It is very interesting that Malcolm has taken it upon himself to push his cult hero Teilhard de Chardin whilst allowing no criticism of this man’s heretcal writings and views. Now if this is what Chalcedon is going to allow at AATW there is no longer any reason to express critiques or evaluations of views in the comment boxes; for it is obvious that Malcolm wants to scrub information that reflects poorly on Teilhard and equally on himself. The following 2 things are certain:
- That his cult leader Teilhard’s orthodoxy was roundly disputed in the comment boxes of his 3 posts by him and all have been summarily disposed.
- That his response to criticism of Teilhard’s new age works were met with ad hominems, insults and crude responses which is presummably another reason why they were deleted. As to which has more weight in his reason to do this would be speculation so I will give them both equal weight.
Today’s post as well, with my two comments and links was deleted and then reposted without the comments.
Progressive liberals are well known for the same tactics. For it seems that they cannot deal with anyone who does not agree with them, praise them or gush over their infallible right thinking. They wish to change history, rewrite history or burn history so that only their narrative remains.
Unless Chalcedon puts an end to this fascist reaction, all we will have left is a one-sided view that allows no dissent. If that is what is wanted I will not even read what is written here much less respond. This is worse than fake news it is contrived propaganda that is edited to raise the writer’s esteem and to diminish any opposition to the writer’s held belief.
I think Malcolm should rename this last entry: Breaking Wind instead of Breaking Shells. This is an insult to those who participate on this blog.
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So that it is not lost on those who think the Catholic Church is OK with Teilhard let me resurrect some links for those who missed them after Malcolm deleted them:
TEILHARD DE CHARDIN
http://absoluteprimacyofchrist.org/critique-of-fr-teilhard-de-chardin-by-dr-dietrich-von-hildebrand/
https://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFTEILH.HTM
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com.es/2014/01/false-obedience-and-rehabilitation-of.html
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/Teilhard.pdf
To today’s post by Malcolm:
https://msgrfoy.com/2014/01/03/teilhard-de-chardin-arch-heretic-by-monsignor-vincent-foy/
Is your best defense of Teilhard the testimony of your housecat?
“Some of the traditions which flow into New Age are: ancient Egyptian occult practices, Cabbalism, early Christian gnosticism, Sufism, the lore of the Druids, Celtic Christianity, mediaeval alchemy, Renaissance hermeticism, Zen Buddhism, Yoga and so on.(15)”
FOOTNOTE
(15)In late 1977, Marilyn Ferguson sent a questionnaire to 210 “persons engaged in social transformation”, whom she also calls “Aquarian Conspirators”. The following is interesting: “When respondents were asked to name individuals whose ideas had influenced them, either through personal contact or through their writings, those most often named, in order of frequency, were Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, C.G. Jung, Abraham Maslow, Carl Rogers, Aldous Huxley, Robert Assagioli, and J. Krishnamurti. “Others frequently mentioned: Paul Tillich, Hermann Hesse, Alfred North Whitehead, Martin Buber, Ruth Benedict, Margaret Mead, Gregory Bateson, Tarthang Tulku, Alan Watts, Sri Aurobindo, Swami Muktananda, D.T. Suzuki, Thomas Merton, Willis Harman, Kenneth Boulding, Elise Boulding, Erich Fromm, Marshall McLuhan, Buckminster Fuller, Frederic Spiegelberg, Alfred Korzybski, Heinz von Foerster, John Lilly, Werner Erhard, Oscar Ichazo, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Joseph Chilton Pearce, Karl Pribram, Gardner Murphy, and Albert Einstein”: The Aquarian Conspiracy. Personal and Social Transformation in Our Time, Los Angeles (Tarcher) 1980, p. 50 (note 1) and p. 434. “ __ PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CULTURE, PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE, JESUS CHRIST THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE A Christian reflection on the “New Age”
Note: the first and most mentioned person of the “Aquarian Conspiritors” among the most notable influences to this New Ageism is Teilhard. I’ll gladly stick to the teachings of the Catholic Faith and not jettison Her truths for an ‘outsider” which is code for one who is outside the teachings of the Church.
