Interesting stuff. This is written from an ELCA perspective. The ElCA has ecumenical yearnings to be again in communion with Rome, which I can understand but do not share. Not least because parts of the Lutheran church has done a better job of preserving what we believe than almost anybody else. Still, there’s a lot to learn here, and not just for Lutherans. All of our western churches are seeing similar things. Gene Veith of Cranach did a wonderful job of excerpting Sarah Hinlicky Wilson’s article, so rather than trying to do better, I’ll simply credit him.
. . .There are 4 million Lutherans in otherwise very Hindu India and another 5.7 million Lutherans in otherwise very Muslim Indonesia. There are nearly 20 million Lutherans in Ethiopia, Tanzania, and Madagascar combined. Far more modest numbers are found in the Americas, and of course all kinds of Lutherans are spangled across Europe, from the ponderous folk churches of Scandinavia to the tiny but resilient minority churches in Slovakia, Serbia, and Romania.
But it’s another thing to see the global face of Lutheranism in person, and in Wittenberg. Every November since 2009 my German colleague Theodor Dieter and I have taught a two-week seminar titled Studying Luther in Wittenberg, which collects the “diaspora” of Lutheranism for a high-octane fellowship of study. . . .
What we encountered was an enthusiastic reception far beyond anything we’d dared to let ourselves dream. We’ve spent time at the seminar table with an Inuit pastor from Greenland who told us how she has to order a whole year’s supply of communion wine because the ice prevents imports ten months of the year. And with a Senegalese pastor who, as an observant Muslim high schooler, read through a Finnish missionary’s entire library before finally being granted access to the Bible—on the conclusion of which reading, he said to himself, “The Qur’an tells how to save yourself; the Bible tells how God saves you.” And with a third-generation Lutheran pastor from Myanmar who was ecstatic to eat sauerkraut and sausages as well as to talk theology all day. Brazilian scholars laboring to translate Luther’s works into Portuguese and a Taiwanese pastor seeing unflattering parallels between 16th-century Christian practice in Europe and 21st-century Taoist practice in China.
Luther has traveled far indeed, and the farther he goes, the warmer his reception. The Africans and Asians we’ve worked with have found in this late medieval friar’s writings on faith and grace, sin and law, left-hand and right-hand kingdoms the answers to the questions plaguing their churches, their people, and their societies. The western and northern Europeans are generally slower to warm up, a little bored with the theologian who taught the ubiquity of Christ but inadvertently became ubiquitous himself. By the end we could usually bring them around. Still, I postulate a Law of Luther Reception: there is an inverse relationship between Luther’s cultural importance and that culture’s ability to hear him.
Which brings us to the question of Luther reception in our own equally exotic, if all too familiar, United States of America.
via Is the Reformation over? Yes and no. | The Christian Century
One thing she comments on, I think is worthy of note.
And then, right at the moment exotic foreigner Lutherans hit their cultural stride, got their church presidents on the cover of Time, and eagerly started building bigger barns, the winds shifted. Whether aggravated by their own choices or obediently following the way of all mainline Protestants, the growth transmuted into a free fall and has kept on falling ever since.
That is very true for the ELCA, the Episcopal Church, and even the Roman Catholic Church. It is not nearly as true for the LCMS, there has been a decline, a pretty big one, but if one was to look at baptism and confirmation statistics (around 13 in our churches) it has pretty much reflected the birth rate, which peaked around 1960. More here. Incidentally, there is a study floating around that says the UK was happier in 1959 than at any time before or since. Connected? Maybe.
She deals with whether the reformation is over, and with Luther’s aversion to Rabbinic Judaism, although he loved the Old Testament. perhaps more than the New, and with several other things.
Her article is well worth your time.
I am grateful to the Reformers for being part of the process of exploration that has allowed us to “get back to basics”. I have reached a point where I refuse to be dogmatic on certain subjects. At the root of much of our struggle is the conflict between legalism in all its forms and the idea of living by principles in freedom.
