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There are few topics more likely to get Catholics hot under the collar than the topic of this piece. Pope Francis comes in for a lot of criticism for his emphasis on God’s mercy. Many, it sometimes seem, read the parable of the Prodigal Son and think the elder son had it right – why on earth should his wastrel of a younger brother be welcomed back unconditionally? But we are, perhaps, neglecting the message of rdemption and hope it offers. There is a natural desire in us for ‘justice’ to be done. If someone has offended us, many of us find it hard simply to accept an apology and let go of our grievance; some can remember sleights from many years ago with a preciseness which we cannot bring to acts of loving kindness; but perhaps we have not had enough of those and too many sleights?
God as the Israelites came to know him had many of the attributes of the tribal gods of the tribes around them: he would deliver his people victory in battle; he would scatter their enemies; he needed appeasing with animal sacrifices; he was a jaelous God, swift to anger; he could be bargained with and his wrath appeased by sacrifices and by sharp reasoning. The Israelites knew there was One God, and they knew His Law, but they saw Him as the Lord God Mighty in battle who resembled a wise but irascible tribal leader. But as the fuller revelation we got from Our Lord showed, this was an imperfect understanding. Some, now, as then, go to the other extreme and almost see no need for repentance, coming close to, or even embracing, universalism. BUt, alas, not all are saved. Not because they cannot be saved,. but because they elect not to be; God loves us so much that, like any good parent, he does not insist we love him back. A broken and a contrite heart he will not reject; but a proud and haughty spirit will reject him.
The key, surely, is in the revolutionary notion that ‘God is love’? Note, we are not told that love is one of his many attributes, or that it is a part of him, or that it is something he can do or not do; it is his very essence. The Trinity is love, it is sustained by a love so overwhelming that it spilled out intop the creation of all that there is. Can we conceive of that? Not really. But God is good, he knows his children, and so the Word Incarnate taught us that God is the Father – the Father we see in the prodigal, who dioscerns the secrets of our hearts, who desires only that we turn from sin and return his love. But so damaged and broken are we by sin and its effects that we complicate this. Which part of ‘Repent and believe’ do we not understand? Which of us would turn to a child who was sorry and shout at him or her and insist that they did a period of penance before we would believe them? Of course, if they showed their contrition with some act of goodness and kindness to us or to others, we should rejoice, but we would not turn our child from our door if they repented. So nor will God. None of this exempts us from obeying his precepts, or from needing to be reconciled when we fall away – but it gives s the hope that the Resurrection brings – that if we will but return his love then all will be well, and all manner of things shall be well.
I do think the pro-FrancisMercy crowd is taking liberties with the parable of the Prodigal Son. After all, the son in question, returned to the Father with his tail between his legs willing to be a servant of all rather thanbe served as he was accustomed formerly. His humility brought him back to His father by his own free will. God may be love by he does not compel anyone to love Him back. To love Him is to serve Him with all our hearts, mind and soul. This was the state of the prodigal: and I doubt that this can be applied to the married and divorced receiving communion. They have set up a boundary that they are not willing to cross . . . and Christ’s words remain; and what does Pope Francis not understand about the commandment: “Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery.”???
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On the Prodigal, we have to remember that the father was not aware of anything at the point he saw his son other than that he had returned. He would, I think, it is fair to say, have divined that he had repented. The elder brother lacked the generosity of spirit to realise that that was enough.
On the Pope and AL, I think his view is that adultery’ is best judged by those close enough to those concerned to know the circumstance. Whilst true, the way it is being expressed gives the unfortunate impression that he is really saying ‘anything goes.’ If that is not the case it would have been helpful for him to have clarified matters.
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If it is a parable of God the Father then the Father knew all things only too well.
With the statements of Cd. Schoenborn and with the release of the letter to the Argentinian bishops there is no doubt as to the Kasperite meaning of AL and the complicity of the Pope in tearing down the understanding of 2000 years of former Popes and theologians; and lest I forget, saints of the Catholic Church. This is not mercy it is a travesty against all those who served God for 2000 years or else the Church has never gotten it right until Pope Francis the Merciful took charge.