All Along the Watchtower 
I am not getting further involved here but as a sign pf my disgust I have messaged Jess and revoked permission to use the banner image of the hermit church of San Giuliano on a website in which free speech is trampled underfoot.
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Indeed, if John Charmley does nothing about this, it will be the last time I will spend a moment on this site.
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I will beg you not to go. Your voice is one of the very few voices of reason to grace these pages. Even though I have no sympathies for Catholicism, you seem to have noticed that Catholicism is unraveling at the seams. The rest of the devotees in here don’t see anything wrong going on. They are under orders not to question anything.
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Jess is retired. If you want to discuss the blog, you’ll need to speak with Chalcedon.
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Thank you, but Jess is the blog owner: she is also very aware of the present dire circumstances into which her blog has fallen and I have been in conversation with her. It is against everything she stood for here. The blog banner must be removed as a clear sign that the blog owner recognizes I have ownership rights to the image.
It may be purely symbolic but I am responding to a fascistic attempt by a man who calls himself a “priest” to trample over free speech in order to parade his errors. He does not even respect his own Anglican pastoral tradition, let alone the reasonable arguments on the doctrinal position of a Church whose members he regards as mere victims in his anti-ecumenical shooting spree.
This is not the first time this man has had such a meltdown, but it is a shame that this blog should be destroyed in such a shabby manner.
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No, she is not. She gave that up while in the convent. Chalcedon is the owner, although last I knew, she is a co-admin. I agree with you that it is against what she believes, as it is with me. Malcolm should not have deleted posts, but you and Scoop pushed him pretty hard. And yes, I pretty much agree with you about Teilhard. But there is wrong on both sides here. Two wrongs still don’t make a right.
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Pushed him? Really? By pointing out a condemned philosophy? His response was not to defend the man’s teaching but to attack the messenger. Gareth never responded with an ad hominem until he was attacked by Malcolm repeatedly. And this post is my ad hominem right back at him as I did not respond in like manner in the thread.
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Not the way I read it, although possibly the way you see it. It read to me that while you guys attacked mostly the message, it spilled over to the messenger, quite quickly. Still, the whole thing came off, to me, at least, as almost all ad hominem, which is why I wasn’t to be found in the threads.
And do remember that for Malcolm, as for me, the word of Rome, is not the law, often it is correct, but not always.
And we all need to quit smoking in the powder magazine.
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Look, I opened up by merely posting links to criticisms of the writings of Teilhard and even then there was not even a single attack on the man . . . but on his ideas, writings, ideology or whatever you might want to call it. When I responded to one of his snarky comments that I was only upholding Catholic teaching he responded with his first real ad hominem which implied that it was my poor understanding of the Catholic Faith. I did not respond to that . . . but Gareth did to his credit. After that, Malcolm got on him and then Malcolm would make an entry and direct it to me though I had made no comment to him. So if you think that is tit for tat then you are not a very astute reader.
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Total misreading of the situation, in which Malcolm Uren of the Godrevy Team Ministry, in the Diocese of Truro (an Anglican minister) was first to move to ad hominems, with “As for your friend Gareth Thomas the less said the better.” In other words, my pointing out that the monitum of 1962 was still in place was not important: the fact that I am am Gareth Thomas means my views were worthless.
He has them manipulated this discussion by deleting (re-posting) and acting in a way to censor all views contrary to his own. If he cannot abide views contary to his own without censoring them, he is immature and unfit to be in a position of pastoral acre of souls.
Your equating of Scoop’s and my comments (supporting Scoop) with fascistic censorship is remarkable. What are you thinking of?
I said yesterday, I am out of here. Yes, really. When I saw what happened here today, I came back in to support Scoop. I am sickened by the way in which an Anglican “priest” who trolls the internet (I have known his game for a long time) gunning for traditional Catholics, uses his own crude censorship while at the same time saying the CDF in Rome has no right to limit the lovely free poetic heresies of people like him.
Enough. And you don’t see any of it? Shame on you.
