It is sometimes said that the survival of the Catholic Church for two thousand years, despite the worst (and best) efforts of those running it (and members of it) is the best proof that the Holy Spirit guides it. To some (such as our friend Bosco) the fact that members of the Church commit crimes seems to be proof that it isn’t the real Church. Out of 12 Apostles. one betrayed the Lord, the leader of the group denied him, and most of the others ran away; it might be that in terms of percentages the modern Church does rather better than the original Apostles. In terms of the current Pope, things now seemed to have settled down into an on-going low-level guerrilla war, where those who never trusted him find in every speech a confirmation bias, and where those who hoped for a resurgence of the spirit of Vatican 2 watch in vain for the mirage to become reality. Compared to the situation the Church found itself in when the young Francis of Assisi began his ministry, we might, again, reflect that few things change. In the age of instant global communication, everyone has instant access, should they require it, to every piece of scandal in every country. The Church is also becoming better at not hiding its own scandals, so it is very easy for its critics to have an attack of the vapours and accuse it of being corrupt and riddled with homosexual priests. This is easy, appeals to those already convinced by their own prejudices it is so, and ignores the fact that there are no reliable figures on this one – estimates going from 15% to 58% prove only one thing – that no one knows. Equally, of course, no one could know how many such priests were actively breaking their vow of celibacy. Such is the obsession in some quarters with this issue, one might well be forgiven for wondering why all the good work being done by the Church is ignored?
For all the media reports on the issues which occupy the secular world, we see few on the work the Church does in the poorer parts of the world, or in war zones, or in those areas of the first world where the State is withdrawing from its old role in welfare. Anti-Catholicism is, of course, the last acceptable prejudice in the West, and it is increased by the fact that the Church is the only major body which consistently opposes the sin of abortion, and which points out the cognitive dissonance of saying that ‘all lives matter’ and then denying that babies in the womb matter. Caliban has never liked being presented with a mirror.
The Church, it must be admitted, often does itself few favours by the habitual resort of social media by some of its members who, for whatever reason, feel that criticising the Pope or the local bishops is the way to show what a good Catholic you are. But then, as I began by saying, none of these things are new, all that is new is that social media acts as a gigantic projection device cum echo chamber; that, combined with an ignorance of history, and a post-modern distrust of ‘facts’ is quite enough to keep the toxic brew bubbling away for many years.
In the meantime, as today is the feast of Our Lady of the Rosary, I shall wish all our Catholic readers a happy feast day and pray my daily Rosary for your intentions.
I can only say that Amoris laetitia, Laudato si, The Meeting Point: Course of Affective Sexual Education for Young People, the appointments of pro-homosexualists to important Vatican or diocesan positions, the collaboration of the Pope and the Vatican with the UN sustainable development goals, the celebration of Martin Luther and the Reformation, the constant berating of those who cling to their Faith [like Obama’s guns and religion remarks] et al, are not simply a mirage. They are real and not imagined. They are facts.
That some people won’t ignore these facts seems to make some Catholics uneasy and they are rather fast to accuse those who point out such scandals as showing off how Catholic they are; that they are simply being prideful. If that is so, then history will record it . . . if not, they will be the saints that like a canary in the mines, have given the faithful a warning [which might cause the loss of their lives as well, the way things are going].
I think it is a bit too soon to make a ‘judgment’ regarding their internal conscience regarding such matters. The alarmists throughout history were vilified as well . . . only now, as you have pointed out, they can also be condemned as quickly as they are able to critique those who are obviously at odds with 2000 years of teaching. Its and even playing field as far as that goes.
As for me, I ignored much of the criticism until I could no longer deny that the Barque of Peter is listing quite noticeably to the left under the present helmsman.
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I am not sure what is left wing about wanting more sustainable stewardship of the resources of God’s creation; I am conservative and I think we have tended to forget we are stewards of this planet, not its owners. It seems reasonable for the Church to take a view on this.
On the homosexual thing, I can say only that the Church cannot change its position, and that I see no sign of it happening, whoever is appointed to whatever post.
I do think the Pope comes across as quite as censorious as those he criticises, but suspect those of us not ‘blessed’ with BHO don’t compare the two.
