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I used Kipling’s ‘epitaph to a dead statesman’ on yesterday’s post because it remains significant, but also because on this day of remembrance it would seem almost too much that it is as relevant as ever. There was a time when it was the fashion amongst military historians to criticise the late Field Marshal Montgomery for his over cautious approach to battle; this stemmed from his on experience of the Great War. There he had seen men thrown at the opposite front line as though they were pawns in a game of chess; this was something he refused to do, and I may owe my existence to his caution as my father served in the 8th Army and was duly grateful for his caution. The same reluctance to sacrifice the young was behind Neville Chamberlain’s determination to try every avenue before opting for war with Germany. How easy it is to take some moral high ground at the expense of the lives of others. My own suspicion is that few things have done more to undermine confidence in our political class than the Iraq war. A campaign begun for reasons never really explained to achieve objectives never defined, which has led, sequentially, to the great migration crisis afflicting Europe; our sins have fond us out. But who has paid the price? The dead and maimed soldiers; the dead and maimed civilians; the raped women; the refugees; the poorer communities where so many refugees find their place. Of the end of this no man can tell; but no ne thanks it will end well. The cost in blood, misery and treasure had been, and continues to be, immense. Kipling’s statesman asked what lies would serve him ‘here among mine angry bad defrauded young?’ We have seen many lies tried, but as the poem implies, there are no lies which serve. All they have done is to devalue the currency of democratic politics which depend on trust. If the people you elect seem to hold the lives of your children in such low regard, then what use are they?
This is where, for all the whining about him, Trump has a point. America pays about 4% of its GDP on defence, the UK 2% and the rest of NATO nothing like the 2% they ought. That means that Americans are paying for the Europeans to be able to pay taxes on better healthcare than most Americans enjoy; one can see why that doesn’t seem such a good deal. When, as I did this lunch-time, I hear Europeans saying that ‘American must understand’ this or that about NATO, I think they are part of the problem. Europe needs to understand that it has to help pay for its own defence; it can’t ride on Uncle Sam’s coat-tails for ever.
We have passed through a period where our rulers have thought it in our interests to ‘nation build’. It was unclear to some of us at the time whether the rest of the world actually wished to have nation states that were approximations of what we in the West had, not least at a time when Europe seemed uncertain of the value of the nation state. If ‘we the people’ have had enough of this, then it is hardly surprising.
Well put C.
This ‘nation building’ routine is really short-hand for joining in their vision of a globalist government. Nobody asked the Iraqi’s or any of the other Middle Eastern countries if they would rather have a democratic state than the one’s they seem to gravitate toward. It may be sad to us to see such countries that still seem to live in the middle ages but freedom and democracy cannot be forced on others; the people themselves need to give their own blood and treasure to overthrow despots and replace them with a system that they agree upon. We saw immediately after the euphoria of the first elections in Iraq that there was little support for it. As soon as their new armies were confronted they left their equipment, stripped off their uniforms and ran away.
Nothing wrong with helping those who want to throw off the shackles of some oppressive government . . . but truly they must do the hard work themselves. To give them a democracy as a gift is like giving a ruby to an ape who will throw it away for it is not understood as useful or valuable.
Therefore, the move of Brexit and Trump are simultaneously a refutation of this whole idea of being the saviors of the world, the nation builders and the intellectuals vision of a globalist world order where we are all one; peace at last. Sorry to say that reality then comes along to say that there won’t be peace until Christ Himself comes again. Fallen human nature is not going to magically get fixed by all this fiddling around with other cultures and all the cries about how wonderful multi-culturalism is etc. Different cultures, I’m afraid, are different cultures. You cannot mix oil and water any better in the 21st century than you could in the 1st century.
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Total agreement, Scoop. If I were an American I’d be asking when the Europeans were going to pony up for their own defence.
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. . . and perhaps pay their own dues to the UN as well. Of course, for my money and for their lack of any substantial fruits, I might not mind it if we just let it die a natural death. The humanitarian aspects can still be done without a UN. We can all enter into our own agreements [in this day of the internet and instant communications] on how to help people who are experiencing famines, disease outbreaks etc. We really don’t need it anymore . . . it is a waste of time and money.
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I’m always cautious in these times – but for all the use it is, it is hard to know why we should pay the inflated salaries of so many bureaucrats.
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It has become a world stage for every petty ideologue to gain fame and fortune. Let them share their ideas privately via email, phone or Twitter to one another. It certainly is a sea of corruption, and rich petty bureaucrats indeed.
The League of Nations had its day and it morphed into the United Nations and now that idea has run its course. We are far beyond its being a necessity for the ‘common good’ that it was intended.