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I for one am indebted because this whole business has opened my eyes to something I was giving a ‘benefit of the doubt’ to. I am all the wiser for it and won’t make the same mistake twice. Thank you Gareth.
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Well well, what have we here? Good brother gareth is threghtening to leave because people got censored. Will somebody pinch me…I think im dreaming.
Wasn’t it you, good brother, who told good brother Chalcedon to remove me from this site or you would never come back and wanted your posts to be deleted if I wasn’t banned? Now you are the champion of free speech? Excuse me while I die laughing.
Ill excuse you, because you are probably senile. It does come with advanced years you know.
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Say, god brother Scoop, I don’t want to doubt what you say about your comments being deleted. But that doesn’t sound like what good brother Chalcedon does. He doesn’t delete me, anymore. I don’t see him moderating you when you are Mr Catholic. He didn’t moderate Quiav the Great. You and Quiav the Great are more catholic than good brother Chalcedon. Good brother Chalcedon is a fence straddling namby pamby Koran kissing protestant loving cathol in name only. Good brother Malcolm is a real nice guy….don’t be so hard on him….thanks in advance.
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I didn’t say that Chalcedon deleted them Bosco . . . read it again. I said that Malcolm did and that Chalcedon, perhaps because of a heavy work load, did nothing about it. He could stop this if he wanted to.
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I didn’t think someone who wasn’t a moderator could delete things. I will believe you when you say your comments were deleted because you strike me as truthful. I didn’t read the post in question or the comments. Ive been busy doing more important things, like watching youtube videos about UFOs. Ill have a talk with good brother Malcolm about it.
Now, on my heavily moderated site;
cherrybombcoutour.blogspot.com
I delete nothing. Everyone is free to chew me up one side and down the other. I don’t care enough to moderate anyone.
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As Neo surmised my work commitments have kept me busy. I was working until 8 on Saturday night and needed Sunday to recuperate, before finishing a 14 hour day today. Malcolm has restored his post and I think everyone might benefit from calming down a mite. I would add that Malcolm has been a prolific contributor lately and would u=urge those who object to what he writes to write a post in response.
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C, I made my case in the comm boxes as usual. I was met with ad hominem attacks and then the entire posts were eliminated once he was exposed of having nothing to say but insults of those commenting. This is what resulted my writing today obviously. If you can smooth this over, though your workload seems to mean that you will not have much time to devote to such an endeavor, it might be worth a try. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Going to do my best!
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I’m just sorry that this whole mess had to come up while you are innundated with work. But isn’t that they way life treats us at times?
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It surely is!
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Hey, good brother Gareth, do you own that church building? If you don’t…stuff a sock in it.
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It was Gareth’s photograph and as such he owns the rights to it unless there is a policy clearly stated for those who submit their photographs or articles on the site which gives ownership rights to the blog site.
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Its a photograph of something he doesn’t own. Anyway, good brother Gareth is typically hysterical. He needs a hobby.
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One of my hobbies is standing up for what is right, Bosco. So when some idiot like me says I have had enough of the witterings of Bosco, and someone like Chalcedon says Jess wants her blog to be free of censorship, I see that is right and support it.
And when some big booted fascist is standing on your throat telling you that you can’t say what you feel you want to say, or he will delete your whole conversation and pretend that you don’t exist… Well, I suggest that is not the Anglican Tradition. His bishop should be informed.
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Amen.
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Gosh, im at a loss for words. I honor and have always honored good brother gareth and scoop for integrity. Im going to believe what they say. Im waiting to hear from good brother Malcolm. That just doesn’t sound like him.
if anyones comments should be erased its mine. Well, in this site maybe, but not a site that loves the Lord and is involved in the salvation of souls.
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Hmmmmmm, a legal question. Good brother gareth took the photo and owns legal rights. I don’t know about laws in jolly ol England. I studied to be a lawer….I got a 4 yr degree in poli sci as the pre legal degree, but I decided to go into medicine and never went on to law school. But my guess is since this site has been using the picture for so long, it has a precedence of usage, saying that good brother Gareth has allowed the site to use it without reservation or any restrictions. In short, it was given freely to this site without qualifications.