Most of this is simply business as usual.
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A view is one thing; working in concert with programs that include contraception as part of the sustainability (i.e. population control) is quite another. The aims of the UN and the Church are quite far apart (or at least it used to be); the UN began as a place to talk over issues rather than go to war over them and has morphed to globalism and the Church was created to take souls to Christ, amend our lives, and thus to save our souls . . . not to get involved in every hair brained scheme to enslave mankind under global leadership and power.
You don’t think that staking the deck for synods, assemblies etc. are likely to have an outcome? AL shows us that it did.
I’m not so sure . . . especially as he holds the cards when it comes to bully pulpits around the globe and raises those with the same modern Jesuitical ideas that he was instilled with.
i agree that it is ‘usual business’ to tack the barque against the wind of the world, first to port and then to starboard. But when you tack to port after the barque has been tacking to the port previously is to go to the leeward (i.e. downwind) rather that its true course of windward (i.e. upwind . . . for all our landlubbers). Any sailor worth his salt can quickly see that they are off-course. Should they remain quiet?
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I see no sign that the UN is anything like a global government- if it were perhaps the people of Syria would be better off?
Contraception is something the Church cannot endorse, but it is not the only part of the UN’s sustainable development plans; we work with the world where we can.
There never was a time, or will be one, where every Catholic agrees with everything a Pope says, and we should not be too worried by that.
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I think they are getting the result that they want . . . Soros, Obama, (seemingly) the Pope and all the globalist elites relish the homogenization of cultures via immigration (forced on people if necessary). They wish to break the hold of a Christian based Europe and America to make room for a more inclusive government . . . led, of course, by the elites. It is the reason that we no longer believe our leaders of any party. They are all playing ball with the money brokers . . . who devised the globalist notion of Economic Mutual Destruction. We are already tied together by that and it is steadily becoming more feasible an enterprise than it ever was . . . short of the mighty emperors who set out to take over the world by force. We are going to give up our souls quietly I fear . . . short of a few voices crying in the wilderness of the internet.
So you don’t mind signing on to a program that has a large part of its function the reduction of human life on this planet? You would play ball with them just as our US Catholic Bishops have played ball with Catholic Charities who have from the beginning used our money to go to groups that abort, contracept and push agendas totally contrary to Church teaching. Even those of us who know their track record cannot get the word out . . . who would believe us or even more, who wants to or who cares anymore? Folks don’t believe what the Church teaches anyway . . . so we are a bunch of Baptist’s.
I should hope that we never agree with everything a Pope or bishop says. For there was never a time that we were not under threat of spawning a new anti-Pope and the Church has always had its share of hidden heretics among the hierarchy as well. Being forewarned and watchful is part of being forearmed and aware of our situation and our direction. And thanks be to God, we have the ability due to capitalism and feedom to inform ourselves via libraries, newspapers, magazines and the internet like never before. There is no reason for people to remain in ignorance unless they don’t. As to contrary accounts we must rely on the fulness of the facts we have gathered and the trust we place in the source.
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I’m really not seeing this at all. Where is this homogenization of cultures? I can’t see where it is happening. Does it differ much from the old American insistence that all immigrants became Americans?
I don’t think Europe has been Christian in any meaningful sense for a couple of generations, and it had nothing to do with immigration.
Last time I looked the money brokers were mostly pretty right-wing and not at all in favour of left-wing economics. Capitalism, and globalism, was not, last time I looked, invented by the political left; what am I missing here?
If it is, as it is, a choice of working with the UN and helping save lives, or not working with it and not saving lives, then yes, I’d rather be helping save lives and help people who are in need. Our Lord had more to say about that than he did contraception. Working with the UN isn’t the Church endorsing contraception, it is helping save lives and clothe the naked and feed the starving. That does not mean I, or the Church endorse the aspects of the UN work which runs counter to Church teaching; but it does mean we follow the example of the Good Samaritan who ignored the fact that the Jews despised him and his ilk.
Do you suppose there ever was a time when the common people were perfectly catechised?
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Homogenization in law and commerce primarily. Both grew out of their Christian roots. That is now about to change.
