to his older cousin, who, in turn, may have treated him as he would a younger brother. It also helps explain why Salome thought she could ask for her sons to be at His right and left hands in the world to come.
Although historians have tended to treat the Apostles and Jesus as unlettered men, there is no evidence for this. Zebedee clearly ran a successful fishing business, and someone would have been required to keep track of the profits and organise the trade with Jerusalem, about eighty miles away. We are told that that young John was ‘known to the high priest’, indeed, so much so that he was able to go into the house on that first Good Friday, and to get Peter into the house too. We also know John had a house in Jerusalem to which he took the Blessed Virgin after the crucifixion.
Two sorts of explanations have been offered for this. Eusebius (Ecclesiastical History vol III, chapter 24) describes him thus: ‘John, who was both a witness and a teacher, who reclined upon the bosom of the Lord, and, being a priest, wore the sacerdotal plate.’ This, Eusebuis attributes to Polycrates, who was bishop of Ephesus at the end of the second century. It is not out of the question that John could have been a priest. Luke tells us that Mary’s cousin, Elizabeth, was a ‘daughter of Aaron’, and it might well have been that Salome was another such. John certainly seems to have had a detailed knowledge of Jerusalem and the Temple complex.
The other tradition is more prosaic and may be truer to life – which is that John was the man who dealt with the Temple complex as part of the family business. There is a tantalising mention in the apochryphal Gospel of the Nazarenes which states that John ‘often brought fish to the palace of the high priest’, thus conjuring up the image of the beloved disciple as fish-wholesaler to the Pharisees.
We often tend to think about Our Lord as an isolated figure, but the more we delve into it, the clearer it comes that His mother Mary’s family, and that of his foster-father Joseph, provided him with a typically Jewish extended family, many of whom followed their cousin into the new line of work.
31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
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His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.
” typically Jewish extended family, many of whom followed their cousin into the new line of work.”
His brothers sister and mother didn’t follow Jesus til after he was crucified and risen. Search the scriptures to see if that isn’t so.
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Yes, as predicted, you cite one passage covering one moment in his life, and you take it to apply to the whole of his life, because obviously nothing changed. Now try actually reading with the text and engaging with it. I have searched the Scriptures, and John and James were his cousins, that is, for those of you slow to get it, part of the family circle. Are you saying they were not Apostles? Are you saying salome, who was at the foot of the Cross and who was his aunt, was not a follower? You see, poor Bosco, unlike you, I read the whole the Sciptures and work on them – you simply parrot a verse and don’t, or can’t, or won’t think. |I show here and yesterday that family members were Apostles, and you do your imitation of a parrot – give me patience.
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I didn’t mention Salome. Try not to put words in my mouth. Thanks. Scripture says his brethren wernt followers. I don’t mind at all being criticized for believing what scripture says.
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But since my post was about his cousins and his aunt, what had your comments to do with the price of fish? That’s my point, you don’t address what I write, you repeat random stuff as though it had something to do with what I wrote.
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I don’t remember much being said about Jesus cousins. I thought you were mistaking cousins for brothers. My mistake.
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It is indeed your mistake. Did you know that James and John were His cousins and Salome His aunt?
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I might have heard something of that. I don’t recall it rite away because the super trivial stuff I don’t keep in the front of my mind.
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In general this was a smaller world than the faceless mega-societies we know today. So much depended on inter-personal relations and long memories of loyalties and contacts. We walk by hundreds of people in our busy streets today and care not a fig; in fact in our British culture we make every effort not to make eye contact or physical contact or speech contact unless absolutely necessary. This would have been very strange in the Judea and Samaria of Jesus’ day. When he told his disciples not to greet people on the road because they should be bent on their mission, we glide over that because we don’t care – but this would have been considered rude and very strange in Jesus’ day.
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Indeed, and thank you Nicholas. I fear our friend Bosco imagines that they were living in California.
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The above picture is a case in point to what I said earlier. In this picture the false impression is given that 3 people in the pic are all saintly and are in the know and are praying to Jesus. They never prayed to him befor, mainly because he forbid it. Its definitely catholic propaganda. Im assuming the one in white with the roman pagan halo is Mary. Whats insidious is this lady has a kind of nun outfit. It convinces the infirm of mind and character that Mary was catholic, and a nun. Mary and John were at a safe distance from the cross, because angry and brutal roman guards were at the foot of the cross. This picture gives the impression that those people knew it all and Jesus would rise and everything. That’s what one gets for belonging to a religion. Scripture says the females or lone female, Mary, went to the tomb to do something to the body, the body they expected to find. After all, they saw him die. The apostles were hold up in a house with the doors locked in fear for their life because Jesus wasn’t there to protect them and they feared the romans would come for them next. Peter, the first pope, should be somewhere wearing a big shiney robe and having people file by and kissing his big fat diamond ring, sitting on his big fat throne. Well, according to catholic cunning fables he should be. But he wasn’t.