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My big question is;
How does the costumed holyman know if the person stepping up to get the communion wafer is divorced or remarried? Unless he knows that person. So, divorced or remarried can go to the next town where they aren’t known and get communion all day long.
Anyway, why does the CC think it has the power to withhold god from people?
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Do you recall what St Paul said about those who took communion unworthily?
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Yeah I remember what he said. I don’t believe being remarried makes one to take communion unworthily. How about being married to the same sex and getting communion:? I understand two nuns over there in Italy got married but they want to keep going to catholic services.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5b06914d-06fd-3115-a456-54a3b1a21084/italy%3A-former-nuns-tie-the.html
Is the CC going to have mercy on these people or not?
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Which bit of what Jesus said about being married and forbidding divorce is obscure to you? You claim to believe in Jesus, and yet when it comes to what he said about this one, you seem not to believe a dang word. No one is stopping anyone going to church, but if you are divorced and remarry and don’t get your previous marriage annulled, you can’t take communion worthily. You may know Scripture by heart, but it does not seem as though you understand it at all. You seem to think we have the choice of accepting the bits we like and rejecting the rest.
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annulled is just some paperwork done by some men in an office.
Jesus said that the partner who cheats or leaves the marriage cant get married again. But the innocent partner is free to marry.
I believe your definition of taking communion unworthily is in error. Im going to report you to the Vatican Court of Canon Law.
Taking communion for the wrong reason is unworthily. For show or because its going to save you or indifference is unworthily.
By your, or your churches standard, you yourself and everyone takes communion unworthily. You are a liar and a thief and a adulterous murderer. If you’ve broken one commandment you’ve broken them all, yet you think you are taking communion worthily, and so do the evil priests who do it for show to impress the faithful. This is part of the towering hypocrisy and free flowing evil that is part and parcel of the catholic religion. You make an unfortunate divorced person feel that god doesn’t want them. You know what….im glad. People deserve what they get for belonging to and believing that wicked religion. Anyone is free to walk out of it. My girlfriend did. She had enough of that phoney baloney and never gave it a second though.
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You seem unaware of the fact that for the sins we usually commit we have confession and absolution. Jesus is quite clear on divorce. But if the original marriage was not valid, it was no marriage to begin with.
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The catholic religion would be hysterical if it wasn’t for the fact it sends peple to hell with it. You guys and your valid business. Other religions priests and rituals aren’t valid, according to the CC. Catch words, in hopes of keeping the faithful locked in…..of course they want to be valid….who doesn’t.?
Valid….invalid….Lord have mercy.
Tell the judge the marriage was invalid when he splits the property down the middle.
Im aware you cathols go to confession, but I never cared enough about it to give it any thought. Im shocked to hear that divorce isn’t forgiven inside the box. Well, what do you want from a phoney baloney religion.
Jesus stands at your door and knocks. His burden is light and his yoke is easy.
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You say you know Jesus forbids divorce and you say you are shocked his church agrees with him. Perhaps you need to think before putting finger to keyboard?
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What sins aren’t forgiven in the box? I thought one is supposed to confess all sins to the priest and all is forgiven. Don’t tell me theres a catch. Well, what do you want from a religion.
Jesus stands at the door and knocks. hes ready to forgive all your sins.
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All sins are forgiven.
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A brave piece, C. Grace always attracts enemies: the human heart is unwilling to extend forgiveness to others and at times to itself. The spiritual forces arrayed against grace have two objectives:
A) Prevent those who have not accepted the Gospel from accepting it.
B) Make those who have accepted the Gospel ineffective in their Christian walk.
Grace brings freedom, as you rightly argue, and as Jess often used to say. We cannot really love God if we live in fear of Him:His forgiveness is what opens the door for a real relationship with Him.