Good brother gareth can sit on it and rotate.
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I have not had the opportunity to check out the links you provide here but anything by Dietrich von Hildebrand is always worth reading – so if he is criticising de Chardin, I shall be happy to abide by what he says. The fundamental problem in our disputes on this site is this: only Catholics use the word ‘heresy’ and ‘heretic’ because only they see the Catholic Church as the guardian of Truth. For the other Christian churches, including the Church of England, the word ‘heresy’ makes no sense: ‘We are a broad Church” they say, which means believing essentially what you like (especially on topics of morality). With respect to Anglicans and others (I have dear friends who are Evangelicals), Catholics cannot believe what they like; there is Truth that flows from Christ Himself – and it is guarded by the Church’s magisterium. To slightly change the subject, I do recommend von Hildebrand’s great book, Transformation in Christ”. The older I get the more I want to know and love Christ better – and I am not likely to do that by reading the speculations of de Chardin.
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Indeed, Transformation in Christ is a great book of profound thought and insight, Francis.
Actually I had not used the word heretic in my responses to Malcolm; it was broached by Gareth. The responses from Malcolm were nothing short of insults and personal attacks and finally ending in rather crude talk to say the least.
So what did he do after he was called on these personal attacks; he deleted his posts to get rid of the evidence. It is really quite stunning that this is the behavior of somebody given the privilege to have author rights at this blog.
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“The responses from Malcolm were nothing short of insults and personal attacks and finally ending in rather crude talk to say the least. ”
Is there a chance this site was hacked into? That doesn’t sound like good brother Malcolm at all. There was/ is this lunatic named newenglandsun that darkend these pages, and was a regular on my site. he knows how to hack into sites.
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This was no hack . . . it was deliberate.
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He also deleted his earlier posts in order to remove all discussion that dissented from his own errors. He is totally out of order, and as I have said to Jess, Malcolm is destroying all that she wanted this blog to be in terms of free discussion. (This thread is witness to the fact that even Bosco is still here doing his incomprehensible thing without being banned!)
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Amen to that . . . some things don’t change but the deleting of all these posts by Malcolm which showed him up in a rather unflattering manner is new and rather disturbing. The only way I could recoup some of this was by posting the links. I suppose I might be able to pull some of the histoy of his remarks from my cache to further make the case . . . but what’s the point if nobody seems to care.
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Well, I asked good brother Malcolm about it. I wasn’t there and wasn’t involved or even around during all this and probably shouldn’t stick my big red nose into it.
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Good brother scoop, if you could recover the comments and what have you, I care. I want to see these unflattering remarks, that way I can judge for myself if offence was the intent. Plus….I love a good scandal. (;-D
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I won’t go through such trouble for you Bosco. The simplest thing is for Malcolm to take them out of the Trash and repost them. But the damage to him and his fascist leanings has already been done no matter what he does from here on.
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{ IF} …..good brother Malcolm did that, it is not in keeping to this site. I call on good brother Malcolm to bring back the comments, if not for moral reason , then for reasons of precedence. One posts here to start a conversation, not just to hear ones self talk. If good brother Malcolm has some person he thinks is helpful to him, he is welcome to talk about it. Good brother David Moniker had some mystic as a role model and got chewed out about it. That’s just how it goes. I get chewed out on a daily basis. That’s just how it goes. Personally, I don’t see how any cathol can make fun of someone for believing in a weirdo mystic…..they believe in a Bozo that calls himself the Holy father.
Cant get anymore weird than that.
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Maybe all this has inspired you to support the Anglican Diocese of Truro. Its development plan is called “Confidence in the Gospel” http://www.trurodiocese.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Diocesan-Development-Plan-May-2016.pdf
Note, it is not called confidence in new age mystcism.
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Ah, but new age is so much, um, modern.
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Something good has come of this, Gareth. Malcolm just stated on his post, along with his ad hominem that I am a bully, that he is leaving the forum.