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Scoop – with apologies – the phrase ‘To give them a democracy as a gift’ betrays an arrogant attitude – it isn’t our gift to give – and the next phrase, where you seem to liken the Iraqis to apes isn’t so helpful.
My own two-pence worth: I formed my own views talking to some Iraqis in early 2004. One had been kicked out of Iraq because he had been a political activist – I met him because he was training to become a mathematics teacher. He was very dismayed by the involvement of the USA and Britain. He felt that something had to be done, but that the movement was already building up inside Iraq. He knew that a solution imposed by America / Britain was almost guaranteed to make the whole situation much, much worse. This is someone who had been kicked out of the country and therefore had every reason to hate the regime and support any attempt to dislodge it.
The countries who need NATO most of all are Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Even if they were to put their entire GDP ten times over to their military they probably still wouldn’t be a match for the Russian forces. If you expect the Germans to be useful, then you have another think coming – over the last few years Germany has been far too concerned with maintaining good relations with Russia so that they can continue to get oil from them at a reasonable price.
So the defence of the Baltic states comes primarily USA with a little help from Britain, or else Russia invades.
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It was a gift Jock. We fought, we defeated Sadam and through consultation we developed a democratic system of democratic government and then defended it with our blood and treasure for a good while. If that isn’t a gift I don’t know what is. We didn’t have a magnanimous country to defeat the Brits when we won our independence . . . we had some help but it was our own blood and treasure which was spent.
It is obvious by the example of the ‘ape’ that I was speaking about the lack of value freedom or liberty is for those who do not spend their own life’s blood to win it. Would you prefer I used another animal in the example?
There is a lot more to the NATO treaties than merely the money aspect. There is also the agreement to be able to use their air and sea bases and their sworn cooperation against any invading enemy of any member. Their enemies are our enemies. I have no problem with that. But they should set aside an agreed upon amount of their own GDP to facilitate meetings and common defense systems which are usually provided to them by the US or Britain. The smaller countries will obviously not be paying anything close to the actual cost of the goods that they receive . . . but they should pay their share as small as it might be.
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Scoop – I do have a problem with Germany belonging to NATO. I agree that we taught them a lesson in 1918 and they’ve hardly bothered us since then – but I still don’t trust them.
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Well I can understand that Jock. Its hard to forget what they allowed to take place. But when I look at our world today I am having a bit more sympathy as I watch while all of Europe and the US are being led toward a New World Order that most of us don’t want. There comes a point where you can’t stop it anymore and I think the Brits with Brexit and the US with Trump took the last possible exit before we found ourselves in a situation where we are being governed by the will of others rather than our own.
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Good brother Scoop is the only person, besides myself, to have the correct answer. He says nothing will get better until the Lord comes. This is biblical as well as obvious. Good brother Chalcedon has spasms of reality, mixed with a hope that men will fix things. Jockee Baby seems to think the endeavors of humans will make things right. Either they don’t believe the bible or the words go in one ear and out the other. My good guess is that they don’t believe it. They have a form of godliness but deny the power there of. Well, you know what I always say.
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Bosco – no – I don’t think that the efforts of humans will make things right – quite the opposite.
With reference to most of what you write, though, I’d say that when I read the bible I do seem to be reading a completely different book with a completely different content from the book that you read.
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Yes Jockee Baby, im quite sure your gospel is different than mine. Hate to say it. I always have not bothered you. But you seem to be calling me to task.Ive had patience with you where I haven’t had it with the others.
No, im not upset that you have me in league with the Devil…..im used to it around here. My non religious friends put up with me rather well, even though they say im nuts.
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I’ve been busy, so a delayed response. I agree with all you say here, and yes, America grows weary of defending Europe on our dime, as I warrant does the UK. Nothing to denigrate either our or your service people here, it is after all Armistice Day and they made the world we live in.
I’ve heard this so many times in my life, “‘American must understand’” Sorry, Europe, maybe it’s time you started understanding the Anglo-Saxons who been providing for you all these long years. A couple of P.J. O’Rourke quotes come to mind.
“Each American embassy comes with two permanent features — a giant anti-American demonstration and a giant line for American visas. Most demonstrators spend half their time burning Old Glory and the other half waiting for green cards….”
I’d bet it’s about the same at UK embassies, and
“You take your Germany, France, and Spain, roll them all together and it wouldn’t give us room to park our cars. We’re the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time…
Of course, this guy should have punched me. But this was EUrope. He just smiled his shabby, superior European smile. (God, don’t these people have dentists?)”
There’s quite a bit more to that last one, a goodly bit of it NSFW. But if you’re an American, and ever read it, I’ll bet you can almost quote it from memory. And you know, much as I’m a pretty reasonable guy, that’s part of me too. I think it’s part of Donald Trump, as well.
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