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As we enter Holy Week, some reflections on those close to Jesus, might be in order. I begin with the question of the identity of the ‘other Mary’ in the Gospel stories of the final week of Jesus’ earthly life.
‘Miriam’, or as we Anglicise it, “Mary’ was one of the most common names in the Holy Land in the times of Christ, and it can confuse us at times. The Virgin Mary is the best known, and Mary Magdalen bids fair in our time to rival that (though not for reasons which would have pleased her), but who is this other Mary who gets mentioned at Golgotha and at the Tomb? SS Matthew, Mark and John use different designations, but scholars are agreed they are talking about the same Mary. Matthew calls her the ‘other Mary’, Mark, ‘Mary the mother of James’ and John ‘Mary the wife of Clopas’. As so often in history, this woman is defined by her husband and her children. ‘James’ is the Apostle, James the less, the first bishop of Jerusalem (to distinguish him from St James the son of Zebedee and brother of St John)) who is identified as the son of Alphaeus. St. Jerome identified Alpheus with Cleophas who, according to Hegesippus, was brother to St. Joseph (Hist. eccl., III, xi). That would have made Mary of Clopas the Virgin Mary’s sister in law. St Luke tells us that Clopas was one of those to whom the Lord appeared on the road to Emmaus. That would make one of the first men to see the Risen Christ the husband of one of the women who stood by the Cross on Golgotha – and his uncle according to the flesh, and therefore quite possibly his step-father after the death of Joseph – in other words not some obscure person. It may well be that he was the source of the story which Luke alone tells. According to Eusebius (Chapter 11) Simon (Simeon), the brother of James the less, succeeded James the Just as bishop of Jerusalem. So Mary had three sons, James the Less, Simon and Joses. We are told that the ‘brothers of the Lord’ were ‘James, Joses (or Joseph) Simon, and Judas (or Jude). If, as appears probably, Clopas looked after his sister-in-law and her son, then it is easy enough to see why the locals would have called Mary of Clopas’ children ‘brothers of the Lord’. In the fourteenth century, Russian travellers to Constantinople reported seeing the incorrupt body of Mary of Clopas in one of the many monasteries there, which may or may not spoil the medieval legend that she and Mary Magdalen went to France by ship after the Ascension. As that gets us into mad Dan Brown territory, it would be satisfying to think that the Russians were right. In fact we do not know what became of Mary of Clopas, but we can see from this short sketch that she was part of what was actually quite a close-knit family which stood with Jesus to the end – and beyond. We sometimes think of the Holy Family in terms of our own nuclear families, but it was not like that at all. Jesus had close family, at least two of whom wrote Gospels and at least two of whom were bishops of Jerusalem. But that was not all, as we shall see, other Apostles also had close family links with Jesus.
Rob said:
A book written by a Rabbi teaching at the University of Wales may be of interest to you. It claims that records exist mentioning relatives of Jesus leading the church at Jerusalem up until the second century. I loaned the book which was never returned but searching on-line I believe I have identified it ‘Messianic Judaism’ by Rabbi Professor Dan Cohn-Sherbok.
The book traces the history of Jewish Christians from the time of the apostles until out times.
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chalcedon451 said:
Many thanks, Rob.
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Bosco the Immaculate said:
The above picture illustrates why images of biblical events are dangerous and misleading, for the most part. The above pic insinuates that Jesus folowers and possibly Mary, mother of Jesus, the one with the Roman pagan sign of deity, the halo, are all around the base of the cross, looking all holy and godly. Nothing could be further from the truth. Religious liars make up these fables to justify their religions out right lies to justify their ungodly dogmas.
And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
36 And sitting down they watched him there;
37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
These vicious Roman soldiers were at the foot of the cross. But the Catholic fabls has this Mary standing at the base of the cross looking all serene and has these light beams coming out of her hands. This way those who believe the false fables have a picture to flesh out these false doctrines.
Hells mouth has been enlarged for these deceived souls who heed not the truth of scripture but pay heed to seducing spirits.
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Steven said:
Artistic portrayals of historical events aren’t necessarily meant to be visual documentaries of how the events actually happened; the intended purpose of the above picture is to portray the sorrows of the few women (and one man) who refused to abandon Jesus during his crucifixion. The artistic styles and physical features of the people, who look obviously like Western Europeans, reflects the time and place from which it was produced. I don’t know anybody who think religious art should be interpreted literally, except fundamentalists who have an axe to grind.
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Bosco the Immaculate said:
There stood by the Cross of Jesus His Mother. Let us, finally observe Mary, who stood at the foot of the Cross and beheld her Son expire.
The Martyrdom of Mary Was Never Equaled
by St. Alphonsus Liguori
There are a million more accounts like these all thru catholic literature. mary at the foot of the cross. its harmless, really. But when mixed in with Mary suffering for our sins and then her having a throne in heaven and we are suppose to pray to her in order to get to Jesus, it becomes a stumbling block. Its bars man from going straight to Christ. Its deliberate. Its not some innocent fable. Those who die expecting Mary to save them will wake up in hell. This is not a cute little sunday school story.
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chalcedon451 said:
For you, a barrier and foolishness, for Christians all over the world, a guide to coming to her Son. Oddly enough, God is less narrow than yourself and provides many ways to Him.
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colmar said:
How wonderful, the foolishness of God who has made foolish the wisdom of the world.
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colmar said:
In a strange way coming to our Lord is a forgetting the ways of the world and finding the New Creation in the midst of the world’s problems. Its viewing everything in the Light of Christ.
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Bosco the Immaculate said:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Good brother Chalcedon saith….”God is less narrow than yourself and provides many ways to Him.”
Depends on whom one wants to believe.
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chalcedon451 said:
I believe God, you believe yourself. We come via Jesus, and if you are saying there is only one way to Jesus you have to evidence that.
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Bosco the Immaculate said:
I call that splitting hairs. Each persons reason for coming to jesus is or can be a little different. But they all came to Jesus. I don’t understand this “different ways” thing. Jesus says he knocks at the door and if any man open he will sup with him. That looks like the only way I see that Jesus himself recommends. Maybe your catechism has different ways. Every false religion has its different ways. I don’t pay any attention to them.
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chalcedon451 said:
Yes, it looks that way to you because it is the way you came, but Our Lady has led more people to her Son than you have, so have a bit of humility – it is a virtue recommended by Jesus.
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Bosco the Immaculate said:
I was hijacked.
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chalcedon451 said:
By the best hijacker. Good job you weren’t travelling on United!
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Bosco the Immaculate said:
I would have took the money and got the next flight. But overshadowing that news is, rite next door to my town , a estranged husband walked into his wifes class where she taught elementary school and shot her with a 357 magnum and 2 kids which on died. This happened exactly 24 hrs ago to the minute. that’s a cannon, not a gun. Poor kids, they had to watch that. Then he shot himself rite in front of them in the classroom.
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Bosco the Immaculate said:
Searching ALL the accounts of the crucifixion, Marys entourage stood afar off from the cross. One account says by the cross, which could mean at the crucifixion but sort of near. But it doesn’t matter. All accounts have them at a distance. Roman guards were at the foot of the cross by all accounts. They fed Jesus gall, they put a sign on the cross, they stabbed him with a spear. Only a desperately false and wicked cult would contradict scripture so blatantly and only dupes would believe it, even though both accounts cant be true. the Titanic cant sink and sail into harbor.
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chalcedon451 said:
And yet she and St John were able to talk to the crucified Jesus. As I say, do try thinking. just for a change. Do you suppose he was shouting to them ‘at a distance’?
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