One would think that they would be right wing . . . but the globalists aren’t nationalists . . . they live in a wider sphere of power and privilege these days. They will sell out their countries for a little more power any day. Most of the big elite class have been liberal for a long time [having secured ways to escape taxes for themselves and their enterprises]. Wall Street has become the same. I know of no conservatives that have supported globalism . . . only the left.
The point is, are they not intentionally making things worse in order to gain control and ‘fix’ things? If the Pope thinks that this is all about clothing the naked and feeding the starving then he is more naive than I imagined.
Of course not. I’m saying that now, it is our own fault for being poorly catechised. If you have a desire to know what the Church thinks anyone can find out. All the catechisms and greatest teachings of the saints, popes and early fathers are there for the taking. Instead of being better catechised we have become attached to our sins and think, foolishly, that we can simply ignore the teachings, change the teachings or make the teachings meaningless by practices that seem to deny their existence.
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Globalism grew from capitalism and the desire to open all markets – it certainly did not grow from the political left. People say Soros is ‘leftist’ but I’ve never been clear why, as he does not want a workers’ state or egalitarianism, which are the hallmarks of the classical political left. I suspect that global capitalists are not very left wing – I don’t hear them talk much about equality of wealth or opportunity.
I don’t know anyone is deliberately making things worse – that’s close to Boscoism. Why would anyone deliberately risk revolution and their own destruction? Sometimes people just get it wrong, and our elites have done just that – left and right (last time I looked George W wasn’t a liberal, neither was Mrs Thatcher, and the latter was the author of market deregulation in the UK). It seems altogether more complex than a conspiracy by some shadowy global elite.
The hungry and naked don’t usually enquire about the political credentials of those feeding and clothing them before accepting help; the Church applies the same criteria in deciding to help those who help them.
People are neither more nor less Catholic than they were, things have always been thus, and there was never any golden age when piety and serious Catholicism were common – or if there was, it was surface dressing only I suspect.
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Thats the problem; you are using the old ‘hallmarks’ which no longer hold true. The left has found how to use certain values of Christianity, capitalism and freedom to justify greater and greater gains throughout the world. Never let a good crisis go to waste is their motto. George W wasn’t much of a conservative either . . . he sort of played both sides against the middle.
Indeed the poor don’t care where the help comes from even if the wolf is only feeding the sheep to fatten them up for the feast. The Church already has missionary people (or did) trying to spend Catholic money, time and effort to help those in need. They don’t need to join a global chorus of forced taxes and spending to do this along with an organization that operates with a loaded agenda. Why we want to play in that pile of manure only baffles the mind.
Oh I would say that we have had many tides of ebb and flow in piety and seriousness in our 2000 year history. And I would contend that today is about as bad as it has ever been. We’ll survive . . . Christ always saves the Church. But today is more relevant than any day before due simply to the number of souls that are alive in this world. Saving souls is first and foremost . . . we will always have the poor with us no matter what project the UN and Church collaborate on. No matter what the fate of poor people are . . . the term is relative to those who have more.
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Glad to see that I am not the only person that sees many of my conclusions . . . and both of us a continent apart.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/10/de-mattei-from-migratory-invasion-to.html#more
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I have, I am afraid to say, seldom read such nonsense. The current waves are to do with the situation in Syria, which no one planned. It is also, more remotely, to do with what happened in Iraq, which as I recall, an American Republican government committed us to, not a novelist. Do you really imagine Umberto eco is behind all of this? Sorry, this is Bosco-level conspiracy theorising.
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Incidentally – I hope you are safe from the hurricane?
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Yes, no problem here or at my dad’s old house on the beach in Ponce Inlet, FL. We shall get copious rainfall I expect but little else. Thanks for your concern, C.
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I am very pleased to hear it – I have been praying the Rosary today for all those in danger.
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Very pleased indeed to hear that, Scoop. They have been in my prayers, as well.
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In the Windward Islands we get your point.
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I agree with Chalcedon on Laudato Si. I’m not necessarily convinced that Climate Change is occurring or not; however, it basically boils down to “who likes clean air?” or “who likes clean water?” Well, as stewards of the earth we should strive to take care of the earth and that sentiment isn’t ( or doesn’t have to be) political.