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Oh, by the way, there is a little problem with your religions annulment program. You say I don’t believe one dang word of Jesus…..neither does your Roman State run Religion. Once you sober up and take a look at scripture you will find this little gem:…..”what god has joind, let no man put asunder.” Yet you “Christian catholics line up to have some man in a fish hat put asunder your marriage that was joined by God. All that rigamarole just so they can eat a Isis Horus and Seth cracker.
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No, the issue is whether the original marriage really was a real one.
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By the way, C, are you putting together a post today, or would you like me to do one ad hoc?
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If you have one more or less to hand, that would be useful
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Okidoki.
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Many thanks
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I’ve uploaded it now.
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Thank you
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Real marriage. You guys are funny. Pay some priest to draw up a document saying the marriage wasn’t real and viola, you can now receive god. You know, when I was unsaved, this stuff might have made sense to me. I cant say for sure, because I never had to deal with it. But looking back, all this legalist religion stuff would have turned me off of it. Im surprised grown sensible men believe this stuff. God is not something one goes into an office and applies for. ….Uh, ill take the medium range forgiveness plan…im running alittle short on cash this month. Ive got this coupon for 10% off an annulment for this week. Boy, I cant wait to take communion again…..what if I get hit by a bus befor I get god dished out to me/ Uh, could you please put a rush order on that annulment? Thanks.
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Again, the church Jesus founded agrees with Jesus, and the man who says he knows him seems confused.
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Jesus is plain…he wants people to make the marriage work. Well, like what is happening now, the faithful cathols are having second thoughts about how their religion is run. The persecution of divorced is even souring in the mouths of the devotees. Maybe I pray it will drive some cathols to seek Jesus himself.
Now here is what im thinking;……I believe Jesus meant his rules for being divorced were meant for the saved. You unsaved can make of it anything you like. That don’t matter. If one dies unsaved, well, what was it all worth? Wake up in hell. Your rules and regulations didn’t do you ant good in the lake of fire.
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Jesus is clear. He is talking to the Jews, not the ‘saved’. If you could understand as well as repeat the Bible, you would make progress in the race St Paul describes.
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The first Christians were jews. When Paul tells people not to go to court befor the unbelievers, he was talking to the saved. But, the unsaved think they are gods children, why because their leaders tell them they are. But there is no confusion amongst the saved. the unsaved run to and fro with philosophies and things to do to please god. The realm of religions…..is to make the unsaved feel Ok with god. People honestly looking for god. They fall prey to religions. Then they are saddled with laws and unending rituals and confusion. Well, that’s sad. most people are going down, and Jesus was the one who told us that. Look around you. Everyone you see is going to go down. That’s just the sad fact.
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And that, Bosco, is where you are simply wrong. We are all God’s children, he loves us all. Jesus came to save all who would turn to him, not just you and a few others who feel they are ‘saved’. That is why He created a Church to help bring people to him, rather than just descending on their consciousness and saying ‘you’re saved’.
Jesus did not say most were going to go down, he was warning us that that would be the case if we did not reform. Did your parents never tell you terrible things would happen if you were naughty? Did you really think they would carry out those threats?
You have a very egotistical understanding of God – which is why we need to receive him as a child would. You have invented a God in your own image and in worshipping him, you worship only yourself – which is sad.
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Jesus said liars speak from THEIR Father the Devil.
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So why lie, Bosco?
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Jesus did not say most were going to go down,
13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.…
Jesus said MANY enter through it. He didn’t qualify that with a maybe or IF. He confirms that with only a few find the narrow gate. Im sure you can find a way to reverse that. Just like the graven images yall bow down to. You got a jolly good reason why yall do that. Nothing surprises me now..
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That was a warning to those who would not come to him. Unless, of course, you believe that most cannot do that.
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Did your parents never tell you terrible things would happen if you were naughty? Did you really think they would carry out those threats?
Yes
If you would be so kind as to remind me where Jesus said most people will go down IF they don’t get saved. Thanks in advance. Jesus said it is the will of the Father that all be saved. But the road to salvation is narrow, and few be there on.
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