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So, is Jesus God? Yes. Are we told to pray to God? Yes. Which part of this simple statement causes you problems? Are you saying that throughout the whole crucifixion they stood at a distance? If so, how did they hear what he said so they could record it, and how did they get the body off the Cross and deal with it? Do you actually think before typing, Bosco? Indeed, a wider question is do you think at all, or have you a script you repeat like a performing parrot?
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Are you saying that throughout the whole crucifixion they stood at a distance? If so, how did they hear what he said so they could record it,
They heard what he said. That should be good enough for you.
“and how did they get the body off the Cross and deal with it?”
“Now try actually reading with the text and engaging with it. I have searched the Scriptures”
Uh, good brother, seeing as how you have searched the scriptures and know so much more than poor stupid ol Bosco the Immaculate, why do you ask me how they go the body of Jesus.
They didn’t.
And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
Mary and John didn’t get the body, Mr Know it All.
Feel free to ask me anything else you want to know.
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No, if you read what you typed, it does not say Joseph got the body from the Cross, you made that bit up. All we know is his family were at the foot of the Cross and Joseph asked for the body – you, as usual, add from your imagination.
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My mistake.
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“Yes, as predicted, you cite one passage ”
Er eh, Matt 16.
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That one passage refers to brothers and sisters I was referring to cousins and aunts – so your point, in terms of this post was what?
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I thought you were talking about Jesus brothers, because you and other Marys refer to Jesus brothers as cousins. You guys claim jesus had no real brothers. My mistake. Sorry.
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As had the Church He founded, but then, you, who speak only English, clearly know how to read the Greek so much better than those who wrote the Scriptures. It would be funny if it was not so sad to hear you insist on things on the basis of a translation.
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Greek is an exact language. Brother means brother, cousin means cousin. Then Elizabeth was Marys sister, because coisin means sister. …according to you. According to you, nothing means what it says. I don’t mind going down in history as believing what my KJV says. We both agree on the basic plan of salvation. I just don’t believe in a queen of heaven, which all this cousin stuff is supposed to support.
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Bosco
The eight sayings of Jesus in the Gospel of St John echo the “I AM” which is the name that God told Moses was his name when he spoke to Moses from out of the Burning Bush. (Exodus 3:14
And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM, and he said, “thus you shall say to the sons of Israel , I AM has sent me to you.
John 6: 35, 48 I am the bread of life
John 8: 12, 9:5 I am the light of the world
John 8: 58 Before Abraham was, I am
John 10:9 I am the door
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd
John 11:25 I am the resurrection and the life
John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life
John 15:1 I am the true vine
All those sayings have parallels in the Old Testament and can only be fully understood if Jesus is God.
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Well thank you for those srciptures. I love them. Thanks colmar/ brother/sister.
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Brother
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Thanks for the info good brother colmar. Nice to meet you.
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“Are you saying that throughout the whole crucifixion they stood at a distance?”
Yes, that’s what im saying. You read it correctly. Good boy. Its also what scripture says;
55And many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to minister to Him. 56Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons.
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Again, you take that one moment as meaning they stood there frozen, when we know that Mary his mother and John were close enough for him to talk to – the Bible doesn’t say he shouted to them from a distance. Do try using your brain, it is why God gave it you.
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I don’t use my brain….it tends to get in the way of the holy spirit.
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But maybe the Holy Spirit uses your brain Bosco? In which case you are using your brain in conjunction with the Holy Spirit.
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If you think so good brother.
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Let us hope so
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It might have been an extended Jewish family but Jesus also said that ‘The Son of Man has no place to lay his head…’ He was not isolated in the sense of being a loner without family – but He certainly suffered the loneliness of his mission. “Followed their cousin into the new line of work”: one way to describe the transformed lives.of Jesus’ Apostles!
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40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
Digressing one verse:
And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
The centurion was against the cross when Jesus died. There goes the fable that Mary was standing at the base of the cross with light beams coming out of her hands.