Furthermore, on Pope Francis, I heard a comment the other day that went, “History will judge the character of a Pope, not Catholics.” I think this sentiment really spoke to me in the respect that I think it’s a sentiment that allowed me to have a neutral position of Pope Frances.
Although, I agree with Scoop in regards that Pope Francis is not clear on certain topic matters, and it appears those who desire strong clarity–like Cardinal Sarah.
My honest opinion, Pope Francis’ papacy will probably historically very small. In fact, I think in many regards, after B16, many attempted to thrust Francis onto the world stage with the charisma of St. JP II, but many have been disappointed.
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Indeed, I do as well, although I’m decidedly unconvinced about the anthropogenic portion of climate change, not to say hugely skeptical. Stewardship is exactly what we should be striving for, use it and not abuse it, and we can do much better, while still having a technological society.
On the Pope, while technically none of my business, it does affect us all, and yes, I pretty much agree with you. Very few Popes (or any other leaders) are destined for greatness, and I doubt he is one. Maybe sad, but that’s how history is.
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Theres a big fat difference between someone coming along and deciding to commit a crime and people planning to commit crimes full well knowing their comrads will protect them and that their costumes offer a ready alibi.
Theres a gigantic difference between some idiot seizing the moment to commit a crime and a crime syndicate that plans and executes crime on a daily basis.
These cathols love to say that a few of their clergy have committed crimes against children….well, that happens everywhere in all walks of life……no big deal.
Theres so man abuse victims in New York that the catholic church there,aka Cardinal Dolan, has set up a office to pay off the victims so as to keep them from going to court and dragging in the priests with them. This way the priests are free to keep feeding off the flesh of the devotees children, un molested, if you will. Its a concerted effort to traffic in children, its not random crimes. Those dirty bastards even spent 2.1 million dollars lobbying against a law that would extend the statute of limitations on prosecuting child molesters.
This is a concerted effort, not some ….. oops, did I do that?
Enjoy your religion
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As a confirmed conspiracy theorist, and someone with an obsession with homosexuality, I can see why you write as you do, but it simply exposes your ignorance. Could you tell me of any group which deals with children not hit by paedophiles?
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Calvary Chapel lake elsinore.
I guess im making it up that good brother Dolan is lobbying to stop legislation to increase the statute. I guess im lying about an office to make payouts outside of court in New York. You forgot to state what im ignorant about. Be specific if you want to inlighten me. Thanks in advance.
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Is that a major international body then? How do you know they are not, as other such bodies have been, covering things up?
As for statutes of limitation are you sure that was not more to do with limiting the claims of ambulance chasing lawyers? Or are you saying no lawyer ever behaved liked that?
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yEAH, VICTIMES SHOULD SHUT UP AND NOT SAY ANYTHING. sTUPID LAWyers, how dare them.
This is a hard one for you cathols to make go away. I don’t envy you guys. Its not one or two victims…its legions of victims, just in one little locality.Priests know that their victims don’t say anything because they are warned by the priest or scared to speak up until they are grown. The priests count on that and want to nip it in the bud by using legislation. The time of shuffling the molester from town to town is over. Social media and all that. Now its time to take the gloves off and fight these abuse victims in the legislature. The faithful cathols are resigned to their pedophile priests. Like you they make excuses or just attack those who bring it up.
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You are a little out of date. These scandals have been clear for some time and the church is making reparation. If you think no lawyers are jumping on this bandwagon, I have the title deeds to Manhattan Island which I am happy to sell you.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/07/scale-of-sexual-abuse-in-uk-universities-likened-to-savile-and-catholic-scandals – perhaps we should close all universities and schools too – perhaps we need more lawyers, Bosco?
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if we didn’t have dirt bag priests we wouldn’t need lawters. Time to ask Jesus to show himself
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So, you think we can have a world without sinners before He comes again?
