Were one so inclined, one could invent a new game called ‘what did the Pope do this week to accept traditionalists?’; one would never run out of material. Yesterday Neo wrote about ‘Reformation day’, and the reaction of Pope Francis to this anniversary has provoked an out break of anger in many Catholic quarters. If one wanted to sum it up it would amount to the question: ‘what is there to celebrate about that day from the Catholic point of view?’
As Neo reminded us, it was another milestone on the sad road of Christian disunion. Although there have been many splits, perhaps the first schism was that of 431, when the Churches outside the Roman Empire who had not been informed of the Council of Ephesus which declared Our Lady the ‘Theotokos’ or ‘God-bearer’, refused to accept that decision. Soon after came the bigger schism after Chalcedon, and then those of 1054 and 1536. As any Lutheran or Anglican would tell us, their churches did not repudiate the historic teaching of the Church, they sought to clean away what the reformers considered to be accretions. As any Catholic of the Roman persuasion would tell us, the Church alone can decide what is and is not accretion, and if any individual does this he takes upon himself a fearful responsibility. Even if many agree, by what authority save their own do they reject developments of which the Church has approved? It might indeed be the case that such and such a development is not authentic, but it is the business of the Magisterium to decide that. Go down the other road and there is no telling where you will end up.
It is understandable that some Catholics should react to the Pope saying how much he wants all Christians ‘to be one’ by saying that the Church is already ‘one’. Presumably such Catholics do not agree with the conclusions of Cardinal Ratzinger’s (as he then was)ย Dominus Iesus, and perhaps prefer to regard all other Christians as not really Christians at all? That is certainly one way of proceeding, and it is one with a long history; indeed it might be argued it is one of the things which has led us to where we are. The attempt to pretend that other people who confess Christ as Lord are not really there, or don’t matter, might have seemed a tenable strategy when dealing with a contumacious monk, but by the time of Vatican II it was plain that it was not working, and that talking to other Christians was a better way forward than burning each other. No doubt some will see that as dreadfully wet and heretical, but it is the line the Church has pursued since Vatican II; which may, of course, be one of the reasons for objecting to the former and the latter. But acting as though a billion or so people calling themselves Christians are not there seemed a little myopic. Apart from anything else, if we believe what we say, and that the Catholic Church is the Church, we have everything to gain and nothing to lose by encouraging dialogue with others. I may feel this in particular because it was my own route into the Church. Had I not been engaged in such dialogue I am not sure I should ever have had occasion to study what the Church claimed for itself. The attempt to prove that was wrong did precisely the opposite – it showed me the Church was right and I was wrong. But maybe that’s just me.
The Church seems to me, as so often, to have it right. There are other people who confess Christ is Lord, and simply to dismiss them because they are no Roman Catholics is foolish – and on Christ’s principle that those who are not against him are with him, unChristian. Talking and listening are just that. There may be some who advocate syncretism, but that is not the position of the Church or the Pope. Jaw Jaw, as a very great man once said, is better than war-war. It was the fact that back in 1536 both sides took the opposite view that led us to where we are now. We can show we have learned something, or we can repeat old mistakes.
Excellent article. One thing that struck me in it is when you say, “It might indeed be the case that such and such a development is not authentic, but it is the business of the Magisterium to decide that. Go down the other road and there is no telling where you will end up.”
Not so co-incidentally, Rev. Fiene had something to say about that, as well.
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Ah, the good ole days when the end of a heresy was done and over with one fell swoop of the ax. Torquemada is my hero! God team!
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Except, of course it didn’t work ๐
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Thanks Neo – just beginning to emerge from a tsunami of activities and owe you a response to your gmail
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No problem, C. And no worries on the gmail, either. It not my best day! ๐
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One itty bitty question: do you see this time in history as either “reformation,” or “revolt?” Should be a no-brainer for most of us, yet there are those whose spiritual journey considered the former the only correct answer to the question simply because it gave them their own point of departure from which came their particular denomination. The rest of us know that Christ is not divided, nor should His body, the Church be either. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Was this a typo, C? “Were one so inclined, one could invent a new game called โwhat did the Pope do this week to accept traditionalists?โ; one would never run out of material.” Should it not been “what did the Pope do this week to DISRESPECT Traditionalists? It would then seem that indeed one would not run out of material anytime soon.