Whats dangerous is, and correct me if im wrong, that catholic fable says Mary allowed Jesus to be crucified. Therefor, Mary participated in our redemption. Its goes further;…fable says Mary almost died suffer the pains of the crucifixion, there for assisting in our salvation or participating in our salvation. In other words, Mary suffered for our sins. She now is queen of heaven, coredemtrix of human kind. You cant get anymore anti Christ than that. id rather be a Satan worshiper befor the throne of god than to be accused of believing that. Any one little bit of trivia by itself is harmless. But add them up to make a co redeemer who we must go thru to get to Jesus, and is female, and we make an image of her and carry it on our shoulders and set it up on a platform and bow befor it and dress it in fine clothes and jewelry. Somebody tell me this isn’t idolatry of the worst kind. yet one can take a peep into ones local catholic roman temple and see this every day.
Hell has enlarged its boarders.
Oh, I got sidetracked. I was going to say that the accounts of the people at the crucifixion, only one mentions Salome. But the others leave the door open. It looks like Salome is the sister of Mary, and im going to go with that strong opinion. Salome is supposed to be Zebedees wife. The scriptures and the writers of the scriptures didn’t care much about who is cousin and what not. It doesn’t seem to be important.
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Thank you for sharing this. I find historical articles like this very fascinating, and it certainly helps bring to life the stories of the gospels in a way that popular teaching often doesn’t. I’d love to see more posts like this on the blog.
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Thank you, Steven. There is another one today 🙂
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We shall look forward to it.
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Good brother Chalcedon, in your next brilliant post, can you add a tour guide of the Vaticans new throne room with the ghouls all over it. If one takes a look at the whole room, one sees the bigger picture. Here….ill give you a picture of the room and you can give your thoughts;
For some reason, the Vatican doesn’t want me to copy this picture. So ill just tell you what the room looks like. …It looks like a Serpent. And in its mouth is the ghoulish Vatican throne room. Im going to bet some of you good catholics in here know this already, because you claim to know everything about your wonderful religion.
If you want to see the picture…type in…..”serpent room in the Vatican.”
Im dying to hear how godly and wonderful this is. Yall have already explained how holy looking the ghoul throne is. Cant wait for this one.
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Ok dear friends, I managed to get the picture of the serpent room onto my serpentine site. I invite one and all to come see what is inside the Vatican, your Holy Headquarters. This is no joke. I repeat….this is not a drill.
cherrybombcoutour.blogspot.com
Come in and find rest for your souls. Sign in and become a member.
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Try reading this https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Paul-VI-Audience-Hall-in-Rome-Vatican-City-look-like-a-serpent-And-what-does-this-say-about-the-intentions-of-the-Catholic-Church
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You sorta disappointed me. I thought you would give it some real thought. Anyway one looks at it, its a serpent, and that ghoulish throne is in its mouth. Of course cathols will step up to “say it aint so.” Just like one of the readers in here said that the Dragon up on the wall in the Vatican is really a furry kitten. Cathols are duty bound to deny demonic symbolism of the CC…and theres plenty of it.
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Would you say the Bible is demonic because it has serpents in it? You really have jumped the shark now.
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Yes Bosco, the great false religion that relies on deceiving everybody into thinking it’s holy and good, deliberately builds structures in its headquarters to reveal its sinister underbelly….in hopes that nobody will notice the demonic symbolism. It all makes perfect sense. It’s more probable than attributing the alleged serpent’s head appearance to pareidolia.
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I fear Bosco will confuse the final word with one of his little obsessions 😏
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If I knew what pareidola meant I would know if I should be happy or angry.
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If you has read the link I sent, you’d know – it is a particular photographic technique.
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Oh yeah, I read the link as soon as I saw it. Even without the fisheye lense it looks like a serpent. So, what is so shocking about that, given the ghoulish stage that is in its mouth?
“Oh, the godly catholic church would never have anything like a serpent room…that’s just utter nonsense.”
Yeah, rite. Don’t pay any attention to the gobblins and demons all behind the popes throne.
Im aware this is a hard pill to swallow. I learned that the giant pine cone in the Vatican originally was in a fountain or something honoring Osiris the pagan god during the time of the Caesars. The popes hold the pine cone staff honoring Osiris. Heck, there is an Obeliesk in the center of the vaticanus courtyard. Come on, the laundry list is endless. In the end, its your choice whom you will follow.
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Ah, I busted your site you put up. The picture your site uses is with a fish eye lens. So they say it doesn’t really resemble a serpent. They are liars. They have to lie. Either that or admit its true. On my site;
cherrybombcoutour.blogspot.com
I have a picture of the serpent room taken with a regular flat lens. Still looks like a serpent. really scary stuff. When I posted a pic of the Dragon in the Vaticanus Hill, only one enterprising cathol jumped up to say that it isn’t a dragon. the rest of you just dummied up. There wasn’t anything to say. Its there for all to see. Now there is a serpent throne room.” But it cant be a serpent, no, it cant be.”