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You are not missing the point and I am being clear. My point is a personal relation with Jesus is the only way. And to have that one must be born again. Open the door to him. My aim isn’t just to smear the catholic church…my aim is to show how that religion isn’t godly nor was it founded by Christ. My aim is to show that salvation isn’t in religions. My goal is to make you realize you need to go to the source for answers. The CCs claims are false. Its clergy aren’t little Christ and they aren’t men of god and the aren’t celibate. Its all a lie. Yet you trust your salvation to a house of lies. New Age, 7th Dayer, mormoms, Jehovas…..makes no difference. What is so terribly wrong with having some humility and asking Jesus to come and reveal himself to you? If he comes to you and says to stay in the graven image riddled CC, then that’s that. Don’t take my word for anything. Pray to the Lord for answers. You cant trust these pedophiles for a godly answer.. Well, I spoke too soon. The faithful cathols believe anything their child molesters tell them. I was told several times in here that the more wicked the priesthood the more it shows how it is gods true church. Well, to be honest, that’s the only answer a cathol can give with a straight face. Just like I was informed that the big Red Dragon up in the Vatican wasn’t a dragon…its a furry little kitten. Once in awhile a cathol will admit that all its symbols are taken from pagan cults, but that they are somehow Christian symbols and are good things now. Every now and then a cathol will get sick of the wickedness and leave. Their testimonies are all over the web.
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No, you simply show your intense ignorance. Jesus founded a church. He said it would last until he came again. He is not here again, so his church is still here. He nowhere said it could be replaced by a personal relationship. There is not one instance in the NT of anyone knowing Jesus and not coming to his church. My experience is just that. As I came to know him he directed me to his church. It is as simple as that. My personal relationship with Jesus means I don’t tells lies, I don’t spread slander, I don’t peddle conspiracy theories. I hope your relationship takes you that way one day. Until then, you come across as a bigoted and ignorant fellow who has no idea of how being with Jesus changes your life.
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So I come across as ignorant and a bigot eh? Well I agree on ignorant but im not exactly sure what a bigot is. If I knew what that means I would know if I should be happy or angry.
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A bigot is someone who never lets the facts get in the way of his prejudices
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Thank you for the definition. OK, im angry now. Prejudice means to prejudge something befor weighing any facts. I pride myself on not falling prey to prejudices. All of us have generalizations about things. One has to generalize because a knowledge of 100% of the parts is impossible. Take Mexican girls for example. I told myself long ago never to date or marry a Mexican girl. Well, maybe a short fling will be OK, but nothing serious. Why?………because they have ex boyfriends whos ignorance and dumbness coupled with their stupid machismo tell them that if they cant have her nobdy will have he. They very often kill their ex girlfriend and her new lover. This is a fact and ive experienced it myself. Is it the case 100% of the time? Well, no. Nothing is !00%, but its large enough to live by the rule.
If I make up my mind on a subject , its because I have prior knowledge. But I keep in mind that nothing is 100%
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Your last para indicated my definition is spot on – thanks for confirming
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Religions and politics force bigotry on otherwise sane people. Take Catholicism for example….it turns a mans otherwise stable mind into a banana smoothie. The cathol is made to believe anyone not a member of their religion is damned to hell. Now, in my not so humble opinion, one cant get any more bigoted than that.
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No, no one is made to believe anything – and the Church does not teach either that all Catholics go to heaven, or that only Catholics go there.
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so salvation for the catholic is a lottery. Some make it to the Kingdom and some don’t. Don’t have me go find ALL the quotes from you cathol fathers that say only catholics go to heaven. Im aware you’ve tried to backpeddle on that one. Close the barn door after the horse has left.
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If you read the Catechism the position is clear. Your misinterpretation of something you found on the Internet proves only one thing, your own prejudices.
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It is fitting then to post a remembrance of her:
Ave Maria gratia plena, Dominus tecum.
Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et Benedictus Fructus ventris tui, Jesus.
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A Catholic Spring.
One of the Clintons people suggested that the catholic devotees rise up and overthrow the dark aged rulers of their religion. People are sick of the way their religion treats women and divorced folks and forbidding priests to marry.
Good brother Torquemada would roll over in his grave if his beloved cult ever acted tolerant of anybody and anything.
While the angry rioting mobs are cleaning house over at the Vatican, they need to do away with the economy of images. That would be a start. But I doubt that would happen. Even if cathols toss out their leaders, I still think they love idolatry.God wouldn’t have warned us about idolaters if there was no idolatry.
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