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I frankly don’t find it a very satisfactory outcome. If he could only learn that ecumenical dialogue doesn’t mean telling adherents of another denomination that their doctrinal teaching authority is flawed, he might get his beginners badge. In the end Malcolm Uren of the team ministry of Godrevy, in the Diocese of Truro, snatches defeat from the jaws of victory and slinks off into the sunset in the way he has done time after time for the seven years I have observed his internet behaviour, simply because he cannot handle the fact that his father would’t let him follow his Catholic vocation.
It’s a great shame, but shutting down debate is not the answer. It is time he learned the behaviour patterns that get him into trouble. This blog could have benefitted from a more considerate response from a contributor. It’s future looks a bit unsteady as a result. It would be an irony if an Anglican killed the blog set up by an Anglican to encourage ecumenical dialogue, but noty entirely surprising.
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I suppose not. You know him better than I. It was the ad hominems that seemed to come from nowhere that got me. Seems like one has to treat the man with kid gloves.
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What a petty, sick little man you are, Malcolm. This, which says nothing about Gareth’s character, is simply an invasion of the man’s privacy and not only that, as you well know, he is no longer here to respond. Have you no shame?
For all your feigned apologies and words to the effect that we must forgive one another was it only for show? I suppose that is a rhetorical question. You may be believed by some here but they are obviously blind to your true character.
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I was off this blog for good. I have been told to see this. I shall be contacting my lawyer and also writing to the Bishop of Truro. The Reverend Malcolm Uren has now over-stepped the mark in a most remarkable un-Christian way, which I find quite incomprehensible.
I shall be demanding compensation for defamation and harrassment if your utterly evil suggestions of wrongdoing continue. I demand the right of reply on thsi blñog and expect John Charmley to allow that to happen. This is outrageous.
My lawyer is Jaime Cerdá in Vilajoiosa, Alicante. Please refrain from further libel or you may see this blog suspended.
Gareth Thomas
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THIS WEB PAGE WAS CACHED AND SAFEGUARDED AT 22.33 HOURS (Greenwiah mean time +1) AND WILL FORM THE BASIS OF LEGAL EVIDENCE FOR DEFAMATION.
PLEASE DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING AS THIS WILL ALSO ADD TO EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING.
The above link, designed to cause 1. pain of remembering a really stressful time, and 2. doubt among the audience of this blog as to my character, represents an action of a despicable kind which I find surprising in someone who thinks of himself as a “priest”.
His bishop – the Anglican Bishop of Truro – may find these events interesting. All of it will be arriving on his desk shortly together with a legal requirement to respond.
I’m sorry a simple conversation on a blog should come to this, through the actions of a man with motives it is difficult to comprehend.
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If your bishop is in his office in the morning, tell him to get his lawyer ready.
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I have managed to restore the blog on Pope Francis.. I have deleted Gareth’s blog
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Oh boy, I cant wait to see it. Your comments about the Holy Father would be down rite charitable compared to what I would say about him. These papists are chewing out the wrong guy. its ME they have to worry about.
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You are control freak and an utter bastard.
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Ha ha: actually the way you edited that “restored” Francis blog is really funny! Now it looks like you are the one who starts calling everyone a tosser! (Falls off chair laughing!)
Are you really in some sort of ministry? God help them…
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You never were accepted as an ordinand were you? I seem to remember that the Church of England turned you down
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Gareth didn’t you also try the RC Church? Any luck there?
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That’s quite right: the gay Bishop of Edmonton, Brian Masters, who was living with his boyfriend in a palatial house off Oxford Street, told me that I had been seen handing out condoms with the Terrence Higgins Trust during the AIDS crisis, and some people might think that was not the kind of thing that a potential candidate for ordination shoulkd be doing as it may be misconstrued. Priceless!
In my sixties, I can look back and laugh at myself quite comfortably. Can YOU? Or are you still taking yourself so seriously you have to DELETE everyone else’s views?
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“Free speech now revoked and recent history scrubbed for the sake of a cult hero”
So the title of this blog is now obsolete.
I’ve also restored the bog on my hero Fr Teilhard de Chardin.