Come to my plausible denial site and see the straight picture if you dare.
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I find your site a bit disturbing, and not because is disproves anything I believe. Believe conspiracy theories if you’d like, but all of the Vatican art, both the good and the strange, is no secret. All I’ve learned from your blog site is that your hatred for the Catholic Church has has plunged you into the depths of absurdity.
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Thank you good brother Steven for visiting my ad absurdum site. Sign in and become a member. Come in and kick your feet up and relax and enjoy the show….catholics in their natural habitat. Its, well, kind of a zoo, if you will. Hurry back,…im posting a picture of the Holy Father kissing John Rothschilds hand. You know, the Jewish banker Zionist who hates Christ. Yes, that Rothschild. Ill leave the light on for ya!
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When it rains it pours. I now have a picture of the Holy Father kissing the hand of one of the top illuminati bankers during a dark satanic ritual. I have it all.
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I now have a name for the illuminati banker the Holy father is hand kissing….
John Rothschild.
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Of course you do Bosco. I am sure the National Enquirer will pay you well for it.
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What do you think about the Serpent room good brother?
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Ill send the pic of the Pope kissing Rothschilds hand to enquirer rite away. In the mean time, you all, great and small, can come to my site
cherrybombcoutour.blogspot.com
and view this masterpiece, for FREE. Sign in and become a member. Sit back and relax and view the pretty little cathols in their natural habitat. See yall there!
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Great post
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In another blog, myself and a few others were listing just a few of the atrocities committed by catholic clergy, the cathols defended with all kinds of weird excuses. Like those in here defend the vaticanus snake room. After I ,Bosco the Immaculate, brought up a new catholic church abuse settlement I read about in the news yesterday, here is what one of the cathols had to say….it will sound familiar, because cathols in here say the same thing;
Cynthia ..really amusing ….
The more the persecution the more you know and are convinced the Catholic Church is True.
Satan hates the Church …..so do those that follow him.
Yes, ingenious, bravo. The more wicked the priests are and attract condemnation, the more cathols are convinced the catholic church is gods true church. You see, speaking out about the rape of kids by priests is persecution. Persecution shows how much Satan hates the CC.
That’s odd, I would assume Satan would love rape and torture of kids. Maybe Satan has changed his ways.
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I do wonder about you Bosco. You appear to be obsessed with child abuse, and to think the RCC is the only place it occurs; on the last you are wrong, and on the first, perhaps get a bit of help, it really isn’t a sign of good mental health.
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Good brother, I put a pic of the serpent room on my slithering site that was taken with a regular lens. Look at it and tell me you don’t see a difference. They look exactly the same. You and others might have known about this already….but I just found out yesterday.
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Bosco, you are getting very odd. Can we get this straight? You think that no one in the RCC Church will realise that genuises like you will spot the serpent cult, and that no one in the RCC knows about it either? I’ve never heard of it, nor have any Bishops I know. I think you may finally have gone mad.
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Id love to do a post on that if I can get a picture of the room onto the header. There is such a thing as plausible denial for almost anything. Remember the Dragon on the wall in the Vaticanus Hill? One of your true to form readers jumped up and said that “Its not a Dragon…its a furry kitten” or something like that. Plausible denial. Take the Mormons for example. Joseph Smith, their fearless leader had a bunch of wives. It is such recent history that it cant be denied. Polygamy contradicts the new testament and the laws of the US, and causes problems in general, people were pointing out that Mormons are polygamists and its part of their religion. There was no plausible denial. So what did they do? They claimed that the Mormon church doesn’t teach that anymore. But don’t look now….they still did it and still do it…to this day. So, I used to make fun of Mormons when I used to witness to them….but they had a new answer……”oh, that’s the break away renegade sect of the Mormon church, and they aren’t part of the real Mormon church….they are phoney Mormons. Well, the polygamist Mormons say that they are traditional Mormons and the new break away non polygamy sect is phoney.
My point is….that there was no denying what they do or did .
Take the Osiris Pine Cone staff of the Pope. Plausible denial is built in….”OK, so theres a pine cone on the Holy fathers bent crooked cross staff….so what. Its just a stupid pine cone. No big fat deal”
Theres a tern, which I keep forgetting, that means taking pagan symbols and turning them into Christian symbols, for the CC, that is, not for anyone else. that settles it. That ends the argument as to why the CC is top heavy in pagan symbols. So stop making a big deal about it.
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