For all those nasty Traditionalists who cling to their Denzingers, Code of Canon Law, Catechisms, Teachings of Past Popes, the Saints and traditional Biblical Exegesis would surely be the laughing stock for this new ‘approach’ and constant attacks by their Pontiff and most catholics take great delight in denigrating them these days. But, the Church has weathered this scorn for 2000 years usually outside of the church the only difference now is that we scorned from within.
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I think we don’t want to be special snowflakes here- we can put up with it ๐
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Indeed . . . and I think we are. But nobody is giving up and boo-hooing. What I see is a measured opposition and a constancy with tradition that is not going to go away. Now if it went the other way . . . . the snowflakes would be melting and looking for safe places where they would not have to hear any criticisms. In fact, they’ve played the victims for centuries now and they are rather aggressive now that they have the PC wind blowing at their back. ๐
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In one of the many articles about the Holy Fathers trip to celebrate good brother Martin Luther Day, one article said that Lutherans cant take communion at catholic services and catholics cant take communion at Lutheran services.
You guys are serious aren’t you?
My sick sad religion is better than your sick sad religion……….nah nee nah nee nah nah
(;-D Man oh man, ill tell ya…….these false religions are something else. Gotta love em.
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The rank and file devotees are always the last to know. These major big false religions (all religions are false) have morphed into big businesses. Their main objective , in the beginning, was to send a many souls to hell as possible. Now, the main objective is the bottom line……..money. All their respective clergy want to live deliciously, and retire in splendor. Even the tel evengelits are businesses. Saving souls is a by product.
The CC is involved in a PR campaign to put a smiley face on its otherwise snarling wolf image. People are getting sick of Catholicism. Time to do something about it.
Hey, I got it! Lets have His Holiness bow down befor a Martin Luther statue, and, and, maybe even kiss it. That’s the ticket. That outta show the world cathicism is a nice and gentile accepting cult of personality. Aww, who cares if a few devotees get upset….they will stay catholic as they are ordered and keep dropping the nickels in the collection plate.
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I don’t agree. You seem to be very sure of the RC church. As in nearly ‘infallible’. It is not. Has never been. Christ’s life was. Perfection ended there. So for those of us, through the almost two millennium that have since passed since, to question an organized body of men on matters of faith is not wrong, it is required. If you are true to your faith and belief in Jesus Christ, become a martyr before you drive a wedge anywhere.
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Jesus said he founded a church that would endure. He changed Simon’s name to ‘Rock’ and said he founded his church on that rock. I believe Jesus and the Bible – what do you do?
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Hello Jackie. Infallibility refers to a charism of the Pope. Perhaps you are confusing it with impeccability? The Pope teaches infallibly in matters of faith and morals as a result of a promise made by our blessed Lord to St. Peter and his successors. (Matt. 16:17-19.) He has kept that promise. Impeccability refers to a faultless manner of living which is dependent on the ability of the individual to live a holy life and Christ’s mercy working upon the person who is trying to live rightly. These aren’t the same thing as you can see. The Teaching of our Church hasn’t changed in 2,000 years. We hand on what God gave us in the same way through all generations, intact and entire. “Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect.” (Matt. 5:38.) If it were not possible for men to achieve sanctity in this life, why did Jesus lay down that challenge to men? Some men and women have done exactly that by following the Lamb who was slain. As for good questions, well I’ll quote a Saint for that, one Chalcedon will enjoy hearing from: “Ten thousand difficulties do not make one doubt.” St. J.H. Newman. A good part of humility is the ability to know that one doesn’t know something. The natural thing to do is ask questions. Jesus himself told us how to come to know Him better, “seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened, ask and ye shall receive.” He is good for that. He sent the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, as he said he would and he has been leading us to all truth ever since then. I really don’t understand a mind so closed that it has no questions in it. Everyone has questions. We learn that way. But we do not question that which Christ has called us to obey. Obedience is the crown of all virtue. Jesus was obedient even unto death. He didn’t question his father’s will on that, even though his words belied the facts of our humanity- the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. He knew how much pain he still faced upon that Cross, but forward he went to meet it. Take some time soon to read his Passion and learn from it. We are being martyred in countries other than those two or three you may find represented here at this blog. Today in Nigeria and elsewhere, we Christians are dying rather than betray the Lamb who was slain and purchased us with his own blood. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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