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What you see depends upon where you stand, how long you’ve stood there and how concentrated your gaze is. What appears to a Lutheran to be a richly textured fabric probably appears opaque to a Catholic outsider. Both insiders and outsiders might see the weaknesses but the strengths are often more obvious to the insider. And yet, for all that, I still feel that a Christian picture which doesn’t include Rome is somehow incomplete however much beauty and truth it may possess.
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You know, I agree with you. With this proviso, authority tends to corrupt, even the good. And Rome presupposes a little too much authority for its own good. Goes to the Reformation, but it also applies today, which to me, at least, to have a good many of the same problems. That said, Lutheranism has the same problems, the reason I mentioned the ELCA bias here is that, to me, and I belong to an ELCA church, like the Episcopalians, I’m not sure that they understand Christianity anymore.
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I find myself forced to declare that Malcolm’s extremely evil actions against Gareth are only understood if their satanic origin is recognised.
I do realise that most in here are good & honest Christians, at the very least in desire — and so this statement is not made in any manner of hatred or spite or whatever against any among you Christians — but a wolf is nevertheless among your flock, and I urge all of you to protect your souls and your Faith from your enermy.
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Always a timely warning in general. The specific incident is over, and the accusation without substantial corroboration, which is not present, is out of order.
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Please can you explain to me how to provide corroboration of supernatural influence ?
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No, I can’t, nor seemingly, can you. And so we have he said – she said. And no decision is possible, so it is not seemly to proceed.
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What is not “seemly” is to turn a cold shoulder against suffering caused by malicious acts of direct calumny.
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Jabba – as ever, you see only one side. Malcolm has repented, no doubt your version of the Faith says that is not enough, but the Christian faith says that true repentance is enough – I’d advise you to get over it, but doubt it is in your nature. As far as Gareth is concerned it is over, and the same goes for me – if you wish to worry at it like a bone, do so at your own blog – it is still running, no?
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And NO the incident is NOT “over” — the reality of it does not occur in the abstract to-and-fro of combox interchanges, but in the genuine moral harm and spiritual sufferings that have been occasioned by a harmful individual.
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It is over on this blog. Do whatever you want elswhere.
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I no longer contribute to this website but having been alerted to these comments, once again taking place in my absence, I will simply point out that neither Jabba nor Chalcedon are speaking for me. The matter is now with Veale Wasbrough Vizards solicitors for the Diocese of Truro and my solicitor. It would be appreciated if further discussion of the matter now ceased.
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Well, NEO, the best way to answer your question may be by quoting this article by thoughtfullydetached :https://thoughtfullydetached.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/2016-the-beginning-of-the-end/
The last paragraph states: “I think either the Supernova or the End of Progress hypotheses may be true but neither promise a happy 2017. One institution which has survived the end of the Classical era, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and everything since is the Catholic Church. Whatever the future may hold it possesses the potential to soothe the savage beast and to humanise the forces which are now being unleashed. It is global in its reach and unconquerable in its determination to tend the sick, house the homeless, clothe the naked and sustain the refugee. The time may come when the ‘progressives’ who have spent so long in attempting to destroy it may be glad that they have failed as it shields them within its protecting mantle.”
Since I agree with the above, my answer would be no. Forces against the Catholic Church are many and varied and will continue.
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Maybe so, Steve. But it looks more like time for a new one, as the Catholic church schisms yet again, as it has done about every 500 years throughout the history of Christianity.
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Religions (;-D
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The Reformation is not over as long a there is a Christian soul who does not belong to the Catholic Church.
Trent is where the CC decided to circle the wagons. people were getting their hands on bibles and learning of Christs salvation, they left the false salvation offered by the pontiff at Rome. At Trent, the CC made measures to stop the hemorrhage of souls and to reverse the trend. Death to those translating and distributing bibles to the people. Cathols love to tell me the CC magnanimously gave us the bible. That’s a lie. The CC killed you in the worst way if you owned a bible. I don’t have to tell you what the CC did to Wycliff and others. The Jesuits were created to wipe out this movement away from the Church at Rome. Bergoglio is feeling out the prot world for inroads to bring them under the fold of the Pontifex maximus. After all, he is a Jesuit, and their aim is to bring the world under the Iron Fist of the Catholic Church.
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