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Where is the one which was an ad hominem against me which was published between the two that you restored? You know the one . . . you took the ad hominem from the Pierre Teilhard de Chardin post toward the end and used it as a title for your next post as if nobody would know what you were talking about. Of course I knew that the Pope Francis post was nothing but a ruse to lend support to your claim that Pope Francis is a Teilhardian. You fool no one but those who are too young to learn the ways of manipulators.
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Restored the bog, eh? Were you sitting on the bog at the time?
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Good brother Scoop, I apologize for good brother Malcolm calling you a…I don’t want to repeat the word. That was not right. maybe he wasn’t himself.
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Its exactly who he is.
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Just seen Bosco’s comment on the luvvly restored Francis post. This has now gone from nasty incompetent censorship to high comedy. All of it is quite loony and clearly the reverend Malcolm Uren is once again totally out of his depth.
Bosco, you are a genius. Totally irrelevant but a timely reminder that dictatorship on the internet is always undermined by fools.
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Good brother Gareth, I bet you are Eccles, aren’t you?
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Keep that a secret between you and me, Bosco.
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It’s a wise clown that knows his own brother, Bosco dear.
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Ha haaaaaaa, I was rite. good brother Gareth is Eccles. Ha ha haaaaaaaa, I knew figure it out one day…Ha ha haaaaa….you cant fool me forever.
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I am lost in wonder at the power of your mighty brain, Bosco.
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Youre lost at the power of anything that has a brain. Ha ha haaaaaaaaa
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Bosco: I have to admit it. I called Malcolm a tosser. His incompetent attempts to censor his own blogpost have meant that he now looks like the one who started calling everyone tossers.
Hoist by his own petulance.
Gosh, I haven’t laughed so much this year. We’re supposed to be in Lent: get a grip.
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If im not mistaken, you called me a tosser in Damiens snake pit. I thought it meant tossing pizza dough.
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On pancake day we are all tossers. Lent is a post-tossing season.
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I added a postscript to my blogpost linking to the wonderful entertainment the reverend Malcolm is providing for us here. https://wordpress.com/post/equusasinus.net/10259
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How funny. Thank you.
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I see Bosco is now calling me senile. At last he has uttered something that makes sense.
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Well, that makes two of us, Gareth.
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Scoop – I don’t want to keep this fire burning, and Malcolm has restored the post. But I am puzzled by the comments on Teilhard. You call him Malcolm’s cult leader. NOw that’s strong stuff for which, of course, there is no evidence. You may feel some people have adopted T as a cult leader, but there’s no evidence he ever saw himself as such, or that Malcolm is a member of any such cult – so the ad homs, as ever, flow both ways.
On the subject of people not being able to stand others disagreeing with them, it isn’t just the Left who resort to such tactics, and Malcolm’s reason was personal not political. On rewriting history, well, again, the Left do not have a monopoly of such tactics. I am not sure the resort to labelling individuals in this way is ever helpful – even if it relieves one’s own frustrations
I have no idea who Marilyn Ferguson was/is, or why her McCarthyist questionnaire should be given airroom – thinkers cannot be held responsible for all those who follow them – by that standard we should be severe on St Augustine, whose ideas much influenced Calvin.
As for Teilhard being outside the Church, I much have missed where he was subject to the same sentence as Lefevbre.
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Those cult remarks occurred after the ad hominems and insults hurled my way. It just so happens that this is how cultists respond to criciticsm of a leader that they regard more than just a writer.
Shutting down free speech is shutting down free speech C. Nothing more needs be said. I really don’t care if it is personal or politial it is still censorship.
It doesn’t matter who Marilyn Ferguson was/is it is only sufficient that the Vatican found her poll rather credible and interesting. How was her poll McCarthyist as she was intersted in gthering information about where the ideas came from that influenced this new ageism?
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The idea of condemning thinkers by association is so obviously MacCarthyite I am amazed you can’t see it. Let’s not forget that ghastly episode in American history – it explains much of what has happened since, which was a reaction to that sort of fascism. Fascism begets itself, and neither side in the US culture wars has clean hands.
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Well then, blame me for being MacCarthyite then as she was only gathering research in the New Age movement. If it is not germane for me or the Pontifical Council to see a correspondence between the beliefs spread by Teilhard and the strongest influences on those who were polled then disregard it. I think it is an interesting bit of information myself. MacCarthyism is long dead in this country and if there is a corresponding component to it these days it is found in the liberal progressive movement and the media that is more propoganda then fact.
Who cares if both sides don’t have clean hands over the span of a century? It is wrong whoever does it. It is not a get out of free card for what Malcolm did here.
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MacCarthyism simply migrated to the Left,alas. Free speech is hard, and few really believe in it when it means tolerating speech which contravenes their deepest beliefs.
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quite right but then remember that it was a strange time here as the cold war was heating up and their was a legitimate fear of infiltration in the government. It just went too far and finally became a form of oppression.
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This entire discussion is immature and idiotic.
Don’t like a blog post? Write your own post voicing your own understanding, this would be of true benefit to the readers of this blog. Don’t spend your energy attacking a post you disagree with. Where is the gentleness? Where is the meekness?
It was my understanding that this is an ecumenical blog where differences in opinion, belief, understanding, experience can be discussed respectfully and maturely. I see now that I have been mistaken. It is, instead, a blog for food fights and maligning the dignity of others. Some enjoy this kind of sport, but count me out.
I will come to Malcolm’s defense. He writes beautiful, poetic reflections on his experience of the divine. His words echo within my soul and probable for many other silent readers of this blog.
The purpose of a spiritual reflection is to let it reverberate within us. I believe that Malcolm “gets” this and he offers so much here. The Lord speaks to us in beauty and in truth – and in diverse ways.
Malcolm listens to the divine that shines forth in a variety of ways. Do some of you not see how he uses ALL of us as his hands and feet to spread the gospel? Does it do any of us any good to bicker and argue and let our big fat egos cloud our better judgment. We are meant for better than that. We are meant to be salt, not bitter gall, we are meant to make the world a better place. To bring peace, harmony, beauty, goodness.
I would have preferred seeing a forum where differences are discussed in charity and love; many of you have author privileges on this blog, I see, so why malign the writer of a post you disagree with? Write the best, the most beautiful, the most truthful blog post that you can. Then you will be doing the Lord’s work.
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That was the point Celia, it has not been this way before. We carried on discussions whether we agreed or disagreed and voiced our opinions without the invective, insults and ad hominems that Malcolm let fly. The final straw was his scrubbing everything that he disagreed with.
I’m glad you get something out of his writings and I think most of us do. But when he post something that is debatable he seems to take offense.
Hard to have that discussion when at the first critical analysis is met with personal attacks.
And not all blog posts here are to be the most beautiful blog posts. We discuss current events in the secular world, politics, religion, truth and problems that occur in our churches among other things. It is not a monolithic, poetic, sentimental or spritual meditation type site. It has that from time to time but that is not the whole of it. It has many dimensions. Stick around and see the diversity of the topics.
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Comment of the month, in my view. Thank you.
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“This entire discussion is immature and idiotic.”
That’ s a bit judgmental, don’t you think?
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Maybe she only saw the Dr. Jekyll side and not the Mr. Hyde. So to her it seems Malcolm is getting a thrashing for nothing.
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We can all manifest our shadow side – even you grand inquisitor scoop.
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Look, if you want to keep up the ‘dialogue’ of insults go ahead. I’ve quit sitting by idly while you do so. So if you want it to stop, you might have to make the first move since you were the first to start hurling hand grenades.
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How dare you speak for me, Mr Scoop. I see Malcolm’s faults, you think I don’t because I come to his defense. Now who is being judgmental, Gareth? Mr Scoop seems to feel free to malign my thinking and intentions as well as anyone else he disagrees with. This forum has sunk into a very dark hole where the same people feed each other’s egos.
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I’m not speaking for you Celia. It was a joke referring to the point that perhaps, since the posts were taken down, that you missed how this all went south in a hurry. Perhaps I should have used Dr. Jekyll and Mr ‘Hide’ to make the pun clear.
It has nothing to do with egos, Celia. We are tired of being the recipients of ad hominem attacks and people too sensitive to argue the issue itself. It is really quite simple. i agree that the forum has sunk into a very dark hole but when did it happen? . . . and why?
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I disagree, it has everything to do with ego.
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Everyone has an opinion and you have every right to hold to yours Celia.
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Yeah…..who you callin immature and idiotic?
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Will you restore your lenten blog posts you deleted?
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No my blog post will not be replaced on this forum and Chalcedon has kindly complied with my request to remove the image of San Giuliano hermit church. I neither want my written work or artwork on a site in which arbitrary censorship takes place. I do not any longer believe in the concept of an ecumenical blog.
I have recently been given this advice by Jabba, a fellow Catholic who once contributed here:
“I left the blog very long ago, after reading and thinking about both Mortalium Animos and Unitatis Redintegratio. The latter document authorises Bishops, and the Holy See, to allow Catholics to participate in particular Ecumenical groups or gatherings on a case-by-case basis — however, without such authorisation, the general prohibition in Mortalium Animos against such participation remains fully in force, for the reason that Catholics cannot collaborate with the propagation of such false doctrines, or blasphemies, or heresies contrary to the Faith that are all too common in the false Ecumenism that is BTW overtly condemned by both Mortalium Animos and Unitatis Redintegratio. The Watchtower blog is exactly just such a group, but contrary for example to the group at Taizé, it lacks all recognition and the necessary permissions from the competent Bishop.”
We must all take our own lessons from this fiasco, and I will folow that advice. Goodbye.
And before you say it, Bosco, yes I will try not to let the doorknob hit me on the way out. 🙂
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Thank you, and Jabba Papa, for the reminder regarding Mortalium Animos by Pope Pius XI and Unitatis Redintegratio from the Second Vatican Council. I have not looked at either for some 20 years and perhaps should make a slow and careful study of each before coming to any final decision concerning the participation in a ecumenical forum such as this. It struck a chord as I still have some vague memory of the contents of each and yet forgot all about them which is never a good idea. I think I will think and pray over both during Lent and see what conclusions I might draw from them. It seems the wisest thing that I could do at this juncture.
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I remember Jabba Papa in the old days at the Catholic Herald blog site, when there was still a comment box. He was always a doughty defender of Truth. God bless him.
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Yes he participated here as well and I missed him when he left. God bless him indeed.
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Thank’s Celia for your kind and generous post. I have been rather foolish recently and opened myself to criticism.
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We are all prone to foolishness, some of us are courageous and honest enough to admit it. I will always cherish your blog posts here.
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Sorry, I’ve come late to this, possibly because I never read any of Malcolm’s posts. Has he been muddlerating comments that he disagrees with? Not the action of a saved person, as dear Bosco would put it.
Bring back Chalcedon451.
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and with that wish, I appear 🙂
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Yay! 🙂
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I suppose I’m pushing my luck if I ask for Geoffrey to appear too?
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Never hurts to add your voice!
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No he actually removed the posts and comments altogether Eccles. Since this post he put them back up though he removed a few bits of the conversation that he didn’t like.
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Scoop, seems this post has straightened out lots while I slept. The truth usually does that.
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“The latter document authorises Bishops, and the Holy See, to allow Catholics to participate in particular Ecumenical groups or gatherings on a case-by-case basis
the general prohibition in Mortalium Animos against such participation remains fully in force, for the reason that Catholics cannot collaborate with the propagation of such false doctrines, or blasphemies, or heresies contrary to the Faith that are all too common in the false Ecumenism ”
You guys are serious, aren’t you? Do you guys really fall for this stone age madness? Forbidden to collaborate with heresies….(;-D. You guys deserve what you get, which is a whole bunch of nothing.
Better snap out of it quick…after the rapturos you are toast.
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Good comment Bosco I agree with every word.
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Being toast is actually quite good, since Jesus is the Bread of Life. However, I’m surprised to learn that a CofE cleric also believes in the Rapture.
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